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    Good on ya Mal, Causes some head scratching setting up the frames doesnt it. Looks great with the upside down shots, I see you've even moved some of the furniture in too. Those curved beams are they the deck or something else, just trying to get a feel for the depth of hull
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    Looking good! Must be exciting to finally see the shape in 3D!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Good on ya Mal, Causes some head scratching setting up the frames doesnt it. Looks great with the upside down shots, I see you've even moved some of the furniture in too. Those curved beams are they the deck or something else, just trying to get a feel for the depth of hull
    Andrew
    Thanks Andrew. Took me a while of adjusting, checking, readjusting and cursing but I'm happy with the result. By moving the furniture in I assume you mean the galley, the front and back were on the frame, the building guide says to screw on the front to stiffen it up which worked out well.

    One of the things I like about this design, and plans, is that a lot of the supports for the interior fitout are pre made on the frames. You will see on the early frames supports for the berth, seats and a bookcase on number 6. I admit I don't have a lot of experience to draw on, but I'm sure my accuracy on a flat properly marked out floor rather than the curves inside a hull have made the fitout preparation I have done extremely easier.

    The curves from frame 7 are the start of the cockpit / seat tops. Between 7 and 8 in the centre is a locker and the ply on top of the curve becomes the seat top and runs all the way through to the transom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trango View Post
    Looking good! Must be exciting to finally see the shape in 3D!

    /Fredrik
    Yes Fredrik, it was great to stand back and finally see the shape. Was a bit scary how wide it is!!
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Bookcase !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................... Holy snappin timbers, Batman next you'll be telling me theres a Jason rocker recliner as well, all in 23 ft

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    What do you do today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sector View Post
    What do you do today?
    I had a little break after the frames were up, had to measure and order more wood for the chines which has now arrived. I also ordered more Oregon and made the boom and gaff main parts and got hardwood for the jaws. I also ordered Oregon to make the mast top and bottom pieces and had a 6500mm long marine alloy tube for the main middle section of the mast delivered. Photo's to follow soon but a lot slower than the frames.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    good on ya Mal, I thought we'd lost ya. It does you good to have a spell every now and then, you've done a lot of work. Sometimes all you think about is boat this and boat that - makes you want run screaming

    Good to hear from you
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    good on ya Mal, I thought we'd lost ya. It does you good to have a spell every now and then, you've done a lot of work. Sometimes all you think about is boat this and boat that - makes you want run screaming

    Good to hear from you
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    No such luck Andrew, but I have been watching your build. Very tidy and impressive.

    Didn't order any wood in advance like I have been, and had a little bit of a panic attack about the chines. I have to laminate up the pieces to get 34 pieces that are nearly 8m long each and haven't even started! I'm a bit worried about making sure the sections are all fair and the curves nice and smooth so I don't end up with lumps all over the finished hull. The build guide says spend time getting it right as it will show if you don't, which scared the you know what out of me.

    Decided to do a couple of small jobs that are relatively quick making the boom and gaff, and mast (with mast top which is finished!) to get my confidence back and have a chance to finish parts so that I can see progress. I've already made the forward hatch and I really enjoyed the process and end result. I must admit I'm a bit daunted about getting the chines right and the hull planked.
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Dunno if I need to say this or not, but use the best bits (no knots or grain runout) for the most curvaceous chines. When you laminate ( scarf ?? - its pretty easy ) choose the bits of wood with the most even bend characteristics.
    Perhaps start on the easy ones and ease yourself into it, you'll do ok

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    Thanks for the pep talk. Each chine is laminated from three pieces in place, and then shaped/sanded to take the hull curve each side of the chine. The ones in between the chines are two lots of two pieces each which should be much easier as they just need to follow the curve of the sawn frames the are notched into.

    I'm sure it will be like the frames, okay once you start you get into the groove but I guarantee I will be back for more advice!

    Mal
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    I've started on the mast, main part is 100mm diameter 3mm wall marine alloy tube 6500mm long. Extra Oregon is added top and bottom - Top 100mm square and bottom 120mm square hollow boxes laminated from pieces. Overall length is 9800mm.

    Extra supports inside where rigging is attached (top piece), pivot for mast tabernacle (bottom) and plugs top and bottom. Then shaped with the plane to cut down the weight.

    Base, with "legs" of boom jaws support platform:



    The top with the platform sitting in place:



    Then on to the boom (4250mm long) and gaff (3300mm long) plus jaws in both cases.



    Made some boom jaws from spotted gum.




    Dry fit on the boom:



    Still progressing.
    Last edited by Quest; 07-11-2017 at 08:17 PM.
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    You have been busy. When did you take a break - on tuesday afternoon? Well done Mal

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    Almost finished the mast, boom and gaff including jaws. Just a few more bits to add including some leather and they will be done.

    Couldn't put it off any longer, started on the chines. Found the shortest one in a position that no one will see, tumblehome (?) stringer. I'm about to go out to the shed to pull off the clamps to see if it springs off and hits me in the head...

    Last edited by Quest; 07-11-2017 at 08:18 PM.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Another one of my favorite Welsford designs.I'm really enjoying this thread and look forward to following it closely over the winter months. I wish you every success with her building!


    Cheers!



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    Well done Mal it looks fair from here although I reckon you could've done with one or two more clamps!!!!!! Does that get extended forward any more? I assume we're looking at the first chine down from the sheer ? I see the remains of your celebratory cake on the floor. Could we have a shot from forward looking aft along that chine please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan View Post
    Another one of my favorite Welsford designs.I'm really enjoying this thread and look forward to following it closely over the winter months. I wish you every success with her building!


    Cheers!



    Peter
    Peter,
    Thank you for the kind words, it will probably not move as quickly as it did with the frames.

    Andrew,
    One of these threads said you can never have too many clamps. I've gone out for some photos as directed!

    This what I have been up to while hiding from the chines, the bits standing up are the top and bottom of the mast:



    This is the finished (almost) boom with jaws. 4250mm long plus a bit for the jaws.



    This is with the clamps off. This is an extra stringer between the full length top and middle one that only goes from the end of the cabin to the transom. The "top" part of the hull (when it is right way up) has no curve from this stringer to the top one, and the top actually finishes up being inside the curve of the hull further down. I'm sure there is a nautical term I am supposed to know for all this, feel free to educate me! I still have to fair them to match the curve of the hull, and trim some from the sides of the frames which will be in the way off the hull layers.



    For Andrew looking along the side to the transom:



    From above



    Where it meets the transom
    Last edited by Quest; 07-11-2017 at 08:21 PM.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    Getting there. Made up a jig from scrap to cut the scarf joints.



    Epoxied the first three on the first side all at once, will not do that again.

    End result from the first three:









    For the second side I have decided to change tactics. Seemed much quicker adjusting the cut outs in the frames, but I have the first ones to measure off to see how much to take off. Decided to epoxy the lowest one on alone first, making sure it follows the marks on the frame. The other two will then be dropped in together on top over the day or two when I get the chance.

    From the front with the second side epoxied and clamped in place:
    Last edited by Quest; 07-11-2017 at 08:23 PM.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Finished the second one, just waiting for the epoxy to dry.

    Last edited by Quest; 07-11-2017 at 08:28 PM.
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    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Looking good!

    Not very far from planking now??

    /FredrikFredrik

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    Quote Originally Posted by trango View Post
    Looking good!

    Not very far from planking now??

    /FredrikFredrik
    I don't know about that. There are four main stringers (two each side) plus 8 (4 each side in between) to go before the they are done. Then I have to fair it all up and get the wood. I think it will take me a while yet!
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    'Not sure how I missed this thread but I'm looking forward to sitting down and reading through it after dinner!! Looks very interesting indeed!!
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    Larks,
    And you are close enough to Brisbane (some times) for consultation!
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    I finally had a chance to read through the thread, I'd actually been looking out for it a while ago so I really don't know how I missed it. But wow Mal, what an amazing and interesting build and what a great job you are doing!!!.

    And your documentation of it is terrific, I know how tedious it can be downloading pics on a regular basis but it really is well worth the effort and you'll be surprised what others will get from it who may never even comment on the thread.

    Re your timber suppliers, Lazarides? I've not dealt with them before, are you getting all of your hoop pine and maple from them? How are they for price and quality? You seem to have some good timber in there (from what can be seen) but have you had to sort through their stocks to get what you want or is it all pretty good standard?

    This is going to be a great build to watch as you progress!!
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    Larks,
    Thank you, I have been looking at lots of threads including yours before starting (I built the forward hatch first, don't ask) and the ability to look at photos from different angles and with different ideas certainly helps. I found going through the Charlie Wipple diaries on the JW site and comparing to the plans helped heaps with understanding exactly what I was looking at. Posting photos can be a pain, but if someone else can use them in a future Sundowner build then that will make it worthwhile. It also helps me remember how far it has come, and like the Minde thread there is always just the joy of looking at wooden boats (or my cult as my son calls it).

    Lazarides have been excellent. I rang them a few times with inquiries before I started buying and they were always helpful. They provide wood to wood turners and other specialists, so I am probably paying at the top of the market. But, they were not much different to others I checked, and because I was going to purchase in small lots along the way (space and spreading the cost) they also had the advantage that I drive nearly past it each day to and from work. I don't have all the equipment (thicknesser, band saw etc) so I end up buying a lot of finished wood. Just a matter of order the wood, couple of days later collect it on the way home. So far they have always supplied more than they quoted for, which is nice.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

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    Hi Mal, and thanks to Greg for drawing attention to your gracious thread and fine project! Good luck with it and I look forward very much to dropping in for a look!

    Rick

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    Great progress.

    How much adjustment do the notches take to get the battens to sit fair?

    Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    Great progress.

    How much adjustment do the notches take to get the battens to sit fair?

    Ed
    How much adjustment? Probably much more than I did! They took a bit, especially up the front where the curve into the stem is large. But from about frame 4 or 5 to the transom they were not too bad. At least one frame on each stringer I had to cut out a piece of the frame and wedge it to allow it to sit fairish along the length in the notch.

    But the stringers are laminated in place from three pieces so need further shaping once they are all on to take the curve of each of the chines, especially the stinger where the two chines meet. Quite a bit to come off to get the angle. I will take a few photos shortly to show what I mean. One side of the chine stinger is done, but the other side one will have to wait a week at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Hi Mal, and thanks to Greg for drawing attention to your gracious thread and fine project! Good luck with it and I look forward very much to dropping in for a look!

    Rick
    Thanks, I'll let you know when it is time for the torture board to come out!
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    Thanks! That'd be great! That way I'll know when not to drop in!

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    Geez Mal you sure build confidence pretty quick, you went from your practice stringer straight onto the most crucial one on the boat (aesthetically IMO) loving all the pics
    Good onya

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    Hi Mal,

    I'm building a Welsford designed Scamp, much smalller than your boat, same designer. I'm hugely impressed at the rate you're going with your build. I'm poodling along and the weeks seem to slip past without having much to show for the effort.

    Top work mate,

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Geez Mal you sure build confidence pretty quick, you went from your practice stringer straight onto the most crucial one on the boat (aesthetically IMO) loving all the pics
    Good onya
    Most crucial one? Bloody hell Andrew, why didn't you tell me to do it last. Now that you point it out I realise I should have worked from the top (while upside down) which will be underwater as well. Too late now.

    Middle (chine where the two curves meet) is done on one side and started on the other. Doesn't really show up well in photos so will wait til the three main ones are done to post one.

    Bruce,
    Welcome. I built a Welsford tender behind first before which took me a while. It has started with a rush but is slowing down now with the stringers and then planking to come. The Scamp has quite a following, post a few photos on a thread and give us all a look so far.

    Mal
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    spose you can use it for a step-up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post

    Bruce,
    Welcome. I built a Welsford tender behind first before which took me a while. It has started with a rush but is slowing down now with the stringers and then planking to come. The Scamp has quite a following, post a few photos on a thread and give us all a look so far.

    Mal
    Hi Mal,

    I should have some show-and-tell in about a week. I'll post some pics soon. Tell me a little bit about the Tender Behind. I was thinking of making one when I had dreams of a bigger cruising yacht but I won't need anything for the scamp. Pull down the sail, break out the oars and the cruiser is the tender Did you have a sail on yours? If so how did it go?

    Cheers,

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