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    Really nice Mal!

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    Hey Mal-- I hadn't dropped in for a long while, so lots of progress made! Regarding the engine, I could have sworn the recommendation was to install it before permanently affixing the transom ... or did I miss something along the way?

    She's looking great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoMan View Post
    Hey Mal-- I hadn't dropped in for a long while, so lots of progress made! Regarding the engine, I could have sworn the recommendation was to install it before permanently affixing the transom ... or did I miss something along the way?

    She's looking great.

    --Mike
    That question had occurred to me as well -- but I didn't want to say anything. Hoisting the iron sail into place will be much trickier now that the transom and cabin are pretty much finished.

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    Hi Mike and Bill,
    It probably would have been easier to put the engine in and build around it, that is what Charlie did on the first one. I am looking at using a 14HP Beta, which is about 120kg from memory. I have put the engine supports in and am confident I can get the engine into place through the cockpit to cabin access. I have put in the fuel tank and exhaust line (which is under the cockpit). It probably will be more tricky, but I can hoist and lower from the shed roof support beams.

    There were several reasons why I am doing the engine towards the end. First off the warranty starts a maximum of 12 months from purchase so I want it to be covered still by the time I use it! Second I wanted to spread the costs across the build, and wouldn't need it for a number of years yet and lastly I figured I could do the entire prop, shaft, seals, engine, fuel lines and filter in one go with assistance from someone who has a clue of what they are doing.

    I knew I was going to be working away, which has caused a pause in construction. I will be back at it after Christmas this year, with a few dollars to spend and renewed drive to get it in the water to enjoy.



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    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Hi, Mal --

    I can certainly understand the warranty issue on the engine, as well as distributing your cash flow more evenly. I hope your build continues to go well. I'm looking forward to seeing more come Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Hi Mike and Bill,
    It probably would have been easier to put the engine in and build around it, that is what Charlie did on the first one. I am looking at using a 14HP Beta, which is about 120kg from memory. I have put the engine supports in and am confident I can get the engine into place through the cockpit to cabin access. I have put in the fuel tank and exhaust line (which is under the cockpit). It probably will be more tricky, but I can hoist and lower from the shed roof support beams.

    There were several reasons why I am doing the engine towards the end. First off the warranty starts a maximum of 12 months from purchase so I want it to be covered still by the time I use it! Second I wanted to spread the costs across the build, and wouldn't need it for a number of years yet and lastly I figured I could do the entire prop, shaft, seals, engine, fuel lines and filter in one go with assistance from someone who has a clue of what they are doing.

    I knew I was going to be working away, which has caused a pause in construction. I will be back at it after Christmas this year, with a few dollars to spend and renewed drive to get it in the water to enjoy.



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    Check out Beta parts prices here in Australia before you commit. The same suppliers sell Bukh engines, which I have. I find their parts ridiculously expensive. Volvo are also prohibitively expensive for parts.

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    Hi Mal
    Check out Beta parts prices here in Australia before you commit. The same suppliers sell Bukh engines, which I have. I find their parts ridiculously expensive. Volvo are also prohibitively expensive for parts.

    Rick

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    Will do Rick. Because they are Kubota based I figured most would be easily and cheaply found as the engines are common for ride on mowers etc.


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    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    I didn't realise they were Kubota based - that's good! Bear in mind though that it tends to be the marine bits that are expensive - heat exchanger parts, exhaust elbows etc. Another thing to look at is workshop manuals. It seems to me that a lot of the marine engine companies don't supply any sort of decent workshop manual! They provide a general maintenance manual (owner's manual) but nothing beyond that, which is a nuisance when you need to do more serious work.

    There's a Mitsubishi engine marinised by a Dutch company called Craftsman that's fairly new on the market here. They seem cheaper than most and ought to be pretty good. Vetus engines are also Dutch and Mitsubishi but Vetus stuff tends to be pricey. Might be worth having a look at the Craftsman. A warning though - there's a range of crappy machinery called Craftsman available in the USA and, I think, here, so Americans and some others think that Craftsman marine engines are related to that range - they're not.

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    Not sure what the deal is with Craftsman here at the moment - I got some quotes for one from the supplier here but they were supposedly changing supplier a few months ago so I don’t know what the issue was or whether that went ahead.

    Mal, I have an updated spreadsheet of most of the available marine engines around that HP and their details for comparison, including a few recent prices. Is your email still mal@kden....etc? If you think it’d be of any use to you I’ll email it through.
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    Rick I did get quotes a while back and liked the Beta, and the ability to get filters etc cheaply. I haven't crunched the numbers recently, Greg the email is still the same and yes please on the spreadsheet.

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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Mal,
    Thanks for the updates...I enjoy clicking through your progress from time to time. Sure is great inspiration on a rainy day. Best wishes for when you continue working.

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    Thanks for the assistance with engine dreaming and the kind words. The second lot of stainless steel 316 fittings are back. These are the rudder gudgeons and pintles (who thinks up these names?).

    An old shot of the top of the rudder 20mm hardwood each side of 40mm wood. Two pintles (the bits that go on the rudder I think) up the top where it is wide, with one further down where the rudder is only 40mm wide.




    A shot of them all. Pintles on the left which are 8mm plate sides and 10mm plate end and attachment fittings. Gudgeons on the right with same dimensions (top two attach to the outside of the transom), bottom one attaches onto the bottom of the keel.
    
    





    Close up of one of the pintles:




    Close up of the transom gudgeon:




    And how they fit together. 16mm hole in the gudgeon for a bolt, 20mm holes in the pintle for the bolt with a nylon bushing which includes a wider again base on the bushing for the rudder to turn on.





    And finally the keel attachment. All 10mm plate as this will take the weight hopefully onto the keel. Slight flare to match the existing hardwood keel which goes from the 150mm back to 80mm where the right hand side of the fitting is and ends up 60mm






    That will be about if for me for a while again now unfortunately.

    I'll just have to keep looking at Greg's H28 progress, watch Bruce work his way home on Arawana and check Gary's progress on Redwing. That should keep me busy for a while..........



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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Good to see your action Mal.

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    I'm back. Boat fund topped up, rubbish out of the shed, spiders driven away and motivation off the scale.

    Starting small to get back into it, rudder work was the go. Adjusted the tiller to fit the rudder:




    Adjusted the rudder to take the pintles top and bottom:




    Drilled and test bolted them:



    Which allowed me to position the gudegeons on the transom:



    And on the keel:



    CONT:
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    While I was on a roll I took the inside of the stem back so I could slide the stem fitting in place:






    Time to get this thing done!


    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Fantastic to have you back Mal.

    Geez those fittings are monster. (That’s fully sick)
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    Mal ..... Oh, yeah, Mal! Hi Mal! Looking great, as usual!! Great to see this!

    Rick

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    Good to see you back at it Mal. Are you home for a while? Or for good perhaps?
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    Good to see progress. Wouldn't you feel a bit better with a metal rudder? I know the Sundowner has a fairly well-protected rudder. I'm one of those hope for the best prepare for the end of the world types.

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    It's good to be back, yes Larks working away is done. I don't have to tell you how much it sucks! Andrew hope you are better, I've been stalking here while I was away including your build.

    Ben2go with the hardwood front on the tiller where the fittings are I'm happy with the wood. It's at the end of a long full keel and will hang slightly higher than the keel level so protected from grounding. I guess we'll find out how it goes, hopefully SOON!


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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    And Rick,
    I'd be keen to see how your berth arrangement I saw you talking about comes together so I can shamelessly steal ideas. Photos!!!


    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    I'm continuing on, slowly getting my groove back. I've cut the hole in the bowsprit to allow it to sit over the stem fitting. Note the angle required on the rear of the 8mm hole to match the fitting:



    And sitting in place:



    While I was up there I drilled drain holes each side on a downward angle. Inside stb side:



    And where it comes out on the port side (half way down the photo just forward or to the left of the yellow end of the level up on deck):



    I also wanted to finish the half a job I did on the rear of the keel to shape it towards the propeller opening. When I built the keel (boat still upside down) I tried using the electric plane to take wood off with limited success. This is roughly marked out after shamelessly copying the rough shape from a photo on Mr Whipple/John Welsford's sites:



    And the port side done:



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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    I did the same on the stb side:



    Below is a before shot looking from aft (also note the floppy ceramic disk on the grinder to the left):



    And a shot half way done showing the roughly 25mm or 1inch taper on the port side, and how much left to go on the stb:



    And a final shot from aft with some straight edges to give you an idea of how it goes in, and note the amount of sawdust! Looking from the side it is deceptive:



    Nearly time to:
    - finish preping for primer/undercoat;
    - epoxy seal the bowsprit hole, drain holes, and now the keel where I have sanded off the epoxy;
    - order engine, drivetrain (shaft, seals, propeller, fittings etc)


    But I'm thinking that could be a bit longer than next week. But I'm working towards it!



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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Nice to see some action Mal. Just a thought on that limber hole having just had to deal with a similar issue here - albeit on a bunch of aluminium boats - it looks like it sits about 5-10mm above the base, if so you might think about taking a file or a dremel to it to lower the base of the hole to level with base of the hatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Nice to see some action Mal. Just a thought on that limber hole having just had to deal with a similar issue here - albeit on a bunch of aluminium boats - it looks like it sits about 5-10mm above the base, if so you might think about taking a file or a dremel to it to lower the base of the hole to level with base of the hatch.
    It is not as bad as it looks Larks but there is a bit filler to come off yet in the corner. I still gave a bit of prep work to go in there before primer. Hopefully I drilled in the right spot but I hadn't thought of widening out the bottom, luckily I put a fair bit of down angle on the drill hole so should work out.

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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
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    The Easter Bunny left me an early present. Beta 14HP, shallow sump with a 70 amp alternator. Thank you to Beta Diesel Australia, looking from the front:

    Beta front.jpg


    And from the side:

    Beta side.jpg

    It will never be that clean again, trying to organise fitting it in the near future but bloody work keeps getting in the way...........



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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Nice Mal, have you sorted shaft and prop?. It’s a whole other adventure getting into engines, Ive been looking and narrowed it down to two. Beta and Nanni, same engine but the bits are different ( as you prob know) my problem is room. The nNanni is about an inch lower but I’d prefer the Beta for future parts purchase ability being in a language I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Will do Rick. Because they are Kubota based I figured most would be easily and cheaply found as the engines are common for ride on mowers etc.


    Mal
    I had a yarn with one of the skippers of the little water taxi ferries on Victoria harbour when I was last there, very interested in the boats and their engines. For those who dont know them, check this out,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHz97cK4_u8
    He told me that these little 20 footers were originally powered by Yanmar engines, but that at around 12 to 14 thou hours they were done, and their replacements were marinised Kubotas, which when I spoke to him were all well over 20 thou hours and going strong.

    Good choice Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Hi Mike and Bill,
    It probably would have been easier to put the engine in and build around it, that is what Charlie did on the first one. I am looking at using a 14HP Beta, which is about 120kg from memory. I have put the engine supports in and am confident I can get the engine into place through the cockpit to cabin access. I have put in the fuel tank and exhaust line (which is under the cockpit). It probably will be more tricky, but I can hoist and lower from the shed roof support beams.

    There were several reasons why I am doing the engine towards the end. First off the warranty starts a maximum of 12 months from purchase so I want it to be covered still by the time I use it! Second I wanted to spread the costs across the build, and wouldn't need it for a number of years yet and lastly I figured I could do the entire prop, shaft, seals, engine, fuel lines and filter in one go with assistance from someone who has a clue of what they are doing.

    I knew I was going to be working away, which has caused a pause in construction. I will be back at it after Christmas this year, with a few dollars to spend and renewed drive to get it in the water to enjoy.



    Mal
    We'd left the transom and cockpit sole out, heaved the little Bukh up and into the cockpit, shuffled it along and lowered it into place. Much easier than trying to get it up, across and down through the hatch.

    By the way, Charlie is writing "the book" and is due here next week to go and check out all his old haunts and the friends that he made while here. I'm looking forward to seeing him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    And Rick,
    I'd be keen to see how your berth arrangement I saw you talking about comes together so I can shamelessly steal ideas. Photos!!!


    Mal
    Was this me or another Rick? I think the only berth arrangement I might have talked about in the dim, dark past concerned where to put the dunny. Is that it?

    Your new engine looks nice. I have one too but it's bleu and, as you can see, I've had to learn French! Although as you might know from Lemon Head's thread, I'm already very good at it.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    We'd left the transom and cockpit sole out, heaved the little Bukh up and into the cockpit, shuffled it along and lowered it into place. Much easier than trying to get it up, across and down through the hatch.

    By the way, Charlie is writing "the book" and is due here next week to go and check out all his old haunts and the friends that he made while here. I'm looking forward to seeing him again.

    John Welsford
    Please wish him my best, I have been on his old blog so much I feel like a stalker.

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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Was this me or another Rick? I think the only berth arrangement I might have talked about in the dim, dark past concerned where to put the dunny. Is that it?

    Your new engine looks nice. I have one too but it's bleu and, as you can see, I've had to learn French! Although as you might know from Lemon Head's thread, I'm already very good at it.

    Rick
    Rick,
    I thought on one of the threads you mentioned setting up a berth you could move 90degrees in the aft cabin I might have been mistaken, often happens! Your French language skills have always impressed me, if not the native speakers.
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Nice Mal, have you sorted shaft and prop?. It’s a whole other adventure getting into engines, Ive been looking and narrowed it down to two. Beta and Nanni, same engine but the bits are different ( as you prob know) my problem is room. The nNanni is about an inch lower but I’d prefer the Beta for future parts purchase ability being in a language I understand.
    Andrew,
    Prop, shaft, seals, through hull, fuel filter etc are in discussion. Even the shallow sump could not match the Nanni?
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Rick,
    I thought on one of the threads you mentioned setting up a berth you could move 90degrees in the aft cabin I might have been mistaken, often happens! Your French language skills have always impressed me, if not the native speakers.
    Ah, non! Must have been another Rick - we (oui) 'ave no aft cabin! The native speakers are unreasonable - but fortunately have a fine sense of humour!

    Rick

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