Another topic and issue from my FaceBook for DISCUSSION, not knee jerking please.

[ChaseKenyon]

THis came in on my feeds and I felt compelled to respond tho who did not make it past laughter.

So here it is and my response to it and the comments.

It looks like the Tea Party posters I saw here in Manchester and Concord NH. THis is something we all should be scared by. It is a sad demonstration proving that a large percentage of the population are functionally illiterate. If they can not watch a video about it they can not know about it.

The problem starts when many of them flock to listening and watching shows and news channels with a goal of controlling the zeitgeist of their viewers and listeners. Shows similar to Rush and some of the doyens at FOX and other stations, and the totally unsubstantiated drivel that comes out of their presentations is often blindly accepted as truth by the aforesaid functional illiterates.

One of the games they play, FOX and others, is to have one of the commentators say something as outrageous as Glen Beck's foaming at the mouth drivel. THen the mid afternoon "news" show at a time of day with the lowest audience covers people are saying and so on. Then the famous prime time shows of the Doyens' bring it up as a topic "today in the news" and they repeat the "Beckish" drivel as a truth in the news.

Through these mechanisms and others of similar prevarication the illiterate are totally controlled in what the do, say , accept as absolute truth and then vote for.

Before some of you from the far right go bat$$it on me, remember I have been a registered member of the republican party since since 1969. I was a very active (local level) party member until I was disabled and had the time to read Bob Woodward's trilogy about the Bush presidency and other good factually researched books on current politics.

I was an active GOP member for 36 years. I have now been watching from the sidelines and doing a lot of independent research. I have the time for this that few of us get a chance at.

So With 42 years of GOP faith in this country and its working people I have had to in the last 6 years question every detail the GOP elected members an candidates spout or show.

When I see signs like this, which even the "Free Staters" (here in their chosen home state--I was here for same reasons 20 plus years ahead of them) would not allow as being embarrassing at any of their rallies or protests or other meetings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_state_project

http://freestateproject.org/


I am hoping that we can have an open discussion of the issue. I have started with where I stand and I have less use for the religious fanatics than Barry Goldwater did. Other than that I would consider myself as fiscally conservative and socially progressive. I am for Unions for exactly the same reasons Ike and Ronald Reagan were.

[Rich Jones]

You speak with reason, therefore you have no place in the modern Republican party. Sad, but true.
Obama would welcome you.

[2MeterTroll]

Well Mr. Polymath. You know where i stand on politics. I dont actually care if folks can spell as long as folks can clearly think. many in this country could not spell read write or do most things academic for a large part of 200 years. However most could listen to opinions and form one themselves that was somewhat informed.

Sadly this is no longer the case; for many life has become far more complex than they can handle. many of the tea baggers i have spoken to are for the most part scared to death that what little grasp they once had is slipping and the information they get is correct because these news folks are supposed to tell the truth.

Erica and I decided to sign up for political party information; republican, democrat, libertarian, green party. Each of these groups is very tightly controlled, the "facts" are spun in such a way that the issues are clear with precise edges. the groups formed to spread this information tend to exclude any dissenters. Soon all of the information consumed in a day comes from only those sources the party supports.

democrat/ republican are masters at this and are large enough to be all over the place. So much so that these parties have had to make programs that are exclusive to the hard core supporter.
basically what we have is politics that have become religion, add actual religion to it and you have uncritical obedience.

[ChaseKenyon]

Well Mr. Polymath. You know where i stand on politics. I dont actually care if folks can spell as long as folks can clearly think. many in this country could not spell read write or do most things academic for a large part of 200 years. However most could listen to opinions and form one themselves that was somewhat informed.

Sadly this is no longer the case; for many life has become far more complex than they can handle. many of the tea baggers i have spoken to are for the most part scared to death that what little grasp they once had is slipping and the information they get is correct because these news folks are supposed to tell the truth. Unfortunately the truth is hard to find without advanced skills and even education (formal and self). It's hard enough to find when you and I go looking for it each in our own way.

Erica and I decided to sign up for political party information; republican, democrat, libertarian, green party. Each of these groups is very tightly controlled, the "facts" are spun in such a way that the issues are clear with precise edges. the groups formed to spread this information tend to exclude any dissenters. Soon all of the information consumed in a day comes from only those sources the party supports.
\I get a lot of conservative and libertarian input from "Free State". I do fact check the US of A news that I watch listen and read. I use a lot of international sources to find the extremes and the balance of what the rest of the world is seeing. I am gravely concerned about how the Bush years took us back to the 60's "bad Americans view most other country's people had of us. It did not work in 1940s to have an isolationist plan for our country. Proven. Now we have a world economy and a world population and a world multinational Zeitgeist. So ou watch the gangs here in North america and I'll go to my overseas feeds.

democrat/ republican are masters at this and are large enough to be all over the place. So much so that these parties have had to make programs that are exclusive to the hard core supporter.
basically what we have is politics that have become religion, add actual religion to it and you have uncritical obedience.

I agree the worst that Ike warned us about has happened. The worst that Goldwater warned us about has happened. And so on. We have a political culture of rewriting history with out even learning what what was. In the 50s the world still held us in high esteem for ending WWII. I think and it is well documented by my international feeds that we right now and attributed (no matter what the GOP claims) specifically to Barak and Hillary. Not by me but by the world at large.


Glad you are back Buddy.

[2MeterTroll]

Happy to be back 8) now we are all moved I should be able to send you off our new phone number and address A bit of news as well that i think will be welcome.

[bobbys]

Well Mr. Polymath. You know where i stand on politics. I dont actually care if folks can spell as long as folks can clearly think. many in this country could not spell read write or do most things academic for a large part of 200 years. However most could listen to opinions and form one themselves that was somewhat informed.

Sadly this is no longer the case; for many life has become far more complex than they can handle. many of the tea baggers i have spoken to are for the most part scared to death that what little grasp they once had is slipping and the information they get is correct because these news folks are supposed to tell the truth.

Erica and I decided to sign up for political party information; republican, democrat, libertarian, green party. Each of these groups is very tightly controlled, the "facts" are spun in such a way that the issues are clear with precise edges. the groups formed to spread this information tend to exclude any dissenters. Soon all of the information consumed in a day comes from only those sources the party supports.

democrat/ republican are masters at this and are large enough to be all over the place. So much so that these parties have had to make programs that are exclusive to the hard core supporter.
basically what we have is politics that have become religion, add actual religion to it and you have uncritical obedience.

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You must have not gotten the memo we do not use "teabaggers" or "libtards".

[2MeterTroll]

So how do the folks refer to them selves out west like you are? Folks introduce them selves as tea baggers and have tea bags attached to hats etc. i am not arguing with them. but OK what is the proper term for these folks?

[PeterSibley]

That sign is a problem, making mistakes and having poor spelling skills is not a crime, in fact many of us have those problems .What is surprising is that it wasn't picked up by the writer or his/ her companions. It's pretty obvious, even to a primary school level reader.

There is lot behind that photo, none of it fun.

On a positive note he spells phonetically.

[RodSBT]

Come on, guys.
The sign says "speak English", not spell it!

[bobbys]

That sign is a problem, making mistakes and having poor spelling skills is not a crime, in fact many of us have those problems .What is surprising is that it wasn't picked up by the writer or his/ her companions. It's pretty obvious, even to a primary school level reader.

There is lot behind that photo, none of it fun.

On a positive note he spells phonetically.

.;

I already caught a lib using a photo shopped pic here.

[PeterSibley]

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I already caught a lib using a photo shopped pic here.

Are you suggesting that sign is Photoshopped ?

[PeterSibley]

Well Chase, no one wanted to touch this one .

[ChaseKenyon]

Well Chase, no one wanted to touch this one .

chikan' gisi every one of them.