George Zimmerman lied to the court

[htom]

It doesn't make a lot of financial sense to mortgage the family home for $10k to pay a bondsman when you know you've got $200k in a PayPal account. Why not take the $15k from the PayPal account, instead of $5k? Perhaps when bail was set the account had little or nothing, it grew to (say) $6k when it was time to pay the bondsman, and has now grown to $200K? The opening story is very sloppy on the timeline.

[David G]

It doesn't make a lot of financial sense to mortgage the family home for $10k to pay a bondsman when you know you've got $200k in a PayPal account. Why not take the $15k from the PayPal account, instead of $5k? Perhaps when bail was set the account had little or nothing, it grew to (say) $6k when it was time to pay the bondsman, and has now grown to $200K? The opening story is very sloppy on the timeline.

Just so. As is often the case, we have too little firm info to render a judgement... but we strain to fill in the gaps in ways to fit our worldviews. I, for instance, am inclined to credit the notion that Z lied. But I REALLY don't know for sure yet.

[B_B]

I, for instance, am inclined to credit the notion that Z lied. But I REALLY don't know for sure yet.

Sure you do. He did not tell the judge about the paypal account. He did not tell his lawyer about the paypal account so his lawyer could tell the judge.

If there was $5,000 or $5million in the paypal account is irrelevant. When you are asked what assets are in your control and you forget to mention you'd just started an internet begging site which had garnered at least $5,000 in donations, then you've lied.

The only question to be decided, by a judge, is whether this lie was omission or commission.

[David G]

Sure you do. He did not tell the judge about the paypal account. He did not tell his lawyer about the paypal account so his lawyer could tell the judge.

If there was $5,000 or $5million in the paypal account is irrelevant. When you are asked what assets are in your control and you forget to mention you'd just started an internet begging site which had garnered at least $5,000 in donations, then you've lied.

The only question to be decided, by a judge, is whether this lie was omission or commission.

Nope. Too quick. Too many gaps. Too much unconfirmed rumor. In the end... you may be right. As I said... it wouldn't surprise me. But the reed is far too frail yet to lean so confidently upon it.

[B_B]

Nope. Too quick. Too many gaps. Too much unconfirmed rumor. In the end... you may be right. As I said... it wouldn't surprise me. But the reed is far too frail yet to lean so confidently upon it.

Zimmerman's own lawyer says Zimmerman did not disclose the paypal account to him or the judge during the bail hearing.
Zimmerman took money from the account to pay some of his bail.

That you think this is 'unconfirmed rumor' is something I cannot help you with.

Zimmerman collected about $204,000 in donations through the website, but did not disclose the contributions during his bond hearing last week, according to his attorney, Mark O'Mara.

About $5,000 from the website contribution was used in making bond, O'Mara said.

The above are quoted from a story linked to by Donn earlier in this thread.

[David G]

Zimmerman's own lawyer says Zimmerman did not disclose the paypal account to him or the judge during the bail hearing.
Zimmerman took money from the account to pay some of his bail.

That you think this is 'unconfirmed rumor' is something I cannot help you with.




The above are quoted from a story linked to by Donn earlier in this thread.

Granted. There was that story.

And yet... there are inconsistencies still.

I'm simply not inclined to form even a tentative judgement until the dust settles a bit more. YMMV

[B_B]

there are inconsistencies still.

What is inconsistent with the two facts as presented by Zimmerman's attorney?

[Phillip Allen]

It doesn't make a lot of financial sense to mortgage the family home for $10k to pay a bondsman when you know you've got $200k in a PayPal account. Why not take the $15k from the PayPal account, instead of $5k? Perhaps when bail was set the account had little or nothing, it grew to (say) $6k when it was time to pay the bondsman, and has now grown to $200K? The opening story is very sloppy on the timeline.

I thought of that pretty quick... I also suspect the ones yelling liar did too

I imagine Z's life is pretty muddled right now and it's hard to think through all the stimuli coming at him... much easier for the hate mongers to set back and calmly call out "liar"

[Mrleft8]

I gotta say that if I was essentially indigent, and suddenly I had a paypal acct. with $6K-$200K in it, I would remember it if someone asked me what my assets were....

[Phillip Allen]

I gotta say that if I was essentially indigent, and suddenly I had a paypal acct. with $6K-$200K in it, I would remember it if someone asked me what my assets were....

I'm not so sure, Doug. It would (for a while) not seem real... it would take some getting used to

note that the same posters trying to defame Z now are the ones wanting him lynched some weeks ago... if itwalks like a duck, etc

[Mrleft8]

I'd say that Zimmerman is the one who's walking like a duck......

[Phillip Allen]

I'd say that Zimmerman is the one who's walking like a duck......

I'm willing to wait and see

[S.V. Airlie]

On CNN, one of the media groups you have vetted as being acceptable by the libs. A lawyer commented on the fact that bail was made/set for various reasons which do not necessarily relate to the bail amount. Flight risk comes to mind.The chance of Harming others and/or harming himself, or being killed by someone else also come to mind. Being indigent or not, it's not the entire reason that bail was set at 150,000.

[Mrleft8]

What?

[Mrleft8]

On CNN, one of the media groups you have vetted as being acceptable by the libs. A lawyer commented on the fact that bail was made/set for various reasons which do not necessarily relate to the bail amount. Flight risk comes to mind.The chance of Harming others and/or harming himself, or being killed by someone else also come to mind. Being indigent or not, it's not the entire reason that bail was set at 150,000.

At least make an effort to make sense Jamie..... It's way too early in the day to try to unravel your pretzel logic.

[wardd]

At least make an effort to make sense Jamie..... It's way too early in the day to try to unravel your pretzel logic.

it's way too early to ask him to make sense

[wardd]

insulting... did you intend that as an insult?

no way, i was sticking up for him and his right to post as much gibberish as he wants

i will admit your gibberish is more readable, keep up the good work

[David G]

it's way too early to ask him to make sense

No... I'd say it's way too LATE. Those days are past, unfortunately.

[David G]

And why would that be? (Stupid people like me do not understand erudite comments so yo need to explain - if you can.)

I don't really know why. Did I imply that I did? Maybe SV knows. You could ask him.

[S.V. Airlie]

it's way too early to ask him to make sense

And all you do is C&P as you couldn't post anything in your own words that would make sense either wart. You have to C&P. Otherwise....And doug to make it clear for you not being a morning person: Bail is not determined only by being an indigent. There are other factors that are considered in determining bail.There, happy now? Go back to bed, it's not noon yet..

[wardd]

And all you do is C&P as you couldn't post anything in your own words that would make sense either wart. You have to C&P. Otherwise....And doug to make it clear for you not being a morning person: Bail is not determined only by being an indigent. There are other factors that are considered in determining bail.There, happy now? Go back to bed, it's not noon yet..

if someone has already said what i want to say, why reinvent the wheel

[S.V. Airlie]

Because you are lazy.Wardd.

[wardd]

Because you are lazy.Wardd.

yup, the easiest way is the best way

[S.V. Airlie]

Good to know wardd. Jumping off a cliff to reach the bottom is certainly easier than taking the trail By all means, jump. It is the easiest and best way as you say.I expect to hear your name mentioned when the Darwin awards are announced.

[wardd]

Good to know wardd. Jumping off a cliff to reach the bottom is certainly easier than taking the trail By all means, jump. It is the easiest and best way as you say.I expect to hear your name mentioned when the Darwin awards are announced.

jamie have you ever considered leaving your brain to science or one of those oddest things in the world museums?

[S.V. Airlie]

The local hospital only requested yours. Maybe it was the Natural History Museum actally, so, no. There is a museum full of oddities in Philly. It asked me to be on the look out for a half duck half man oddity. I had better call them one back and say I might have found one.

[wardd]

The local hospital only requested yours. Maybe it was the Natural History Museum actally, so, no. There is a museum full of oddities in Philly. It asked me to be on the look out for a half duck half man oddity. I had better call them one back and say I might have found one.

this is really cleaver

[Tom Montgomery]

who is missing from this thread?

the originator?

It seems to me someone who represents himself as being nearly indigent to the court but who actually has access to hundreds of thousands of dollars (and manages to spend 50 grand on "living expenses" only one week after being released from jail) would qualify as a flight risk.

YMMV

[John Smith]

Phillip just forget it. In the world of horses, there is a term "they have the bit in their teeth" and their minds are made up.

I don't see anyone here posting that their minds are made up except you. You seem to believe Zimmerman did not lie. Others are simply pointing out that he likely did so.

I'm sure it will all come out in due time.

[John Smith]

You're absolutely right of course: if you don't know you have money, when you really do, it's not dishonest to say you have no money. I assume -- and I could be wrong-- that Zimmerman knew of the donations, but kept quiet.

For the records, I don't think I am losing my mind

Again, I could be wrong

I'll wait and see. I'm still waiting for someone to look at this incident as trayvon feeling threatened and standing his ground.

[S.V. Airlie]

Boy, there are a lot of judges in the courtroom today..Who needs facts? The real judge for the case doesn't need to even show up. Maybe, he will go fishing instead.

[S.V. Airlie]

I don't see anyone here posting that their minds are made up except you. You seem to believe Zimmerman did not lie. Others are simply pointing out that he likely did so.

I'm sure it will all come out in due time.

I have an open mind, few here appear to. In an earlier post, I said WAIT FOR THE JUDGE. I stand by that. I hope I'm clear enough for you.

[Tom Montgomery]

Settle down. There are no judges here and this is no court room. We are simply citizens with opinions.

[Tom Montgomery]

want to know what I think about when I see one of this forum's lynch mobs show up?
look here... don't forget to actually read it!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...105229769.html

Sheesh...

don't like it... don't join lynch mobs!

A few people express similar opinions with which you don't agree and you characterize them as a "lynch mob" and compound such nonsense by equating opinions expressed on an Internet forum to the L.A. Riots.

Absurd and silly.

[wardd]

why do you have to be so insulting to Jamie?

at least i call him jamie

[wardd]

that makes you so much better than all the rest.

i'm glad you feel that way

[S.V. Airlie]

Actually, I'd be happy if you don't call me Jamie at all. Calling me by my first name, not my formal one, suggests we like each other and have something in common. We don't, I don't know you. In fact I don't want to. Stick with Airlie.

[S.V. Airlie]

Airlie,

Either one strikes me as better than what they call me: "stupid and ignorant," or on a good day inf they are feeling charitable, STIFF1, or TANSTIFF

Just goes to show they don't have much in the way of any imagination really.Both words are overly used and abused. Reading them no longer has the same impact on me when they use them. Hey, when I taught school, I'd tell my students that if I ever used the "F" word in class, watch out. I used it once..Could have heard a pin drop because they knew I meant it when I said it..

[Tom Montgomery]

Just goes to show they don't have much in the way of any imagination really. Both words ["stupid" and "ignorant"] are overly used and abused. Reading them no longer has the same impact on me when they use them.

Yep, I hear you. That's why I opted for "absurd" and "silly."