Ann Romney attack

[wardd]

She actually does have an child that she and her partner (before the divorce) adopted. She apparantly doesn't think much of people that stay home to raise the famaily.

neither does mitt, unless it's his wife

[SaltyBoatr]

From the article Donn posted: "This particular tempest in a teapot . . " As I said . . .

Agreed. More to the point: The GOP strategists are doing a "I a rubber, you are glue" tactic. Objectively, the GOP has a huge gender gap problem with women voters, and if they can muddy the water by trumping up a Dem gender gap problem then their political problem is mitigated somewhat.

The unfortunate thing is that the 'I am rubber, you are glue' tactic actually works.

[TANSTAF1]

Liberuls hate it when they are "outed."

[BrianW]

All this negativity directed towards Ann by liberals, and it's Republicans that have an issue with women?

[Norman Bernstein]

All this negativity directed towards Ann by liberals, and it's Republicans that have an issue with women?

I don't have any antipathy towards Ann Romney. I'm sure she's a very fine woman, very brave, in the face of both breast cancer, as well as multiple sclerosis, to be able to carry on in a very much more-than-exceptional life.

The only 'negativity' I might have would be directed towards her attitude, with regard to the Hillary Rosen statement. Her supposed personal offense at Hillary Rosen's true (but impolitic) statement is questionable, considering her later offhand remark about the Rosen statement being a 'gift'. You can't be simultaneously 'offended' by the truth, while at the same time privately delighting in it, as a political gift.

Secondly, I would question the competence of any Presidential candidate who would make a public statement about relying upon his own wife to pass judgement on 'what women think are important'. As far as I know, Ann Romney has no specific competency to make such judgments.... her opinion is no less valuable, but no MORE valuable, than any woman on the street.

I'm sure Mitt respects her opinion (after all, don't we all respect our wife's opinions?), but presuming to accept her opinion as a policy-making consideration isn't what I'd call competent.

[BrianW]

You can't be simultaneously 'offended' by the truth, while at the same time privately delighting in it, as a political gift.

I'm going to disagree with you on that. I find it completely feasible and logical

I'm sure Mitt respects her opinion (after all, don't we all respect our wife's opinions?), but presuming to accept her opinion as a policy-making consideration isn't what I'd call competent.

Again, I'm in disagreement. If I had a question about how women may feel on a topic, asking my wife seems a very reasonable thing to do. Presidents get advice from many sources. You don't suppose Michelles had an opinion or two, that she shared with Barak?

[S.V. Airlie]

Think I'll go out for a cheeseburger.

[Concordia 33]

The only 'negativity' I might have would be directed towards her attitude, with regard to the Hillary Rosen statement. Her supposed personal offense at Hillary Rosen's true (but impolitic) statement is questionable, considering her later offhand remark about the Rosen statement being a 'gift'. You can't be simultaneously 'offended' by the truth, while at the same time privately delighting in it, as a political gift.

That is such a lame and partisan response. When someone attacks you (or your lifestyle) it is only human to appreciate that she thew such an easy lob. Your attempt to somehow see her as opportunistic by discussing the "gift" comment is your attempt to deflect from the horrific attitude that Hilary Rosen let slip in her statement and her lame attempts to walk it back without having to actually apologize. If it is wrong, then it is wrong regardless of how the recipient took it.

[Tall Boy]

What a bunch of ticky-tacky women. When the guy at the plate hits one right into the pitcher’s glove and, the pitcher’s wife stands up and cheers…who freaking cares if she’s cheering the pitcher for making the catch or the dumb sap that hit it?

[John Smith]

That is such a lame and partisan response. When someone attacks you (or your lifestyle) it is only human to appreciate that she thew such an easy lob. Your attempt to somehow see her as opportunistic by discussing the "gift" comment is your attempt to deflect from the horrific attitude that Hilary Rosen let slip in her statement and her lame attempts to walk it back without having to actually apologize. If it is wrong, then it is wrong regardless of how the recipient took it.

This whole debate is silly and dishonest. "Work" has never been defined as staying home and raising children. Romney wants welfare moms to have the dignity that comes with work. He doesn't mean stay home and raise the kids.

I'm tired of this dishonest BS. Ann Romney had the financial option to stay home. The fact that she thinks every woman in America has that luxury is but another example of how out of touch with most Americans this couple is.

[Norman Bernstein]

That is such a lame and partisan response.

Can I assume your responses are always non-partisan? And they're never 'lame'?

When someone attacks you (or your lifestyle) it is only human to appreciate that she thew such an easy lob. Your attempt to somehow see her as opportunistic by discussing the "gift" comment is your attempt to deflect from the horrific attitude that Hilary Rosen let slip in her statement and her lame attempts to walk it back without having to actually apologize. If it is wrong, then it is wrong regardless of how the recipient took it.

What was 'wrong'? I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what was 'wrong' about what Hillary Rosen said. It is the absolute, undistorted, and unexaggerated fact that Ann Romney never held a job in her life. This doesn't disparage her, whatsoever.... there are plenty of women who made the choice, and more importantly, had the means, to be a 'stay at home' wife and mother. I fully understand why it was 'impolitic' to say it...which is what makes it a 'gaffe', and not a lie.

But please tell me what was 'wrong' about it.

And WTF is this claim of 'horrific attitude' all about?

[S.V. Airlie]

Never held a job. Do all jobs to you have to be attached to a bloody pay check. Does that make it a job?

[wardd]

All this negativity directed towards Ann by liberals, and it's Republicans that have an issue with women?

no, it's women that have an issue with republicans and this flap isn't going to change that

i hate to admit this being a man and all but women aren't all that stupid

[wardd]

Never held a job. Do all jobs to you have to be attached to a bloody pay check. Does that make it a job?

a bit ago that's exactly what mitt thought

[Tall Boy]

which is what makes it a 'gaffe', and not a lie.

But please tell me what was 'wrong' about it.

I never said it was a lie, gaffe works for me. I do think the resulting back peddling and defence are downright comical though.

[wardd]

I never said it was a lie, gaffe works for me. I do think the resulting back peddling and defence are downright comical though.

if you're talking about rosen , i agree

i think the dems should turn it to their advantage and i see signs of that happening in punditry land

[Norman Bernstein]

Again, I'm in disagreement. If I had a question about how women may feel on a topic, asking my wife seems a very reasonable thing to do. Presidents get advice from many sources. You don't suppose Michelles had an opinion or two, that she shared with Barak?

I have no doubt the Michelle shares her opinion with Barack.

However, I've never heard Barack Obama say that, in a contentious issue before the American political scene, he derived his opinion from asking his wife. I'd like to think that a President would draw from many sources, and have the good sense to not imply that he was reflecting his wife's opinion.

[Tall Boy]

if you're talking about rosen , i agree

i think the dems should turn it to their advantage and i see signs of that happening in punditry land

Advantage? Right, you lugnuts keep pounding on this little loser. pissy little crap like this is all you got.

[wardd]

Advantage? Right, you lugnuts keep pounding on this little loser. pissy little crap like this is all you got.

what , that the romneys have never had to worry about how to meet the mortgage or put food on the table or how to pay for medical care?

when many people are facing economic uncertainty the republicans put forth a candidate from the gilded class, yea that is smart

more than half his base doesn't even like him

[S.V. Airlie]

Smart when the dems did it in 1932?

[wardd]

Smart when the dems did it in 1932?

did what?

[S.V. Airlie]

Remember FDR, His money, the depression?

[Tall Boy]

what , that the romneys have never had to worry about how to meet the mortgage or put food on the table or how to pay for medical care?

when many people are facing economic uncertainty the republicans put forth a candidate from the gilded class, yea that is smart

more than half his base doesn't even like him

Like I said......nothin.....whole lot of nothin..........

[wardd]

Remember FDR, His money, the depression?

when will mitt be called a traitor to his class?

[wardd]

Like I said......nothin.....whole lot of nothin..........

wait till november

[S.V. Airlie]

When Obama hits 50% approval, then you can say 50% of the people like him too. Hasn't reached that number yet.

[wardd]

When Obama hits 50% approval, then you can say 50% of the people like him too. Hasn't reached that number yet.

grasping at straws?


Favorable / Unfavorable

Barack Obama: 56 / 42 (

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Mitt Romney: 44 / 43 (

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[S.V. Airlie]

Nope not at all Pushing or trying to push the idea that Obama has more than 50% who like him.Wardd. What you said Romney having more than 50% who don't like him holds true for Obama too. That is not grasping straws.

[Tall Boy]

grasping at straws?


Favorable / Unfavorable

Barack Obama: 56 / 42 (

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)
Mitt Romney: 44 / 43 (

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)

56% favorable? Now that is grasping at straws.

[wardd]

56% favorable? Now that is grasping at straws.

you couldn't afford to have a beer with mitt

[SaltyBoatr]

When Obama hits 50% approval, then you can say 50% of the people like him too. Hasn't reached that number yet.

Not true. He surpassed 50% twice before, and again just last week. More importantly, he consistently gets high ratings from women, youth and Hispanics. Don't forget that more than half of the voters are women, and the Hispanic/youth voters are steadily increasing.

[S.V. Airlie]

WOW! twice in three years and polls are taken almost weekly. What an accomplishment..I suppose the poll you mentioned is one of the liberal medias.Can or will you identify the source here or should I guess? You use this source about 100% of the time and for I know, it could be out of some free, weekly rag put out in someone's garage.

[TANSTAF1]

different polls give different numbers:

Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history

[wardd]

WOW! twice in three years and polls are taken almost weekly. What an accomplishment..I suppose the poll you mentioned is one of the liberal medias.

let's take an approval poll for jamie

[S.V. Airlie]

I wouldn't personally take one on you wardd. It's already obvious what the outcome would be. Somewhere close to the approval ratings of congress, lawyers, and the like. If you came close to breaking 12%, I'd be surprised. Of course that ia assuming you would vote for yourself twice.

[SaltyBoatr]

different polls give different numbers:

Rasmussen:

Yep they do. And you cherry pick the Rasmussen, which has the most notorious conservative leaning bias.

Anyway you try to spin, you cannot deny that Obama has better polling that Romney.

[Tall Boy]

you couldn't afford to have a beer with mitt

What??? you drink beer thru a straw? How do you know what I can afford?

[S.V. Airlie]

Yep they do. And you cherry pick the Rasmussen, which has the most notorious conservative leaning bias.

Anyway you try to spin, you cannot deny that Obama has better polling that Romney.

Maybe this week with this poll. Next week, the wind will be coming from the SE.Oh yes, avoided saying what biased poll you used.

[SaltyBoatr]

Oh yes, avoided saying what biased poll you used.

S.V., I avoided nothing, learn to click the links.

You would have seen that I used Gallup,
which historically has a roughly neutral bias, and if anything it leans GOP too.

[S.V. Airlie]

No links on 181 and 186 after your original C&P. Those are the only posts you wrote not a link I was looking for..Oh I see you mentioned it. Well then, here is the gallup poll this week. Do you see 500% there for Obama? It's your poll.

Mitt Romney is supported by 47% of national registered voters and Barack Obama by 45% in the inaugural Gallup Daily tracking results from April 11-15. Both Obama and Romney are supported by 90% of their respective partisans.And what you posted in #181 was an article supposedly based on a poll. Most of your C&Ps appear to come from only one source based on format, point size and and composition.The gun C%Ps all came from the same source too, right?

[wardd]

I wouldn't personally take one on you wardd. It's already obvious what the outcome would be. Somewhere close to the approval ratings of congress, lawyers, and the like. If you came close to breaking 12%, I'd be surprised. Of course that ia assuming you would vote for yourself twice.

me too

[wardd]

WORK Act Would Give Low-Income Moms The Same Option As Ann Romney (For 3 Years)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1434384.html

[TANSTAF1]

Yep they do. And you cherry pick the Rasmussen, which has the most notorious conservative leaning bias.

Anyway you try to spin, you cannot deny that Obama has better polling that Romney.

I can and do.

CBS News/NY Times 4/13 - 4/17 852 RV 46 46 Tie
Rasmussen Tracking 4/15 - 4/17 1500 LV 43 47 Romney +4
Gallup Tracking 4/13 - 4/17 2265 RV 44 48 Romney +4

The better indicator is likely voters (LV) versus registered voters (RV)

[SaltyBoatr]

I can and do.

CBS News/NY Times 4/13 - 4/17 852 RV 46 46 Tie
Rasmussen Tracking 4/15 - 4/17 1500 LV 43 47 Romney +4
Gallup Tracking 4/13 - 4/17 2265 RV 44 48 Romney +4

The better indicator is likely voters (LV) versus registered voters (RV)

Yep, Obama has the polling lead.

[S.V. Airlie]

After 3 years in office, are thse numbers in the mid 40's as much as he has? My doesn't say that much of any good for his performance. All pollers have said he has to have at least mid 50 polls to win. Not there yet is it? Long way to go isn't it? Better do something except whine. Americans hate whiners from both sides.

[SaltyBoatr]

After 3 years in office, are thse numbers in the mid 40's as much as he has? My doesn't say that much of any good for his performance. All pollers have said he has to have at least mid 50 polls to win. Not there yet is it? Long way to go isn't it? Better do something except whine. Americans hate whiners from both sides.

Upper 40's for Obama, lower 40's for Romney. (with a 7 percent undecided) Looks like Romney got a bump in the last few days, probably the Santorum voters switching. Both men have a long way to go until November, but Romney is presently playing catch up. We will see.

[S.V. Airlie]

I don't agree.b You can. Feel free.

[wardd]

After 3 years in office, are thse numbers in the mid 40's as much as he has? My doesn't say that much of any good for his performance. All pollers have said he has to have at least mid 50 polls to win. Not there yet is it? Long way to go isn't it? Better do something except whine. Americans hate whiners from both sides.

tell us about whining

[S.V. Airlie]

I'm not whining you obviously don't know what whining is or regarding Obama, just overlook it.q

[wardd]

I'm not whining you obviously don't know what whining is or regarding Obama, just overlook it.q

why are you still whining?