Do you respect Obama's dance around the issue of gay marriage?

[John Smith]

I find most Republicans, including Romney, to not be worthy of much conversation. If it makes you happy, I did, just a few hours ago label him 'pathetic' with regards to his politics. I'm unwilling to castigate him or his family for his personal success with regards to wealth, his religion, or the many other attacks against his character which go on here daily. If I engage Obama more often, its because I think he gets a free pass all too often for simply not being a Republican.

I appreciate what you're saying. I'm not sure he's gotten many free passes. I, among others, were disappointed that Gitmo stayed open, although I was admittedly surprised at the opposition to closing it. I was disappointed with the public option being given away, and some other things, like compromising on the extension of the Bush tax cuts. I think the lessening of his popularity shows the lack of the free pass.

That said, I have NEVER been a great fan of Obama's, but I think he's played the hand he was dealt, or the Chess game he took over, brilliantly in hindsight.

Meanwhile I look at what Republican controlled states and the House actually do, and it scares the hell out of me.

[John Smith]

What?....... OMG...... Hilliary was there also, are you gonna give her some of the credit? I suppose you think the Nobel PP was a well earned award too?

Everyone involved gets some credit, but many IN THAT ROOM were opposed to sending the seals in. Obama made the final decision. Biden and Gates opposed the decision.

Anyone who thinks this was an easy decision, a no brainer, doesn't know what he's talking about. It would have been an easy decision to simply use a drone.

This singular decision on the part of Obama was both gutsy and wise.

As to gay marriage, I think he made the correct decision there, also. This issue is going to be argued in front of the Supreme Court. That's where the final decision on the subject will be made. Obama took a stand when he decided not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act before that Court. I'm not sure why some additional statement is necessary or how it would be helpful.

[John Smith]

Let's get this out of the way. You are NOT in Norm's class. He is a sharp and intelligent debater. I'm not going to characterise your postings or their contents. That might attract Scott's retribution.
Good luck on election day.

That reads like someone who hasn't read the posts of Mr. Pless. I see him as a gentleman who has been a Republican, but is realizing the drastic and very unattractive changes his party is undergoing. I find this much more admirable than denying these changes or applauding them.

[Chris Coose]

Or do you wish he'd stop playing election year politics?

How'd he dance around gays in the military while ****birds like McCain were laying land mines all over the dance floor?

Just lke Fred Astair.

[switters]

An old Bendix hub? Where the $#%# did they find a Bendix Red Band? Or does somebody make a new ones?

No, I don't like Obama's dance around marriage equality. Unfortunately, that's the sort of crap politicians have to do. I don't vote for the pure in heart; they lose, or if they win they can't get anything done.

The curious thing is that most people who criticize him for it would oppose it if he came out in favor.

Sturmey Archer.

[wardd]

What?....... OMG...... Hilliary was there also, are you gonna give her some of the credit? I suppose you think the Nobel PP was a well earned award too?

i dare say she is more respected than powel was when he left

can anyone say mobile labs?

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

That reads like someone who hasn't read the posts of Mr. Pless. I see him as a gentleman who has been a Republican, but is realizing the drastic and very unattractive changes his party is undergoing. I find this much more admirable than denying these changes or applauding them.

The current president of the United States is an extremely intelligent individual. He has been well engaged in all the policies that are important to the health of this country.
The premise of Mr. Pless's thread is to criticise him over a third rate issue that is very divisive. The president knows what he is doing. I don't know about Mr. Pless.

[Norman Bernstein]

The current president of the United States is an extremely intelligent individual. He has been well engaged in all the policies that are important to the health of this country.
The premise of Mr. Pless's thread is to criticise him over a third rate issue that is very divisive. The president knows what he is doing. I don't know about Mr. Pless.

That might be a bit harsh, Chuck..... I'd say Paul is just looking to stake out his position: he's going to vote for the guy, but he wants to be sure we all understand that he doesn't have any thrills going up his leg

[Osborne Russell]

I still don't get the original argument. What do you want Obama to do, Paul? Stop dancing around and do what?

[George Jung]

Paul's just venting a bit; consider it a purgative! It was either this, or the enema....

[Durnik]

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
― Sun Tzu

I believe he has studied Sun-tzu

That also seems pretty obvious from my perspective..

enjoy
bobby

[Paul Pless]

Sturmey Archer.

Are these things efficient?

[switters]

yes, but heavier than a cassette and derailleur. I have a 5 speed with drum brakes on my commuter, drum brake up front and getting ready to upgrade to a dynohub. 20 mile pub run in 18F, no problems other than the brakes get loud at that temperature.

Snow on the rims, freezing ice on the drive train, doesn't matter. The lack of maintenance and 4-season dependability are worth the few extra ounces to me, I'm slow anyway, year round.

[John Smith]

I still don't get the original argument. What do you want Obama to do, Paul? Stop dancing around and do what?

I don't get all the tv coverage, which is all misleading.

THIS ISSUE IF GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT. OBAMA'S OPINION DOESN'T MATTER, PAST HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT DEFENDING THE DOM ACT.

IF HE COMES OUT AND SAYS HE SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE, IT IS MORE LIKELY THE COURT WILL HAVE 5 VOTES AGAINST IT.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

That might be a bit harsh, Chuck..... I'd say Paul is just looking to stake out his position: he's going to vote for the guy, but he wants to be sure we all understand that he doesn't have any thrills going up his leg

That's an unusual way to look at it.
Well the bottom line is there are only two to chose from. Why get your guts in an uproar because your prefered candidate isn't ready for cannonization?
Pless should be like the lady that came to Romney's campaign appearance here in Cuyahoga County. She yelled out, "Obama is guilty of treason", or words to that effect. She certainly isn't plagued with self doubts.

[George Jung]

So yer saying Paul should go to an Obama campaign appearance, and yell out 'You're not sending any thrills up my leg!', eh?

I'd pay good money to see that....

[Chris Coose]

Whenever I can't bring myself to vote for a lousy Democrat, I wouldn't waste a moment tearing down the republican opponent. Ish used to do this every election. He was a Reagan republican and couldn't help but tear up the liberal so he could enter the voting booth convinced he was doing the right thing.

Pless is a liberal too.

[Paul Pless]

Pless is a liberal too.

Besides Leikec and Bob Adams, I may actually be the only real centrist this board has.

[John Smith]

Why is the media spending so much time on this? There are more important issues, and Obama's actions have been supportive of the gay community. Actions without words or words without actions? Take your pick.

Am I the only one in the world who reallzes this issue will not be decided by the opinion of the president, but by that of five justices on the Supreme Court?

[Paul Pless]

I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.

Done dancing and good on him!

[Bobcat]

He's dancing no longer.

Good for him.

[bobbys]

Whenever I can't bring myself to vote for a lousy Democrat, I wouldn't waste a moment tearing down the republican opponent. Ish used to do this every election. He was a Reagan republican and couldn't help but tear up the liberal so he could enter the voting booth convinced he was doing the right thing.

Pless is a liberal too.

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Re: Didn't anyone notice Romney's scratching of himself?

Romney is known to be an oxycontin addict and he was probably in a bit of withdrawal.

Study Peace

[Chris Coose]

He wasn't the republican opponent when I wrote this observation bobbys and I have an excellent democrat to vote for. You lose on this one on all counts.
Matter of fact I never expected Romney to be the republican opponent. I've always believed it was going to be the former failed governor of Alaska.
And you never got around to proving he isn't an opiate addict either.

[Bobcat]

Ron Paul does not dance.

Or draw any support from the people voting.

[bobbys]

He wasn't the republican opponent when I wrote this observation bobbys and I have an excellent democrat to vote for. You lose on this one on all counts.
Matter of fact I never expected Romney to be the republican opponent. I've always believed it was going to be the former failed governor of Alaska.
And you never got around to proving he isn't an opiate addict either.

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You made the accusation, you need to prove it or admit your fibbing.

It does not matter if he was running at the time or not..

Its Appertain your convinced your doing the "right thing".

[pefjr]

Or draw any support from the people voting.

Enough, you mean. He has my support.

[Norman Bernstein]

Enough, you mean. He has my support.

That, and $1.70, will get you a cup of coffee at Dunkin' Donuts.....

...but it ain't gonna get Ron Paul elected

[pefjr]

That, and $1.70, will get you a cup of coffee at Dunkin' Donuts.....

...but it ain't gonna get Ron Paul elected

Maybe, but I can sleep at night with an easy conscious. Ain't a Yogi Berra's dimes difference in the other two war dog MIC puppets. You want change or Status Quo? With either of the other dogs, nothing, ....I repeat for the dense....nothin, will change.

[johnw]

Or do you wish he'd stop playing election year politics?

That's like hoping the NY Yankees will stop playing baseball, isn't it? Don't we pay these guys to play politics?