Out my window

[PaulT]

Workboats?...Please! And if you know what they actually do, please include that. Lots of interesting looking boats that I have no clue about.

Thanks:
PaulT

[ron ll]

Hey, I know that boat! She's the Deerleap and spends many summers near her, actually I pulled up along side her with a skiff last summer and the skipper gave us a few beers, we were out.

Altho Deerlap is a similar configuration, I think we have decided that this is actually "Discovery", despite my original guess.

[ron ll]

Workboats?...Please! And if you know what they actually do, please include that. Lots of interesting looking boats that I have no clue about.

Thanks:
PaulT

I'm far from an expert on knowing what they do. There are so many towboats (tugs) around this area that I kind of get immune to them. I'll see if I can just cover the major types. Henry Foss, pictured here, is a tractor tug. It has a cycloidal drive and 4,290 horsepower. The cycloidal drive allows it to work forward, backward, sideways, and spin on a dime. They are pretty amazing to watch in action. http://tugboatinformation.com/tug.cfm?id=1233

[BBSebens]

Two of these guys come into Bellingham to refuel. They are very impressive.

[TR]

I think that boat ended up not being allowed to race after the IR came in. The CCA limit for most big races was 73' on deck, if I recall correctly, and the IOR limit was a rating that was lower than Atlanta's. Now, of course, they have races for really big boats again, it it was more egalitarian age.

A bit garbled John , but close........Actually the boat in the picture, Atlanta, was originally called Ondine and was indeed built (mid 1960's) as a maxi under the CCA rule. She is 73'6" overall (though I believe that does not include the outboard rudder). The maximum rating under IOR was also 73' and Ondine and her sister Blackfin were both able to race as maxi raters under the IOR. A larger version called Southern Star (75'4" LOA) which was under construction at the introduction of the IOR rule(approx 1970), was too big to rate 73' and thus never raced IOR.

Ondine was built with two rudders, one on the trailing edge of her short keel and the other way aft in a slot (similar to a Drascombe Lugger). Eventually the outboard rudder was added and I believe recently Bob Perry designed a new outboard rudder as the primary and the original (forward) has become a trim tab at best.

[johnw]

A bit garbled John , but close........Actually the boat in the picture, Atlanta, was originally called Ondine and was indeed built (mid 1960's) as a maxi under the CCA rule. She is 73'6" overall (though I believe that does not include the outboard rudder). The maximum rating under IOR was also 73' and Ondine and her sister Blackfin were both able to race as maxi raters under the IOR. A larger version called Southern Star (75'4" LOA) which was under construction at the introduction of the IOR rule(approx 1970), was too big to rate 73' and thus never raced IOR.

Ondine was built with two rudders, one on the trailing edge of her short keel and the other way aft in a slot (similar to a Drascombe Lugger). Eventually the outboard rudder was added and I believe recently Bob Perry designed a new outboard rudder as the primary and the original (forward) has become a trim tab at best.

Thank you, I was thinking of Southern Star.

[John B]

Some googleing revealed this bit of Atalanta / Ondine history

http://www.angelfire.com/or/petermarsh/Atalanta.htm

and this guys flicka album.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/atalanta

[TR]

Nice links John.....but it puts me right off when someone refers to a boat as "it" and "The Ondine".....just ain't right......

[John B]

Heh, I agree with the 'it' but the ' The' has a long history of usage in front of boats/ ships names in this part of the world.

Damn colonials.

I couldn't help but think of ( The) New World when that Ondine/Atalanta discussion came up.

Ps. Thanks for the thread Ron , really interesting.

[ron ll]

I understand the need for these flying bridge structures in this climate, but to me they spoil the lines a bit.

[Bobcat]

I understand the need for these flying bridge structures in this climate, but to me they spoil the lines a bit.

Agreed I have never liked the look of the tophouse

[ron ll]

Agreed I have never liked the look of the tophouse

Probably makes their daily grind a little more comfortable, but I wonder about things like windage and righting moment. This one seems particularly top heavy.

[Garret]

A bit garbled John , but close........Actually the boat in the picture, Atlanta, was originally called Ondine

One of the Ondines (maybe # 1?) had 8 ft. added just forward of the mainmast step - supposedly between races & finished in about a week. She was aluminum I think. A guy I worked for skippered her on the SORC during the 70's & had some interesting stories.

[Bobcat]

Probably makes their daily grind a little more comfortable, but I wonder about things like windage and righting moment. This one seems particularly top heavy.

When you're working on the water it's function over form.

Years ago I read an article about pilothouse sailboats and remember the author saying: "You'll never see a professional waterman sitting in an open cockpit in the rain."

[SchoonerRat]

One of the Ondines (maybe # 1?) had 8 ft. added just forward of the mainmast step - supposedly between races & finished in about a week. She was aluminum I think. A guy I worked for skippered her on the SORC during the 70's & had some interesting stories.

Huey Long's Ondine was rebuilt in So Cal back in the late '70s or early '80s. A few feet were added to the end without a point.



This hunk of alloy didn't quite make it to the scrapyard.

I am part owner of a 80' racing yacht.

[ron ll]

Okay. I finally caught a schooner. (At least I think it's a schooner. Sorry about the bad pic, with this setup I have to leave the camera on automatic exposure and it isn't always the best.) This boat is moored at Shilshole and I've cruised past it many times but now can't recall the name. And remember, fenders are acceptable here as they are about to enter the Locks. I'll leave it to SchoonerRat to expound on the rig.

[SchoonerRat]

It's a close call....


Judges say...............


Well done mate!


Schooner!!!!!!

[ron ll]

Would the somewhat unusual rig cause it to be a specifically named type of schooner?

[Willin']

So, a schooner is when the blue fenders come in front of the black fenders? Is that it?

[Bobcat]

To me, it's clearly a schooner. It's a staysail schooner because of the sails between the masts.

Or as some would say: a cutter with a mast stuck in the middle of the headsails.

[ron ll]

So, a schooner is when the blue fenders come in front of the black fenders? Is that it?

Most boats that pass this point are either headed into the Locks or just leaving the Locks so most have their fenders out. Doesn't make for the best photo ops, but we have to cut them a little slack.

[SchoonerRat]

Two masts, larger in back (or equal) — schooner. At this point, I'd even accept a brigintine, barquentine, or a full rigged ship.

This one certainly doesn't fit the mold of any rig I'm familiar with. Lot's of roller furling. It looks like all staysails and headsails. I don't even see a main boom.

She's a step in the right direction, now how 'bout a schooner ——— can you say Alden, Herreshoff, Burgess?

[ron ll]

To me, it's clearly a schooner. It's a staysail schooner because of the sails between the masts.

Notice the absence of booms. (Not that that makes any difference in naming, just an interesting setup.)

[ron ll]

She's a step in the right direction, now how 'bout a schooner ——— can you say Alden, Herreshoff, Burgess?

I'll order one right up.

[ron ll]

Seattle fire boat, 108' "Leschi"

[Bobcat]

I suspect that the schooner is set up that way to facilitate sail handling. It looks as if everything is roller furling and I suspect that there might be some power assistance to the roller furling. Modern rig to allow short handed sailing.

But the boys from Gloucester would not approve nor would the b'ys from Newfoundland.

[ron ll]

A sweet little troller. (I'm kind of partial to these for some reason. )

[Bobcat]

A sweet little troller. (I'm kind of partial to these for some reason. )

Thanks! I trolled for three years a long time ago and love the look of troller. I seem to remember that smaller poles going forward from the main poles are joe poles...

[ron ll]

Thanks! I trolled for three years a long time ago and love the look of troller. I seem to remember that smaller poles going forward from the main poles are joe poles...

What do the joe poles do?

[Bobcat]

What do the joe poles do?

I can only guess that they lead one line forward of the others, but really I have no bloody idea.

[ron ll]

Neptune's Car, a local raceboat.

BTW, there is a good book called, "The Captain's Wife" about the original Neptune's Car, a 300' Cape Horn grain hauler. It's the true story of the captain falling ill on a voyage and his passenger wife having to take over the ship and finish the voyage.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Captains-W...5561423&sr=1-1

[TR]

What do the joe poles do?

Long ago trollers had "bow poles" (some even had a foremast). The bow poles were mounted on universal bases on the foredeck or sometimes up on top of the anchor winch. When set they angled outboard and forward of the boat. Fishermen being fishermen, they had theories about how you could poke the bow line into a rockpile and fish some pretty tight spots. Some clever guy came up with these forward pointing poles (I've never heard "joe poles") to save on fooling with another entire set of poles. Now bow poles have disappeared.

[ron ll]

Some clever guy came up with these forward pointing poles (I've never heard "joe poles") to save on fooling with another entire set of poles. Now bow poles have disappeared.

Don't know if this is the origin of it, but I found a 1962 patent for a multiple trolling pole rig by a Joe Prince.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=i9F...page&q&f=false

[ron ll]

I started this project because I had this old 4mp camera sitting around doing nothing. Now I'm starting to think I need a better camera for this. By the time I crop these down, I'm running out of pixels. This is a pretty little boat, but not a very sharp picture of it. If I were hand-holding it, I could zoom in and focus on the boat. But because I am triggering it remotely from my desk, I have to shoot a wider field and crop down, never really knowing where the boat is going to be in the frame.

On second look, maybe I'm not running out of pixels, but rather it's just out of optical focus. Because the target is not centered in the field of view (before the crop), the auto-focus sensor won't always hit the boat, so I've set it on manual focus. Maybe I need to stop it down to see if I can increase the depth of field. Any technical hints gladly accepted. (Keep in mind I am shooting very obliquely thru two layers of heavily bronze tinted glass. )

[Lew Barrett]

She is (I think) a Westport built Monk. I could be off on the builder but she looks a lot like a later Monk to me, the kind of thing he did at the end of his career. Could be "Thunderbird," in fact, I think she is.

Added: If she is T'Bird as I suspect, that little boat is 40 feet long.

[wizbang 13]

freakin cool thread
when I finish Bingo I'll whip over there and do donuts in front of your window just to get in it!!

[BETTY-B]

I was doing a barbecue at Shilshole the other day. Someone talked about that boat, Neptune's Car, relating to a race or something. I cant remember what they said. But I do remember pointing out to them that that was the new boat carrying coal in Sterling Hayden's book Voyage.

[chas]

I almost bought a Richardson 38 out of Shilsole Marina in Feb of 2008. Looked very much like that boat. / Jim

[ron ll]

I remember when I read "The Captain's Wife" wondering why in 1854 they would name a ship after a 'car'. It's probably obvious to everyone else, but just one of those connections I missed.

[Garret]

Would the somewhat unusual rig cause it to be a specifically named type of schooner?

Isn't it that if the after mast is even 1" shorter it's a ketch & if they are equal or the forward mast is shorter it's a schooner?

[Thad]

Car: From Middle English carre, from Anglo-Norman carre, from Latin carra, neuter plural of carrus (“four-wheeled baggage wagon”) Compare Celtic carr (two-wheeled chariot), from Gaulish karros, from Proto-Indo-European *krsos, from Proto-Indo-European base *kers- (to run).
Like Neptune, "car" has a venerable history.

[ron ll]

I was just thinking short for carriage. But full etymology is always good.

[Thad]

Neptune was god of horses as well as water. If this works it is an image of Neptune's car.
This and the etymology come from Wiki sites.

[2MeterTroll]

Any shell fish layings in your area. The structure midships looks like washing and grading riddles.

it's a power scow with her herring gear on. she,s on her way to be a tender for someone.

[TR]

What do the joe poles do?

After having my memory appropriately jogged, I can say that in BC those are, for reasons no one I've spoken to knows, called "pogo sticks"....so there ya go......

It may well be because they bounce around a great deal while fishing.......

[Lew Barrett]

I almost bought a Richardson 38 out of Shilsole Marina in Feb of 2008. Looked very much like that boat. / Jim

Similar layout, but that particular boat is Thunderbird, a Monk. The ensigns are a giveaway; the red one with the white circular field in the middle (CYA) and the bit of yellow that suggests a Monk ensign were the deciding clues for me.

[chas]

I'll need to learn more about those ensigns, Lew, and maybe get some new glasses. In defense of my disabilities, perhaps you can see how I might be confused. / Jim

[ron ll]

Not much action yet this morning, but I kind of like this little picnic boat (if that's the proper term). Unfortunately, the white plastic stick boat came into the frame before the shutter released. Not sure what the picnic boat is, don't think it's a Hinckley, maybe a San Juan Composite, probably something else entirely. Parts of it almost have a Grand Banks look, but not sure they make anything that small, do they?

[Lew Barrett]

I'll need to learn more about those ensigns, Lew, and maybe get some new glasses. In defense of my disabilities, perhaps you can see how I might be confused. / Jim

No issues there, Chas. I certainly do see the similarities, and it's only because I know the boat (and was in the same club as her) that I could tell the difference. The pennants more or less confirmed my guess. They could all be Forders too! He built similar vessels in the same era.

[ron ll]

Most of the seiners around here are nice old wood boats. This one appears to be a newer aluminum version.