Kent State

[Lew Barrett]

Didn't stop Richard Daley and the Chicago "machine".

Quite true, and I wouldn't draw the parallel to suggest that a proper science for "crowd management" has yet been developed, or more importantly, fully implemented, but mention the cite to point out that a study done by the university (staff) itself suggests that the events at Kent State had enduring impact. That for those who question why discussing it on it's anniversary is irrelevant.

In respect to Chicago, your point illustrates just how erroneous Bobbys' points are when he casts all "liberals" in one light. He then presumes to know what their motivations were. Now, to directly address your comment, the events of Chicago and the Kent State debacle roughly two years later reflect the same political climate even if they occurred under different administrations. No meaningful, direct redress or commentary by those in control of this country in respect to the poor showing in Viet Nam has ever really been made, although items like Robert McNamara's book and later comments are certainly revealing. Of course, we're hardly alone in ignoring our errors; it's a common tactic of governments, even those created from the ashes of the last administrations' mistakes.

Control is still a top down affair here, and I suspect where you are as well. That's something I think we could even agree with Tylerdurden on. Daley's handling of force majeure was a common feature of both parties, another reason why I responded to bobbys' poorly thought out commentary. But often, I wonder why I bother......

[bobbys]

Quite true, and I wouldn't draw the parallel to suggest that a proper science for "crowd management" has yet been developed, or more importantly, fully implemented, but mention the cite to point out that a study done by the university (staff) itself suggests that the events at Kent State had enduring impact. That for those who question why discussing it on it's anniversary is irrelevant.

In respect to Chicago, your point illustrates just how erroneous Bobbys' points are when he casts all "liberals" in one light. He then presumes to know what their motivations were. Now, to directly address your comment, the events of Chicago and the Kent State debacle roughly two years later reflect the same political climate even if they occurred under different administrations. No meaningful, direct redress or commentary by those in control of this country in respect to the poor showing in Viet Nam has ever really been made, although items like Robert McNamara's book and later comments are certainly revealing.

Control is still a top down affair here, and I suspect where you are as well. That's something I think we could even agree with Tylerdurden on. Daily's handling of force majeure was a common feature of both parties, another reason why I responded to bobbys' poorly thought out commentary. But often, I wonder why I bother......

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I promise when I bring my son over to go a courting i will sit at your table and nod in agreement at all your ramblings!.

He will be in La Push fishing, I may have to go get him, On the way back im gonna stop at your house and PCfords!

[ccmanuals]

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Makes me wonder why you use "teabaggers" when its decided we should not use that or Libtards..

At least you did not put up a misspelled sign and misspell Protesters...

When the tparty stops saying Obamacare and start using Affordable Care Act I will refer to them as their proper name.

[Phillip Allen]

When the tparty stops saying Obamacare and start using Affordable Care Act I will refer to them as their proper name.

good excuse for your continued degradation

[bobbys]

When the tparty stops saying Obamacare and start using Affordable Care Act I will refer to them as their proper name.

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So that's your excuse for your ad Hominy?..

[tigerregis]

Force majeure is a legal term for acts of the gods. I don't think you mean Daley was one.
Ad hominy is Georgian for " you want grits with that?"

[ccmanuals]

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So that's your excuse for your ad Hominy?..

I attacked you? It's not called an excuse, it's called a reason.


Why should I show any respect to a group that shows absolutely no respect for others?

[Ian McColgin]

I happen to agree that it's better to call the Tea Party folk "Tea Party." One really can't insult them more strongly than just letting them talk.

[bobbys]

I attacked you? It's not called an excuse, it's called a reason.


Why should I show any respect to a group that shows absolutely no respect for others?

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Do not be the guy that throws the first rock, We do not need every thread with Teabagger and libtard.

I told Transifi not to use libtard.

I can justify my ad hominy's to.

Just knock it off..

[ccmanuals]

hittin close to home?

[bobbys]

hittin close to home?

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Was that the intent ?

[Lew Barrett]

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I promise when I bring my son over to go a courting i will sit at your table and nod in agreement at all your ramblings!.

He will be in La Push fishing, I may have to go get him, On the way back im gonna stop at your house and PCfords!

Bring a decent Oregon Pinot, and patience!

[johnw]

Not really, the question was kindergarten variety math, irrelevant , and an attempt to distract.

Not really, the question was how does Kent State have anything to do with Obama, given his age at the time. That's the question you're still dodging.

But you knew that.

[Dan McCosh]

the vn war protesters caused the death of many soldiers... they cannot afford to ever 'see' that and will declare themselves unconvinced until the hinges fall off of hell

Those who failed to protest against the war caused the death of a lot more soldiers.

[Tall Boy]

Those who failed to protest against the war caused the death of a lot more soldiers.

Yeh right...Sorry I didn't join your movment dude, I was too busy building a boat...........

[pefjr]

Not really, the question was how does Kent State have anything to do with Obama, given his age at the time. That's the question you're still dodging.

But you knew that.

This is a new question, go back and review your questions#78 and you will see your error. This new question was answered in #47 long before you asked.

[johnw]

This is a new question, go back and review your questions#78 and you will see your error. This new question was answered in #47 long before you asked.

I'm sure you are quite intelligent to understand the original question, pretending not to is just a dodge. And post #47 is the reason I asked the question you have still failed to answer.

But never mind, I knew you'd resort to your usual evasions.

[pefjr]

I'm sure you are quite intelligent to understand the original question, pretending not to is just a dodge. And post #47 is the reason I asked the question you have still failed to answer.

But never mind, I knew you'd resort to your usual evasions.

If you knew, why did you bother? Let's see now ...if this event occurred in 1970, and Obama's BC is authentic(questionable to some)then we have a simple arithmetic problem,..... let me get the calculator.... I'll get back to you. I knew you would resort to an attempted insult or accusation, but never mind.

[Frank Wentzel]

To the comment that the guardsmen were threatened: note that the two actual demonstrators who were who were killed - Jeffrey Miller and Allison Krause were respectively 265 feet and 385 feet away from the guardsmen. Even if they were armed with rocks they were incapable of posing a credible threat. Of the wounded Joseph Lewis was closest at 71 feet (he was shot twice). The average distance of those shot was 345 feet. Wiki mentions that one policeman was hit by a rock ( I would suppose that he was not the only one) but neither at the time nor now have I heard of any reportable injuries to National Guardsmen. Now here you are a guardsman with a rifle - the butt of that rifle is a pretty good weapon all by itself. You have a bayonet on the other end of that rifle - and you feel threatened by people who aren't even close to you? So threatened that killing them with a long range weapon is your only alternative? You feel a need to shoot at people who were more than a football field length away from you? It didn't make sense to me then and it doesn't now. This, of course, at ignores the obvious guns versus rocks issue, which I also believe is unsupportable.

/// Frank ///

[purri]

^ I imagine that Kent State was the National Guard's version of Tom Lehrer's "Four Hunters, three Game Wardens and a cow".

[johnw]

If you knew, why did you bother? Let's see now ...if this event occurred in 1970, and Obama's BC is authentic(questionable to some)then we have a simple arithmetic problem,..... let me get the calculator.... I'll get back to you. I knew you would resort to an attempted insult or accusation, but never mind.

Man, you're getting boring. I actually hoped you might have something to contribute. Silly me.

[pefjr]

Man, you're getting boring. I actually hoped you might have something to contribute. Silly me.

I agree, silly you. You keep coming back for some reason, what would that be? Hope in one hand and... yadda yadda....Is this ad hominey your final effort?

[ccmanuals]

If an attack on someone's character is true is it a ad hominem? Is boring a character trait? so many questions so little time.

[pefjr]

If an attack on someone's character is true is it a ad hominem? Is boring a character trait? so many questions so little time.

Yes, and Yes, but when you skills are limited ...........You boys are fattin up on that ad hominey lately.

[Bob Cleek]

Funny how nobody remembers "Bloody Thursday," May 15, 1969, or mourns James Rector anymore. 128 others were seriously injured when police fired 00 buck into the crowd (with most hit in the back) at People's Park. That one was Ronald Regan and Ed Meese's doing... entirely. Ronny wanted to play the tough guy.

[hokiefan]

To the comment that the guardsmen were threatened: note that the two actual demonstrators who were who were killed - Jeffrey Miller and Allison Krause were respectively 265 feet and 385 feet away from the guardsmen. Even if they were armed with rocks they were incapable of posing a credible threat. Of the wounded Joseph Lewis was closest at 71 feet (he was shot twice). The average distance of those shot was 345 feet. Wiki mentions that one policeman was hit by a rock ( I would suppose that he was not the only one) but neither at the time nor now have I heard of any reportable injuries to National Guardsmen. Now here you are a guardsman with a rifle - the butt of that rifle is a pretty good weapon all by itself. You have a bayonet on the other end of that rifle - and you feel threatened by people who aren't even close to you? So threatened that killing them with a long range weapon is your only alternative? You feel a need to shoot at people who were more than a football field length away from you? It didn't make sense to me then and it doesn't now. This, of course, at ignores the obvious guns versus rocks issue, which I also believe is unsupportable.

/// Frank ///

So NO ONE wants to comment about this? Really? Yeah I'm talking to you Donn... how were these two a threat to the National Guard troops? Enough of a threat to kill students walking to class as collateral damage? I don't stinking get it.

Bobby

[purri]

I said my bit. (cut lunch soldiers led by General Incompetence)