Opressed Indians, How did Norm miss this one

[bobbys]

We heard from a Bad Baptist, Bain Capital, Reps peeing, Romney a few dozen times, Attack ads but how did Norm miss this one about Ms.Warren.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columni...eid=1061128614

[Ian McColgin]

Ah, were folk to read something other than the barely literate hate filled Howie, they'd know a couple of things, like:

Ms Warren is proud of what she'd been told of her heritage, mentioned it casually, it got into a directory long before she ever taught at Harvard, had no part in her hiring, and was trotted out by some grubby AA padding administrator when they were criticized for not having "enough" minority profs; and

Yes, at least one great grandmother is Cherokee.

Senator Brown started this silly bit but from a campaign gotcha point of view, he started it too early, giving curious geneologists a chance to find the truth and for the conservative folk who hired her to Harvard to say essentially, "I didn't know she had any Native American in her." Meanwhile Brown keeps saying that it's all very suspicious, which he's been saying for too long and he's erroding his support.

So it's all good.

[bobbys]

Give the Indians a Break already!

[S.V. Airlie]

Okay, tell me what the issue is here: was it not acknowledging her heritage to some one? that she has indian blood, that you feel that she got preference getting a position? sorry disconnect here.
growing up, I learned that my ggrandfather's middle name was Proudfoot...sounds Indian right? I was thrilled that I had a wee bit of Native Indian running through my veins. Then the let down: proudfoot is an old English name, not Native American. A real bummer!

[Norman Bernstein]

Another 'nontroversy', blown up to look as if it's somehow significant. 'Hate-filled' doesn't begin to really describe Howie Carr.

We'll go through several dozen MORE of these before election day... you can count on it.

[Phillip Allen]

Okay, tell me what the issue is here: was it not acknowledging her heritage to some one? that she has indian blood, that you feel that she got preference getting a position? sorry disconnect here.
growing up, I learned that my ggrandfather's middle name was Proudfoot...sounds Indian right? I was thrilled that I had a wee bit of Native Indian running through my veins. Then the let down: proudfoot is an old English name, not Native American. A real bummer!

sounds like a Hobbit name... you look somewhat like a LARGE hobbit BTW

[David G]

bs,

Don't tell Norman about the trials and tribulations heaped upon the head of the North Coast Finns!

[S.V. Airlie]

sounds like a Hobbit name... you look somewhat like a LARGE hobbit BTW

Just good old English Phillip.

[Phillip Allen]

Just good old English Phillip.

Tolkine wasn't exactly a German

[S.V. Airlie]

Tolkine wasn't exactly a German

As he was born in South Africa. Tolien's family came from Germany granted.However, his immediate family, especially his father, thought of themselves as completely English and not German Phillip.I'm not sure really where you are going with this.

[Flying Orca]

Phillip.I'm not sure really where you are going with this.

Oh, he'll deny going anywhere with anything, even though it smells like he is. It's the Awww-Shucks method (tm).

[Donn]

Tolkine[sic]..

Tolien's[sic]..

Tolkien.

[S.V. Airlie]

Sorry to miss a letter Donn. Beat me a belt. Me bad..The world is coming to an end. Aztecs are counting down the days and Chicken Little is out warning everyone to hide because the sky is going to fall any minute.

[Bob Adams]

Chicken Little is out warning everyone to hide because the sky is going to fall any minute.

Tylerdurden is back???

[leikec]

The Indians are leading their division, albeit with a record of 11 wins, 10 losses.

Jeff C

[S.V. Airlie]

Almost sounds like it, but apparently missing a letter in "Tolkien" equates to what will happen to the world by doing so on a post.Donn makes it sound as though my error was earth shattering..

[Donn]

The Indians are leading their division, albeit with a record of 11 wins, 10 losses.

Jeff C

Yessir! We're ahead of Chicago by 2/1000ths, and Johnny Damon will be starting for us tonight, at left field and leading off. We'll see if the old fart has anything left. He was on the bench with a 2-day beard last night. It'll be interesting to see if he shaves for tonight's game. I'll never forget his first game with the Yankees. He looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

[Donn]

Get over it, Jamie. You sound foolish.

[Phillip Allen]

As he was born in South Africa. Tolien's family came from Germany granted.However, his immediate family, especially his father, thought of themselves as completely English and not German Phillip.I'm not sure really where you are going with this.

the origin of 'Hobbits' was (I thought) an Englishman ...

[S.V. Airlie]

Hey Donn, I'm glad he wasn't on the bench with a hooker.

[leikec]

Yessir! We're ahead of Chicago by 2/1000ths, and Johnny Damon will be starting for us tonight, at left field and leading off. We'll see if the old fart has anything left. He was on the bench with a 2-day beard last night. It'll be interesting to see if he shaves for tonight's game. I'll never forget his first game with the Yankees. He looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

I think he's a solid acquisition, as long as he doesn't run, hit, or field like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

Jeff C

[S.V. Airlie]

the origin of 'Hobbits' was (I thought) an Englishman ...

Wasn't South Africa was colonized by the English after defeating the Dutch Boers etc. Phillip. I suspect those in South Africa considered themselves English.

[bobbys]

The Indians are leading their division, albeit with a record of 11 wins, 10 losses.

Jeff C

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What's Ms. Warren's Batting average this year?

[wardd]

As he was born in South Africa. Tolien's family came from Germany granted.However, his immediate family, especially his father, thought of themselves as completely English and not German Phillip.I'm not sure really where you are going with this.

my, your fast with google

[wardd]

Sorry to miss a letter Donn. Beat me a belt. Me bad..The world is coming to an end. Aztecs are counting down the days and Chicken Little is out warning everyone to hide because the sky is going to fall any minute.

seems you missed a whole word here

[S.V. Airlie]

fine. Hard for you to miss a word unless the authors you use to clip and paste your posts do.

[wardd]

fine. Hard for you to miss a word unless the authors you use to clip and paste your posts do.

i only c@p from the best

[ChaseKenyon]

We heard from a Bad Baptist, Bain Capital, Reps peeing, Romney a few dozen times, Attack ads but how did Norm miss this one about Ms.Warren.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columni...eid=1061128614

from which we get:

Excuse me? What would you call a free pass to Columbia and then Harvard Law? For a guy who thinks there are 57 states and that they speak “Austrian” in Austria? Who pronounces corpsman “corpseman”?

Who became editor of the Harvard Law Review without ever having written a single article for the publication?

One would think that a paper in Boston the same place where Harvard is,would at least be aware of how the Harvard Law Review operates and if not find out.

For the following reasons I have to discredit the entire article and it it's writer.

The Harvard Law Review is a journal of legal scholarship published by an independent student group at Harvard Law School.

Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis.

Ressner and Smith report that

Obama "beat out 18 other contenders" to become president of the Harvard Law Review. Those would have been classmates of his, all of them about to enter their third and final years of law school. ( this is a slightly moronic statement as Barak was a 2L when elected pres. of the HLR. so they were not his classmates. The choice of being on the Review is based primarily on grades and submissions. and even if he was a Discretionary member of the review he still had to compete for election to pres by fellow HLR members and the board and outgoing pres and staff.)And that's a remarkably large number of competitors for the top slot —

more people, in fact, than we had on our entire editorial board at Texas (even though Harvard and Texas are similarly sized and comparatively very large law schools).

What Ressner and Smith describe at Harvard — and I've read other, similar descriptions of the HLR and of Obama's election as its first black president — make me believe its editorial board selection was remarkably, overtly political as compared to most other law journals. How could it be otherwise, when it apparently

depended on a vote among all of one's direct (same-year) peers and competitors

who together made up the journal's membership?

The above comment and it's use as the basis for this persons "opinion" are grossly a fabrication that has not even checked on who elects the HLR president and how the person is chosen.

Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores.

Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition. Harvard Law School students who are interested in joining the Review must write the competition at the end of their 1L year, even if they plan to take time off during law school or are pursuing a joint degree and plan to spend a year at another Harvard graduate school.

Information for prospective transfer students.

In recent years, the number of students completing the competition has ranged from 215 to 265. 44 students are invited to join the Review each year.

Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores.

from the HLR website

The first black member of the Review was Charles Hamilton Houston, LL.B. cum laude 1922, S.J.D. 1923, who served on Volume 35. The second black member was William Henry Hastie LL.B. cum laude 1930, a member of the Board of Volume 43, who later became Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Other black members of the Board have included William T. Coleman, Jr., J.D. magna cum laude 1943 ('46), later Secretary of Transportation, and current Harvard Law School Professors Christopher F. Edley, Jr. (Volume 90) and David B. Wilkins (Volume 93). As the Review enters its second century, it has just elected its first minority President, Raj Marphatia of Volume 101.

repeating the process to be elected President of the HLR (which is a management position). The potus was a magna cum laude student.

On Jan. 28, the Harvard Law Review elected Conor S. Tochilin ’06 as its 126th president.Tochilin, a second-year student at the Law School, is currently pursuing an M.B.A. at Harvard Business School in addition to a law degree.Tochilin said that he hopes that serving as president of the Law Review will allow him to combine his interests in business and law.“Because I have a law and business background, I felt like it would be a fun management challenge in addition to immersing myself in the legal scholarship,” he said.Tochilin said that his duties as president will include both an editorial component, which involves a careful reading of articles and making substantive memos, and a management component, which includes overseeing a staff of 88 editors on the Law Review and spearheading new initiatives and long-term projects.Tochilin was chosen from a pool of 14 candidates in an election process that lasted eight hours, the departing president Mitchell Reich said.

THis is field of quicksand that every one has an opinion on and interprets everything their way.

Bottom line his grades were of note and that alone would qualify him for membership on the review.
The other members of the review for that year and
AND the review board select the president of the HLR.

Out of 14 members themembers and the board after round and roundlasting hours elected Barak Obama to be the manager/president for that year. This was probably heavily influenced by his prior to law school experience in organization and leadership of divers people.

He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree.

So as a counter to the back biters who have reasons I do not to take or make every opportunity to put Pres. Obama down and try to discredit him,

I put forth that the final decision between him and the other last standing candidate for Pres. of the HLR went to Barak Obama based on his excellent management experience in his work as a community organizer.

[ChaseKenyon]

apologies to the OP
for "Forking" the thread.

Maybe it should be the start of a new thread to expose some of the Yonv Gisi (bear crap) my GOP is throwing out on the media waves.

[bobbys]

from which we get:



One would think that a paper in Boston the same place where Harvard is,would at least be aware of how the Harvard Law Review operates and if not find out.

For the following reasons I have to discredit the entire article and it it's writer.










The above comment and it's use as the basis for this persons "opinion" are grossly a fabrication that has not even checked on who elects the HLR president and how the person is chosen.




from the HLR website



repeating the process to be elected President of the HLR (which is a management position). The potus was a magna cum laude student.

THis is field of quicksand that every one has an opinion on and interprets everything their way.

Bottom line his grades were of note and that alone would qualify him for membership on the review.
The other members of the review for that year and
AND the review board select the president of the HLR.

Out of 14 members themembers and the board after round and roundlasting hours elected Barak Obama to be the manager/president for that year. This was probably heavily influenced by his prior to law school experience in organization and leadership of divers people.


So as a counter to the back biters who have reasons I do not to take or make every opportunity to put Pres. Obama down and try to discredit him,

I put forth that the final decision between him and the other last standing candidate for Pres. of the HLR went to Barak Obama based on his excellent management experience in his work as a community organizer.

.

What does this have to do with the tomahawking of Miss wintersrpingsummerfall?

[ChaseKenyon]

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What does this have to do with the tomahawking of Miss wintersrpingsummerfall?

obviously you have not clicked on the link and read the article.

So that and we can talk in a common language till then I can't hear you.

[ChrisBen]

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What does this have to do with the tomahawking of Miss wintersrpingsummerfall?

Bobbys, O Bobbys, that nitwit knows not what he speaks of.

[leikec]

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What's Ms. Warren's Batting average this year?

She's still in the box, and she puts the ball in play. We'll have to see if Mr. Brown can play defense.

Jeff C

[Donn]

She's still in the box, and she puts the ball in play. We'll have to see if Mr. Brown can play defense.

Jeff C

Who is on the mound? Hopefully it isn't an Indian pitcher.

[wardd]

ya know the obama care bill brown voted against, well guess who's 23 year old daughter is on who's health care

[Ian McColgin]

And it's fine by me that he uses it even if he's against it, just as it's ok for a person to take tax deductions that he or she is also working to end. You play by the rules even as you try to change them.

The thing that Brown does not seem to get is how what would be a mild financial inconvenience if the law went back to what it was for the Brown family is a very serious problem for many others.

My family was far from poor but when I was graduated from college, I was off Dad's insurance and as a theology graduate student I sure wasn't getting any that way. Which is why I got dental care from Harvard Dental School and mostly hoped nothing bad would happen.

[bobbys]

obviously you have not clicked on the link and read the article.

So that and we can talk in a common language till then I can't hear you.

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I Come in peace.

Do not speak with forked tongue.

I honor The great White/black father.

[skipper68]

I have personally emailed the White House, that they are not WARDS of the USA. Nuff said. Carry on.

[Meli]

Okay, tell me what the issue is here: was it not acknowledging her heritage to some one? that she has indian blood, that you feel that she got preference getting a position? sorry disconnect here.
growing up, I learned that my ggrandfather's middle name was Proudfoot...sounds Indian right? I was thrilled that I had a wee bit of Native Indian running through my veins. Then the let down: proudfoot is an old English name, not Native American. A real bummer!

Proudfoot! sounds Hobbitian to me

OOPS maybe I should read the thread

[bobbys]

Another 'nontroversy', blown up to look as if it's somehow significant. 'Hate-filled' doesn't begin to really describe Howie Carr.

We'll go through several dozen MORE of these before election day... you can count on it.

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Go to the Search function, type in Sarah Palin/ Norman Bernstein and see how many threads you started .

[Ian McColgin]

And why did Paul Revere ride to warn the British?

Point being, the purpose of this thread, based with the OP coming from a bile-laden column rather than from a news article, was clearly to troll for liberal embarrassment. But, so sad to say, the story was nothing but a Brown campaign plant based on a series of falsehoods about Warren's hiring - really typical Republican race-baiting not quite as low as promoting 9-9-9 boffoonery but down and close - that is backfiring badly.

The facts have been set out rather sedately. Further rightie efforts to recover by deflection and denial are not working.

[David G]

We heard from a Bad Baptist, Bain Capital, Reps peeing, Romney a few dozen times, Attack ads but how did Norm miss this one about Ms.Warren.

http://bostonherald.com/news/columni...eid=1061128614

[Concordia 33]

Ah, were folk to read something other than the barely literate hate filled Howie, they'd know a couple of things, like:

Ms Warren is proud of what she'd been told of her heritage, mentioned it casually, it got into a directory long before she ever taught at Harvard, had no part in her hiring, and was trotted out by some grubby AA padding administrator when they were criticized for not having "enough" minority profs; and

Yes, at least one great grandmother is Cherokee.

Senator Brown started this silly bit but from a campaign gotcha point of view, he started it too early, giving curious geneologists a chance to find the truth and for the conservative folk who hired her to Harvard to say essentially, "I didn't know she had any Native American in her." Meanwhile Brown keeps saying that it's all very suspicious, which he's been saying for too long and he's erroding his support.

So it's all good.

All true, but she also claimed native american status on college applications without the appropriate documentation. A no-no for Native Americans even when they are 1/32 Native American. Her own campaign committee had to ask for independent documentation to verify her status.

[Ian McColgin]

" . . . she also claimed native american status on college applications without the appropriate documentation." [#43]

I really looked through public sourses and I could find no indication that this is true. There are some right wing blogs that speculate but even they admit that they don't have a document. What is known is that for a directory Warren mentioned family lore about Native American ancestry - lore we now know to be true, independently verified - as a point of interest and we've learned that this was years later utilized by Harvard Law to counter charges of deficiency in the AA biz. BFD.

It's really reckless trolling to repeat accusations that are known to be baseless.

I think half the beef here is Warren's evolution. Read her bio and you'll see that she was really a dutifully conservative goody-two-shoes trying to settle into a comfy spot in the establishment when she started her research on bankruptcy, with all the prejudices against individual bankruptcy that that entailed. What she learned about the victims facing individual bankruptcy and the cynical corruption of corporations using bankruptcy to stiff employees for management profit turned her to centerist liberal. And that apostacy is the reason the right really hates her.

[Norman Bernstein]

All true, but she also claimed native american status on college applications without the appropriate documentation.

1) Was a crime committed?

2) Was she being truthful about her heritage?

[Concordia 33]

" . . . she also claimed native american status on college applications without the appropriate documentation." [#43]

I didn't know that ABC news was useful for trolling

“For years, Harvard has claimed special minority status for Professor Elizabeth Warren as a member of a Native American tribe and their first minority hire,” said Jim Barnett, campaign manager for Brown. “That Warren allowed Harvard to hold her up as an example of their commitment to diversity in the hiring of historically disadvantaged communities is an insult to all Americans who have suffered real discrimination and mistreatment, and Warren should apologize for participating in this hypocritical sham.”Warren, who has not provided any documentation on her Native American heritage, said she is “proud” of her lineage.

Elizabeth Warren is under fire for reports she claimed status as a minority lawyer based on a far-back blood connection to the Cherokee line.The Boston Globe reported that the Democratic candidate challenger to Scott Brown in the Senate race in Massachusetts self-identified as a minority from 1986 to 1995, though she has no recent Native American family.Genealogist at the New England Historic Genealogical Society Chris Child set out to hunt down Warren’s ancestry last Thursday. In less than a week, he discovered documents citing an 1894 marriage record that lists Warren’s great-great-great grandmother, O. C. Sarah Smith as Cherokee, meaning that Warren is 1/32^nd Native American.Child said roots like these can take anywhere from weeks to months to track down, depending on the twists and turns of the family trees.“Once you go back further than 150 years the records are more complicated to go through,” Child said.For example, that great-great-great grandma of Warren’s also goes by the name “Neoma” or “Oma” in some records. Child said it’s not unusual to find individuals listed under several different names at that time period.The story kicked off Friday when the Boston Herald reported on an article that ran in the Harvard Crimson in 1996 about students’ concerns regarding a lack of diversity among the school’s faculty. In the story, Warren, who serves as the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard’s Law School, was cited as Native American. Warren’s identification as Native American pre-dates her time at Harvard.Law School directories from the Association of American Law Schools from 1986-1995 list Warren as a minority law professor. During this time Warren taught at the University of Texas School of Law and the University of Pennsylvania Law School.Though Warren reportedly said last week that she was proud of her heritage, she makes no mention of her ancestry during a profile of her childhood made by the Boston Globe. The reporter who wrote that story said he did not remember her mentioning anything about her Native American roots. Though he said in an email it was possible that he had forgotten, he thought it was “unlikely that she brought it up.”

[Ian McColgin]

Concordia33, I do not see in the cites you provide any mention that "she also claimed native american status on college applications . . . " If you invented this, just let us know, but it seems that even the vituperative and factually casual Carr has been careful not to spread that particular story.

[S.V. Airlie]

Ian.. Depending if people have vetted this source of course, if Ms warren puts on her application Native American and Brown accepts it as proof (her word on it) someone wasn't paying attention as in verification, or someone is playing games with the system. As I said, I would love to have my ggrandfather have a middle name of Proudfoot. To me it sounded Indian and for years, I believed it.I almost could see me putting it on my college application because I believed it. What tribe is Ms. Warren associated with. Has the tribe verified her statement? Tribe elders would know I suspect, if she is a native American or not II'm not saying she is wrong or right but...

[Bob Smalser]

Yes, at least one great grandmother is Cherokee.

My ass. You apologists need to get real.

Before the government recognizes you as a "disabled veteran", you have to be awarded a 30% disability from the Veteran's Administration.

The requirement for enrollment with Native American tribes varies, but it's a helluva lot more than an 1894 rumor that an ancestor from circa 1750 had Cherokee blood.

This slimeball gamed the system to be more competitive for employment until she got what she wanted, then tried to cover it up. Today her excuse is she only lied because she wanted to attract Native American friends. What a laugh.

[Ian McColgin]

Ah Bob, Warren herself always called it family lore and is no doubt delighted that some geneologist bothered to find out for sure - almost as good as having a Mormon in the family if one wants to find out where in Scotland one's lawless and (in my case) low-life ancestors came from. But as you know from reading the news, it is simply untrue to claim that she "gamed the system." There are plenty of things true conservatives - and even more things right wing ideologues - can object to in Ms Warren but not her story. Her life is the classic American story of hard work, talent and brains finding success.