North Korea Launched Their "Weather Satellite."

[Donn]

This should be fun.

[Donn]

Looks like it fizzled...again.

[Paul Pless]

Looks like it fizzled...again.

Broke up at low altitude according to the Pentagon.

[Bobcat]

Should have subcontracted the engineering and manufacture out to Kia or Huyndai

[Donn]

The S will hit the F in NoKo soon. I'd hate to be a rocket scientist on Kim the Younger's staff tonight.

[Bobcat]

The S will hit the F in NoKo soon. I'd hate to be a rocket scientist on Kim the Younger's staff tonight.

You mean being a soon-to-be late rocket scientist?

[S.V. Airlie]

More than likely someone who won't have the luxury of a lengthy trial or any trial for that matter..

[Ted Hoppe]

What makes you think it wasn't terminated by American observers? The ability to track and break up a single guided North Korean rocket isn't out of the realm of possibility. Japan, South Korea and the U.S. have good reason and advanced technology to stop such programs. Byproduct of Star Wars.

[Paul Pless]

What makes you think it wasn't terminated by American observers?

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[Ted Hoppe]

http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/ak...-Japan-1741716

[Ted Hoppe]

http://hitsusa.com/blog/1819/us-navy-tests-raygun/

[ron ll]

What makes you think it wasn't terminated by American observers? The ability to track and break up a single guided North Korean rocket isn't out of the realm of possibility. Japan, South Korea and the U.S. have good reason and advanced technology to stop such programs. Byproduct of Star Wars.

I'd really like to believe that's what happened, tho I doubt we will ever know. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm currently reading, "The Orphan Master's Son". A really great novel set in contemporary North Korea and a good insight into how primitive, poor and corrupt that place is. More likely the rocket failed due to some tack weld failure on a stolen piece of rusted angle iron somewhere.

[Gerarddm]

...and now they're gonna starve some more. Nice move, morons.

[PeterSibley]

I'd really like to believe that's what happened, tho I doubt we will ever know. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm currently reading, "The Orphan Master's Son". A really great novel set in contemporary North Korea and a good insight into how primitive, poor and corrupt that place is. More likely the rocket failed due to some tack weld failure on a stolen piece of rusted angle iron somewhere.

Perhaps, they have built other rockets and a nuclear warhead. Be careful about denigrating your enemies to much, too soon. These guys are dangerous and paranoid, they are like cornered rats knowing the world is against them . There are very good reasons that various administrations have trodden gently.

[brad9798]

The best way to celebrate an epic fail of a rocket launch? Watch your people starve and pretend things are okay.

Sickening country and regime ...

[switters]

I love the KCNA news from North Korea. The following was written earlier, no word from the central news agency on the failure. They may just ignore it. If not it will be fun to see how the spin this. A sample;

Despite the United States-initiated chorus of protests, the north Korean administration led by heaven-sent statesman and supreme leader Kim Jong Un will celebrate the centenary of the birth of its founding father Kim Il Sung by shooting off a spectacular firework; a polar-orbiting observation satellite is to be launched into space between April 12 and 16.

The Kim Jong Un administration does not share the view that the planned satellite launch imperils the February 29 north Korea-US nuclear agreement. The north Koreans are of the firm view that a Cold Warrior mindset has misled the Americans to mistake the launch of an observation satellite for that of a ballistic missile test.

When a carrier rocket leaves the launch pad, an international bevy of experts on space technology and journalists will have little difficulty in discerning whether this is a scientific satellite launch or an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) test. This will prove most embarrassing to the Barack Obama administration, the south Korean administration of Lee Myung-bak and the Japanese government.

[Donn]

They admitted the failure:

April 13, 2012North Korea Admits Rocket Failed Shortly After Launch

Steve Herman | Seoul


North Korea has acknowledged a multi-stage rocket it launched early Friday failed to reach orbit.


An announcer on North Korean television - interrupting programming four hours after the launch, which was not broadcast - says the Kwangmyongsong-3 earth observation satellite did not succeed in reaching orbit and scientific experts are investigating the cause of the failure.

Link

[Ted Hoppe]

Related - North Korean Rocket Fails Shortly After Launch

"Japan's defense forces, along with the South Korean and U.S. militaries in the region, had deployed anti-missile batteries on land and at sea to possibly shoot down the object if it flew over Japanese or South Korean territories."

this is Asian classic politics. western mentality and morality doesn't play out here.

this was a missile test to prove it could carry a nuke. considering the neighbors and their concerns there isn't much doubt that a newly deployed (electronic pusle or beam) anti missile system operating off the territorial waters NK would be used to bring the rocket down after 150 kilometers once it safely crossed into the yellow sea. It keeps the Koreans at the table and gives more time to more moderates in NK government to negotiate a military standown. returning to a food for peace program and reducing the financial embargo.

[LeeG]

So what practical security do we derive from the $10billion/yr spent on BMD?

[Ted Hoppe]

http://www.nae.edu/Publications/Brid...cMissiles.aspx

The most effective way to knock out a missile is in the boost phase.

this is more than a warning to North Korea. It is the tell to anyone still using scud style missiles too. Launching a missile attack has just gotten harder.

[LeeG]

http://hitsusa.com/blog/1819/us-navy-tests-raygun/

Aircraft and ICBMs go at different speed, the $5billion spent on an ABL mounted on a modified 747 was designed for this application. It was cancelled last year.

[Ted Hoppe]

Aircraft and ICBMs go at different speed, the $5billion spent on an ABL mounted on a modified 747 was designed for this application. It was cancelled last year.

what makes you think it was an American weapons system?

get a clue, the most advanced, highly patriotic electronics builders and electrical minds are in that region. Americans are boots on the ground. these folks are operating at levels most aren't aware of without having to pay huge portions of their GDP on troop costs, logistics or have been drained in an drawn out fluid Asian land war.

we only need to look at own own history dealing with Asian countries and war... In WW2, for the first 2.5 years Japan had technological superiority in aircraft, aircraft carriers, battleships and other things.

[Donn]

Japan and South Korea both depend on Patriot Missiles for missile defense.

[Ted Hoppe]

Japan and South Korea both depend on Patriot Missiles for missile defense.

japan and Korea have thier own missile defense too. frankly, I am surprised that at the belief Americans have on this subject. weapon technology advancements don't all come from the DOD and there contractors. Koreans are now more capiable of building better ships, planes and electronics than the US. Most chip technology is transferred seamlessly and what there is to steal they take without too much concern. tool and die capabilities are really substandard here compared to Asian sources. if One has superior manufacturing capabilities the better one is able to build the most advanced weaponry. it is only a matter of years before these nations begin to make and service the American war machine. we traded the capability away for cheap prices, high returns and no sustainability.

Look at affordable new cars, the Kia is superior to anything GM makes and equal to Fords best products. Over priced crap planes and off shore new technology suppliers don't really work for the United States favor in the 21st century. what makes you think our allies are going to trust bloated overpriced and substandard weapon defense systems.

[LeeG]

Japan and South Korea both depend on Patriot Missiles for missile defense.

Patriot can't hit an ICBM going 12,000mph

[Ted Hoppe]

a tracking particle beam can. Tesla spoke of it as a weapon to stop all weapons.

an ICBM hit with at particle beam will break up like it malfunctioned. a launched rocket in a booster phase would be even simpler to hit. a proton gun could be adapted to capture the electrons in a missile and stop its guidance system immediately.

this was what Ronald Reagan wanted but did not have the technology. 30 years later... It's here.

[Donn]

japan and Korea have thier own missile defense too.

No, they don't. They both rely, exclusively, on US missile defense technology. You should look it up. It's all available on the web.

South Korea plans to develop its own system by 2015, but for now, they use Pac3, as does Japan.

[LeeG]

this was what Ronald Reagan wanted but did not have the technology. 30 years later... It's here.

Where?

[Ted Hoppe]

No, they don't. They both rely, exclusively, on US missile defense technology. You should look it up. It's all available on the web.

South Korea plans to develop its own system by 2015, but for now, they use Pac3, as does Japan.

Donn, I understand your point. I think you are missing mine.

Yesterday, they admitted they had a system being built. admitting to a system in our world of technology means there is practical application on one that has proven effective. Having a system and having a complete nation wide system are two different things. In Asian politics, you defeat the enemy you know but allow them to keep thier face.

Since 1991 Gulf War, the united States has used beam and microwave warfare. they used it against the Iraqis and cooked the men manning the comand and control stations knocking out them out to be useless. at the time, the Patriot systems they lent the Israelis proved to be more than a PR piece letting scuds enter the airspace quite frequently. The effort shifted from a missile to missile plan to a beam or microwave to enable better tracking of air/spave delivered weaponry. It has been more than 20 years since then, a lot of our world has changed.

[Ted Hoppe]

Where?

there is some history to all this...


During WW2 the German electronics firm Siemens developed a particle beam weapon for the Luftwaffe. It was invented by Prof Max Steenbeck in 1935. Heinz Schmellenmeier, Richard Gans and Fritz Houtermans were leading figures in the project.

How the machine worked was that it interrupted the magnetos of engines in Allied bombers and brought aircraft down to lower altitudes into the reach of FLAK batteries.

Norwegian born Dr Rolf Wideroe wrote in his autobiography that he worked on a particle accelerator X-Ray transformer for this project at Hamburg in 1943. The Philips subsidiary Valvo also participated and much of the engineering was performed by CHF Muller & Co. Wideroe later rescued the device from the rubble of Dresden and delivered it to General Patton's 3rd Army at Burggrub on 14 April 1945.

A second rival device, Ernst Schiebolds 'Röntgenkanone was developed at Großostheim south of Frankfurt. This employed a particle accelerator cupped from beneath by a Beryllium parabolic mirror with a bundle of nine beryllium rods as an anode at it's core. the entire device was steerable at Allied bomber formations. The Company Richert Seifert & Co was largely responsible for it's manufacture.

These were not lasers. They directed hard radiation at aircraft and were the forerunners of Star wars weapons we consider today. Now with power not an issue with proven power plants like Shiva and readily portable power generators, a beam weapon is a practical and effective choice.

we are coming to an age where The Space race is not as prominent. the designers and thinkers come from a viewpoint of Star Wars, Star Trek and other Science fiction. of course they will design and build things that intrigued them as children.
there are some books on the subject, and I dare not make claim to be any expert but there are facts remaining that lead to my conclusions. I want you to disagree - it makes me consider such things even more.

[brad9798]

Yea, but like I said MANY posts ago about STARVING NKoreans ... we have cut off food aid, now!

[brad9798]

We, in real life, would agree on a bunch more ... but forums are kind of silly!

Hope all is well, Blowtorch.

B

[fishrswim]

What makes you think it wasn't terminated by American observers? The ability to track and break up a single guided North Korean rocket isn't out of the realm of possibility. Japan, South Korea and the U.S. have good reason and advanced technology to stop such programs. Byproduct of Star Wars.

Shhhhh!