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    More misleading sliminess from Romney --

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    As Democrats seek to hammer the point that Republican policies on contraception and reproductive rights are antithetical to the interests of women, Romney last week fired back by saying it’s Obama who’s waging the “real war on women” with his economic policies. In a line that he, his campaign and his surrogates repeated all week, Romney argued on the campaign trail that “92.3 percent of the job losses during the Obama years have been women.”


    The argument, while premised in an accurate statistic, is misleading and lacks important context. The early job losses during the recession mostly affected men as they were largely in areas of manufacturing and construction. Women suffered more as the recession fully hit as layoffs hit education and other professions. Now that the recovery is taking hold, men are returning to work sooner as those lost jobs come back at a quicker pace.


    “It’s a ridiculous and deeply misleading look at the economy,” Geithner said of Romney’s remark on NBC’s Meet The Press. “You saw the composition of those job losses change over the course of the recovery, but the president’s policies have been very focused on trying to ease the pain on working families.”


    “It’s a ridiculous way to look at the problem,” he said on ABC’s This Week. “And this is a political moment and you’re going to be seeing — just to borrow a line from Mario Cuomo — ‘You’re going to see a lot of politicians choose to campaign in fiction. But we have to govern in fact.’”
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    At the peak of employment, (Jan '08), there were 138,023,000 jobs in the U.S. When Bush left office, there were 132,837,0000 jobs.... a net loss of more than 5 million jobs in 13 months.

    Currently, there are 132,821,000 jobs, meaning that the net job loss under Obama has been about 6,000 jobs.

    So when Romney talks about 92.3% of the jobs loss, he's talking about only 5,500 jobs. 5,500 jobs might sound like a lot... but if you look at a month when Bush was in office (Jan '09, for example), when more than 800,000 jobs were lost, it's less than one percent of one month.

    Out of the total 5,0000,000 jobs lost, Romney is trying to make an issue out of the 5,500... or about 1/10th of 1 percent.

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    Default Re: Romney Campaigns in Fiction:Obama Governs in Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    At the peak of employment, (Jan '08), there were 138,023,000 jobs in the U.S. When Bush left office, there were 132,837,0000 jobs.... . . ..

    Currently, there are 132,821,000 jobs . . ..
    From where are you getting your employment numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TANSTAF1 View Post
    From where are you getting your employment numbers?
    Where would anyone get them from?

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics (bls.gov).

    Click on the dinosaur icon to the right of Payroll Employment and you can call up charts and tables for monthly change and net jobs.

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    I somehow don't think the women of the nation are going to buy into this. Contraception with no out of pocket cost IS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE FOR WOMEN. So if equal pay for equal work. Romney and Walker seem to be buddies, has anyone asked Romney how he feels about Walker's eliminating the right of a woman to sue for that equal pay?

    Most of the programs Ryan's budget will cut or cut out impact women.

    Let's face it, it is usually the woman is left raising the child, and she needs assistance for child care, food stamps, etc. The same people who would cut those programs, seem to feel the woman can do the job with less money than a man can.

    I have no crystal ball, and the dems have a track record of not taking my advice, but I believe they can use all of this to show just how uncompassionate the Republican Party is.

    I believe the "fairness" issue applies to more than just taxes.

    One can compare the Reagan Rule to the Buffet Rule, as they were similar. Then one can contrast both of them to the Romney/Ryan rule.
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    Twice I've received mailings from the Obama Campaign Office summarixzing ALL of the ACCOMPLISHMENTS of the Obama Admin over 3 years. The second mailing i ncluded a wallet-size card, which I now carry with me.

    One of my daughters visited a week ago and in a conversation about politics (I know she favors the Repub side) I handed the card to her. As she read down through the list, she commented in favbor of over half of the entries.

    Yet the Repubs keep asking "What has Obama done?

    Reason 741 why I have no respect for Romney, or any of his failed competitors.

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    Default Re: Romney Campaigns in Fiction:Obama Governs in Facts

    Thanks!

    I created this chart which I think better illustrates the numbers.


    Data extracted on: April 16, 2012 (9:19:15 AM)
    Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

    [img]http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk162/TANSTAF1/employment.png[/img]

    Can't get this to display. Apparently a 12 kb file is too big for the WBF.
    Last edited by TANSTAF1; 04-16-2012 at 08:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TANSTAF1 View Post
    Thanks!

    I created this chart which I think better illustrates the numbers.


    Yup, those are the same numbers I'm looking at.

    As you can plainly see, we are currently right back where we were in Februrary '09, which was Obama's first month in office. So when Romney talks about 'net job loss under Obama' he's talking about the difference between Feb '09 and today, which is a relatively small number. (At this point, we're probably back into the realm of net job gains.)

    Because the absolute number is realtively small (~5,000), Romney has switched to talk about percentages. 92.3% sounds like a big proportion, but a large percent of a small number is still a small number!

    By the first week of May, we will be talking about net job gains under Obama. Probably on the order of 80,000 to ~100,000.

    If you divide it out by non-government vs. government jobs, the data actually looks quite a lot better. Government jobs have decreased by a pretty large number (about ~500,000) while Obama was in office. (The 2010 census created a brief spike, but that has gone away now.)

    So that actually means that private sector jobs are up by about 500,000 since Obama took office.

    Most conservatives have difficulty processing this information. If they could, they probably wouldn't be conservatives.
    Last edited by ljb5; 04-16-2012 at 10:36 AM.

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