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    Hi Mal, I think the overall height is an inch less on Nanni even with the shallow sump on Beta, but I will double check before purchase. Maybe the height from mounts to top is different. I wil check. I have made a wooden dummy engine. One Yanmar and one Beta, but both require some raising of cockpit sole which I will turn into a bridge deck.

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    Hi Mal,
    Always enjoy seeing the updates on your thread. Got a question for you with regard to shop clearance. How tall is it from the floor of the shop, to the top of the deckhouse? What headroom do you have in your shop?

    Thanks,
    Ryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtowner8820 View Post
    Hi Mal,
    Always enjoy seeing the updates on your thread. Got a question for you with regard to shop clearance. How tall is it from the floor of the shop, to the top of the deckhouse? What headroom do you have in your shop?

    Thanks,
    Ryan
    Hi Ryan. The door at the front is 3m wide with 3.3m clearance at the top. The shed itself is huge, over 4m at the sides and 4.5m at the very peak. I will measure floor to cabin top for you, but by my calculations there is 75mm or 3inches clearance at each of the sides when I need to get the boat out. BUT I will check before I put the rubbings strakes on!


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    That is a beautifully shaped rudder!
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Hi Mal, she's coming along beautifully!
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    Thanks Mal,

    I'll look forward to that measurement, and thanks for sharing about the shop. I have a barn with an inside ceiling height of 10 feet...so sort of has me curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Hi Ryan. The door at the front is 3m wide with 3.3m clearance at the top. The shed itself is huge, over 4m at the sides and 4.5m at the very peak. I will measure floor to cabin top for you, but by my calculations there is 75mm or 3inches clearance at each of the sides when I need to get the boat out. BUT I will check before I put the rubbings strakes on!


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    Coulda built a bigger one

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    That is a beautifully shaped rudder!
    Thank you, it was the first thing I made off the plans and the size of it gave me my first near heart attack/what have I done moment.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Hi Mal, she's coming along beautifully!
    Thanks Peter. Good to see you back in the shed with a positive result from your treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by rtowner8820 View Post
    Thanks Mal, I'll look forward to that measurement, and thanks for sharing about the shop. I have a barn with an inside ceiling height of 10 feet...so sort of has me curious...
    I went out with a string line and took a measurement. Roughly 2770mm or 9ft 2 or 3 inches to the floor, with 70mm or just under three inches of space between the bottom of the keel I made (which I think is a little bit deeper) and the slab floor.

    So, looking forward to another Sundowner build starting soon maybe ????

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Coulda built a bigger one
    Andrew, I would like to go sailing at some stage! At the rate this one is progressing my son will have to finish it..........



    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    I have bought the study plan, and find myself looking through the building steps document frequently. And then add your blog and I'm pretty much addicted to the design. Can't wait to see your boat in the water and sailing. Other than Charlie's have there been other completed Sundowners?

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    Mr Welsford may chime in but from memory there is a stretched one similar to mine somewhere on the water as well.

    If you want extra photos of the original build have a look throught the old blog of Mr Wipple at http://tokyowest.typepad.com/charlie.../10/index.html

    EDIT starts at 9-7-05.

    Mal
    Last edited by Quest; 04-06-2018 at 03:30 AM. Reason: Added date to help review of blog
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    I just had a look at that blog and there’s a clever bit of writing at Sept 2010 under ”English Fun”

    took a little while to figure it, but to see more boat stuff in that blog use the “back” and “fwd” arrows at top of pages.
    Last edited by andrewpatrol; 04-06-2018 at 03:44 AM.

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    Thanks Andrew, should have added a reference date which I have done now. I have looked at it so much I know where stuff is and forgot.

    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    After much hand wringing, and further sanding/fairing I got to the point where I could not avoid painting any longer. Been worried about how it will look, but you got to stop sanding sometime. Decided to go with International Interprotect two part epoxy sealer/primer, and thinned the first coat about ten percent. Other than the smell, seems to be working okay so far. I decided to do the bottom surface (which is flatter than many other boats) and everything on deck first. This was due to only having to removed part of the cradle supporting the boat, and being a chicken and wanting to start underneath where only the fish will be looking at my first attempt. Cut in the edges with a brush and rolled the vast majority of it with a 160mm or 180mm wide cloth roller.

    Looking underneath from the bow to aft:



    From the aft:



    Looking aft on the deck part way though before I did the cabin and cockpit:




    Cockpit from the side:



    The transom from the side (reminds me of Mr Whipple's similar shot!)





    A final shot looking forward down the port side. Sorry, the light was failing but you get the idea.




    I was pleasantly surprised with the finish, particularly on the deck and rear quarter deck where I went a bit thicker. But I have put a second coat in the anchor well and it seems to cover well anything still visible. I will do at least two coats, possibly three. I've used a four litre can (with the hardener as well) so far.

    Feeling a little better about the process and finish I must say, but a few things to tidy up here and there.



    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Great stage to be at Mal, all power to your brush hand.

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    I am still grinding along, I have been running electrical wire throughout the boat and connecting lights, fans, charging sockets and putting in a couple of batteries. No pictures of that yet, thought I had some but must not have.

    Lifted the engine into place on the beds with a pulley system and 4WD winch:





    Sitting in place:




    And have three coats on the underside of the hull (right under the bottom), and topsides (anchor well, deck, cabin sides and top, cockpit and rear quarterdeck). Now I have put the supports back under the hull with an extra one each side, tied it back to the shed and removed side of the cradle. First coat of sealer/undercoat is on, two more to go.

    From the front before:



    And after:



    Port side before:



    And after:



    CONT:
    Quest

    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Couldn't leave out this shot, shows a bit of the deck but light is poor.




    More photos of the electrical fit out and the deck finish (even three coats of sealer looks good to me) to follow once I finish rolling it all on.


    Still alive!



    Mal
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Brilliant!!! The engine pulley set up looks interesting....
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    Yep, looking great Mal!

    Rick

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    What goes over the engine Mal, or does it slide back from where it's sitting now?

    Rick

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    With the paint she looks nearly done. Beautiful lines.

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    Greg, the rope work was the product of my engineer brother in law. Worked well but I was a sceptic as we set it up.

    Rick the engine basically sits about where it is. When I stretched the plan and tried to get the shaft tube angle set out it is a bit more horizontal than it should be. This means the coupling circumference dictates how far back I can go. BUT, it was always my plan to box it in (I have the frame already made) and use it as a table and step from the cabin seats out onto the bridge deck. Will also make maintenance very easy, sides will be removable.

    Rik, it is really starting to show the final shape now it is one colour. It was raining so I could not leave the shed doors open with wet primer for light. Better photos, with a cleaner shed, to follow.


    Mal
    Last edited by Quest; 06-08-2018 at 12:47 AM. Reason: wrong name for Larks!
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Sounds really good Mal! Such a great thing to have really good access to the sides and top of the engine. I can actually enjoy working on engines when I can actually get to them!

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Sounds really good Mal! Such a great thing to have really good access to the sides and top of the engine. I can actually enjoy working on engines when I can actually get to them!

    Rick
    I didn't know you were allowed to enjoy working on them. It certainly will make me more likely to look it over and service it more regularly with the built on oil sump pump and the ability to reach things without having to have arms that bend five different ways to get at something.


    Have to post some photos I promised, standby....
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Photos promised.

    Storage for house battery under the foot of the cabin berths which go back under the cockpit.




    Lights and double USB charging point in the main cabin (same both sides).





    Forward cabin port side, double USB, reading light and then fan.




    Better shot forward showing the fan.




    Few more on the blog, but you get the idea. Minimalist LED's, I cannot see much point in too many gadgets when they are all so mobile and portable these days.

    CONT with outside shots.
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    Moving slowly towards a Welsford Sundowner.

    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    Cockpit looking aft with three coats of sealer.




    Cabin sides and top looking aft:



    A better shot of the port side looking forward, sides with second coat of sealer:



    And sat a few stanchions in place to get a feel for the final look.





    This thing is starting to get close................


    Mal
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    Hobart Wooden Boat Festival 2017, or maybe 2019ish??

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...undowner-build
    http://sundownerbuild.blogspot.com.au/

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    She gonna be a sleek looking vessel when she hit the water.

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    You are close to the water now...

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    Very nice Mal! Bright and airy inside - just what you want!

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    Well done Mal, very, very soon!
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