2nd Ammendment At Work

[Bob Adams]

One need not have a gun to feel threatened and stand his ground. Maybe Martin felt he was in danger because he was being followed. Florida law lets him stand his ground and attack the one following him, no?

No.

[wardd]

One need not have a gun to feel threatened and stand his ground. Maybe Martin felt he was in danger because he was being followed. Florida law lets him stand his ground and attack the one following him, no?

you can only stand your ground if you have a gun, otherwise you're threatening a law abiding gun carrying citizen

[Bob Adams]

you can only stand your ground if you have a gun, otherwise you're threatening a law abiding gun carrying citizen

Are you such a jerk on non gun related issues also?

[wardd]

Are you such a jerk on non gun related issues also?

i'm not anti gun per se having had them as a kid but i see no social good from the recent mania for carrying them all the time to all places

[Bob Adams]

OK, nice lucid reasoned response. What happened in 71?

[wardd]

OK, nice lucid reasoned response. What happened in 71?

give a hint

[wardd]

something over 3/4 of wardd's responses are line #71 I believe ... as a result, it's hard to take him seriously

i have that same problem with you

[Bob Adams]

give a hint

"you can only stand your ground if you have a gun, otherwise you're threatening a law abiding gun carrying citizen"

[wardd]

"you can only stand your ground if you have a gun, otherwise you're threatening a law abiding gun carrying citizen"

it's a jab at the paranoid gun clutching set

i've lived my entire life without the need of a gun for protection, most people do

on very rare occasions i'll admit to where one was or could have been handy but i see it as a numbers game and i see guns in the hands of most people as a societal detrement

[Shang]

Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
the only way to prevent crime is with a gun
why would you say that... is there a message for us? [/quote]

I dunno...I'm beginning to like the "Concealed Baseball Bat" approach.
Besides, consider what it could do for a guy's social life if he had a baseball bat tucked in his pants. "Is that a baseball bat in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?"

[wardd]

you might convince more people if you didn't religate everyone you disagree with to that "paranoid gun clutching set" epithet you fire off in various directions. if you act like an a$$ ho** then maybe you are one

i've been called that by the very best people

[wardd]

and yet, you seem to remain clueless

you confuse clueless with indifference to those that aren't important to me

[wardd]

if you are indifferent, why have you taken up so much time and space on this thread? you never seem to run out of foolish sounding comments

there are some whose opinions about the subjects i respect and not all of them i agree with

[Norman Bernstein]

In a nation of some 97 million households, about half of
which own one or more firearms, is a rate of defensive gun use (DGU)
which amounts to about 1.4% per year an unreasonably high figure?
A study undertaken by a group led by criminologist Dr. Gary Kleck of
Florida State University found that there are approximately 2.1 to 2.5
million instances annually in which individual Americans use a gun to
defend themselves.

Absurd. Ridiculous. Totally bogus.

We've been through this before. Common sense alone would tell you that this can't possible be true. If it were, then every single one of us would be personally aware of numerous incidents of defensive gun use. Just compare the adult population numbers with the supposed number above and THINK about it. If the number were true, then every single America adult would be defending themselves with a gun at least once in their lifetimes, andeveryone you've known for 30-40 years would have defended themselves with a gun. If that isn't true, then it must mean that every gun owner OFTEN defends himself with a gun..... insane bulls$%t. I don't know a single person, nor have I EVEr known a single person, who has defended themselves with a gun.

This kind of stuff was spewed by John Lott years ago, and has been debunked many times..... the real number? Around 50,000 per year, about the same number as gun deaths. Do a little research on this, from an objective source.

I am NOT making this post with ANY sort of anti-gun agenda.... I'm not opposed to gun ownershipe for self defense, at all. I'm posting it because I really HATE it when hyperbole is used to try to make a point.

[Norman Bernstein]

Norman... are you limiting to the actual discharge of the guns?

Not at all.... I am definately including defenses by threatening, but not discharging, a gun... it only makes the numbers even MORE ludicrous.

[htom]

Absurd. Ridiculous. Totally bogus.

...babble stricken ...

I don't know a single person, nor have I EVEr known a single person, who has defended themselves with a gun.

Liar. Or are you claiming that I'm a liar? Or do you want to skate on "not knowing me", or that you know multiple people who've done so?

[stevebaby]

If even the lower figure of "2.1 million" defensive gun uses were accurate, then as Australia has a population 1/15 of the US, we should have 1/15 the number of defensive gun uses i.e 140,000 per year. Since we don't carry guns for self defence, those non occurring defensive uses should be an extra 140,000 deaths or serious injuries a year, or 383 extra deaths or serious injuries a DAY.
But we don't. We don't even have that many murders in a year.
It's s lie.

[coopercdrkey]

are there conditions attached under which it is permitted to carry a weapon and when it's not permitted?

In Florida, yes, absolutely. From the Florida Concealed Carry web site:

Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing. any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05 any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse any courtroom* any polling place any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms any school administration building any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption* any elementary or secondary school facility any area technical center any college or university facility* inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport* any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

[Ron Williamson]

In Florida, yes, absolutely. From the Florida Concealed Carry web site:

Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing. any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05 any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse any courtroom* any polling place any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms any school administration building any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption* any elementary or secondary school facility any area technical center any college or university facility* inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport* any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

This type of restriction is why I think that the American constitutional 'right' to keep and bear arms is so silly.
It is only a 'right' if the authorities say it is.
R

[Phillip Allen]

I quite agree. That law is unconstitutional.

we have lots of unconstitutional laws... aimed at people control or course

[Phillip Allen]

here is a legal trick to avoid/minimize having the constitutionality of any law challenged

Legal Standing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_%28law%29

[ccmanuals]

Wonder what direction this conversation would have gone if the unknown permit holder turned out to be an off duty police officer?

[Bob Adams]

Liar. Or are you claiming that I'm a liar? Or do you want to skate on "not knowing me", or that you know multiple people who've done so?

He doesn't know me either, I've had to use my handgun twice in defense.

[wardd]

I thought you served in Vietnam? I read that for a time you kept one handy until someone lost their head and went screaming down the hallway and you grabbed it and almost shot him but you didn't feel the need for a gun for protection there?

i felt that having it so handy and waking from sleep didn't mix under the circumstances

it wasn't like i was on the perimeter all the time, that was another matter

[wardd]

So if/when you were on the green line that would have been a moment in your life when YOU DID need one?

but then it would have been ok to shoot at someone, see the difference?

don't shoot at people in the tent, shoot at people trying to cross the wire

[Canoeyawl]

Wonder what direction this conversation would have gone if the unknown permit holder turned out to be an off duty police officer?

We should assume that he was.

(And that he is undercover, and our socialist tax policy is paying his salary, and that we will never know who he is).

[wardd]

Your entire life except when you needed one?

so even you understand, my civilian life

though i did have to shoot a fighting cock once that was attacking my mothers dog

[Canoeyawl]

This morning I shot a Gopher that was attacking my wife's Bougainvillea

[wardd]

This morning I shot a Gopher that was attacking my wife's Bougainvillea

so you stood your ground as the gopher can't give it's version

[Canoeyawl]

He was eating the Bougainvillea, not Skittles

[JimD]

so you stood your ground as the gopher can't give it's version

no witnesses, no crime.

[wardd]

you better read "Lord of the flies."

saw the movie

is civilization coming apart?