McCarthy lives!

[Norman Bernstein]

That ever-amusing nutcase, Allen West, is channeling Joe McCarthy these days... what a hoot!

WASHINGTON -- As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

West warned constituents at a Tuesday town hall event that he's "heard" that dozens of his Democratic colleagues in the House are members of the Communist Party, the Palm Beach Post reported. West wouldn't elaborate beyond that, however, and didn't offer up any names. There are currently 190 House Democrats.

A request for comment from West's spokeswoman was not immediately returned.

[Mrleft8]

Sadly, there are a whole lot of idiots who'll take West's words as gospel.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Can a Fascist State lead by a Demagogue Dictator who dismisses "all the crooks in Washington", especially the "Socialist Commies" be in our not-too-distant future? Of course some will have to sort out the way they tend to lump "fascists and Socialist Commies" together as one political entity.

[Ian McColgin]

Republicans really need to take a page from McCain's one shining moment in the last campaign and emphaticly denounce this sort of hateful insanity. Until they do they are actually taking advantage of it without accepting responsibility for their role in the hate-mongering.

[Soundbounder]

Hannity mentioned West as a good choice for Romney's VP

[Paul Pless]

As many as 80 House Democrats are communists, according to Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.).

Sounds about right. . .

Sadly, there are a whole lot of idiots who'll take West's words as gospel.

D'oh!

[Paul Pless]

Republicans really need to take a page from McCain's one shining moment in the last campaign and emphaticly denounce this sort of hateful insanity. Until they do they are actually taking advantage of it without accepting responsibility for their role in the hate-mongering.

There are reasonable Republicans.

[Concordia 33]

Ironically as crazed as McCarthy seemed at the time, he was more accurate that we'd like to believe...

This review originally appeared in Studies in Intelligence 42, no. 4 (1998), a classified issue. See the preceeding review of The KGB File of Andrei Sakharov.
[Alger] Hiss and [Whittaker] Chambers worked together as Soviet source and courier from late 1934 until the latter’s defection from the underground in 1938.
Two generations of controversy can be compressed into that spare, declarative statement from The Haunted Wood, by Allen Weinstein and former KGB officer Alexander Vassiliev. Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy. Not “according to Whittaker Chambers.” Not “an alleged Soviet agent.” After more than five decades, Hiss's treason can now be stated simply as fact.
But truth is rarely so simple, especially in a case that has stirred so many emotions and is so intertwined with issues larger than the veracity of the two men, Hiss and Chambers, who stood at its center. In December 1998, National Public Radio reported that “recent revelations have convinced some scholars that Hiss was guilty.” [Italics added.] For 30 years, defenders of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg protested their innocence; now they protest their sentencing, with bare mention, in many instances, of the ground that has shifted under the issue.
The Soviet spy cases in the end transcended fact, becoming tests of faith. For Americans who came of age in the 1930s (as for many who came of age in the 1960s), the spy trials have been litmus tests for a range of issues: Nixon and McCarthy, to be sure; the Cold War and the nature of the Soviet Union as well. Even more viscerally, the Hiss case pointed to the cleavages in American history represented by the Depression, the New Deal, and even Vietnam. The last is not an anachronism, by the way, but a reflection of the degree to which the past is ever active, continually reviewed and refocused in our minds. “Which side are you on?” Woodie Guthrie asked, and an opinion on the Hiss case or any of the other trials of the 1940s and 1950s could answer that question across the spectrum of American public policy issues.

[Norman Bernstein]

Ironically as crazed as McCarthy seemed at the time, he was more accurate that we'd like to believe...

Hmmm.. there was bound to be someone here who is a fan of the 'rehabilitate McCarthy' movement.

The man made false allegations about hundreds of loyal Americans, and ruined countless lives.... and died at age 48 from alchoholism. Whether Hiss and Chambers were Soviet spies doesn't excuse the damage the man did.

[Paul Pless]

and died at age 48 from alchoholism.

you say that like its a bad thing. . .

[Mrleft8]

Ironically as crazed as McCarthy seemed at the time, he was more accurate that we'd like to believe...

Uh.... Care to expound on this declaration?
Or are you trying to channel Jamie?

[Paul Pless]

ouch

[Soundbounder]

There are reasonable Republicans.

I agree, but they are becoming extinct.
Personally, there are many Republicans in the northeast I've liked, and even supported.

I always liked Governors Pataki (NY), Rell (CT), Whitman (NJ), and Christie (NJ).
Christopher Shays of CT is someone I could support for Congress. I was disappointed he was voted out in the 2006 Democratic landslide. Senators Collins, Snowe, and Chafee, are all people I could vote for if I lived in their states.

I even liked Giuliani when he was mayor, although once he became a national figure, I disliked his pandering to the hard right. As a mayoral candidate, however, I voted for him 3 times.

[Mrleft8]

And excuse me, but in what USA that you live in, is it in any way a crime or aberant behavior to belong to the Communist party? It's as legitimate a party as Republican, or Democrat.

[Concordia 33]

Hmmm.. there was bound to be someone here who is a fan of the 'rehabilitate McCarthy' movement.

The man made false allegations about hundreds of loyal Americans, and ruined countless lives.... and died at age 48 from alchoholism. Whether Hiss and Chambers were Soviet spies doesn't excuse the damage the man did.

There you go again trying to pigeon hole me. I grew up despising McCarthy and continue to see him as megalomaniacal. However because I am willing to be more objective than you, I can see the information for what it is, and if you actually took the time so would you. You always try to appear the objective one ("I am not here to have my beliefs confirmed, I am here to have them challenged"), but you are the biggest ideologue here in the bilge. The information is pretty air tight here even in the initial investigation and trail - the data from the former Soviet Union only confirms this. I have no desire to rehabilitate his reputation but that doesn't mean I am so blind that I cannot admit when McCarthy got it right. It is so typical of you to say this rather than to respond with some actual information that I could consider in response to what I have posted. I actually have great sympathy for Alger Hiss - I knew his niece, and the shame that she and her family went through. Regrettably, he appears to have been accurately accused.

[Gerarddm]

Allen West is a chump and a one-man clown show, and anybody who thinks he is remotely credible is one too.

I would rather be a communist than be Allen West.

[BrianW]

And excuse me, but in what USA that you live in, is it in any way a crime or aberant behavior to belong to the Communist party? It's as legitimate a party as Republican, or Democrat.

Ah Ha!

Number 81.

We have you now...





(black chopper six, vector 350º 67 klicks, confirmed commie in Connecticut, take out with extreme prejudice.)

[ljb5]

Ironically as crazed as McCarthy seemed at the time, he was more accurate that we'd like to believe...

The problem with McCarthy is not that he was (occassionally) right or (frequently) wrong.

The problem was the manner in which he went about it.

It was all accusations without evidence, intimidation, personal attacks, scorched-earth destruction, demonization and witch hunts.

Even if he was right once in a while, that's not the right way to go about it.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Just to put this in perspective, there were more millionaires at the last Communist Party of China convention than there will be at the next Republican one.

[Concordia 33]

And excuse me, but in what USA that you live in, is it in any way a crime or aberant behavior to belong to the Communist party? It's as legitimate a party as Republican, or Democrat.

I don't see communist party affiliation as un-American. It is even OK to be a part of the NAZI Party in the US. But if anyone (including a Republican or Democrat) breaks the law then they should be tried for their crime. Joe McCarthy definitely went on a self serving bender/witch hunt, but too many just assume that Alger Hiss was wrongly accused, and in this instance (possibly some others) McCarthy was spot on. Even a blind squirrel cant find a nut sometimes and whether we are talking about the accomplishments of Joe McCarthy or Barrack Obama, they should get credit where it is due.

[Iceboy]

Sounds like the bilge.

The problem with McCarthy is not that he was (occassionally) right or (frequently) wrong.

The problem was the manner in which he went about it.

It was all accusations without evidence, intimidation, personal attacks, scorched-earth destruction, demonization and witch hunts.

Even if he was right once in a while, that's not the right way to go about it.

[switters]

[S.V. Airlie]

Uh.... Care to expound on this declaration?
Or are you trying to channel Jamie?

He tried to channel you first Doug until he realized Mars is another planet and could not be reached using two cans and a piece of string. He will try to PM you later and asks me to remind you to keep a look out for it.

[Glen Longino]

He tried to channel you first Doug until he realized Mars is another planet and could not be reached using two cans and a piece of string. He will try to PM you later and asks me to remind you to keep a look out for it.

You had a whopping sixty-four(64) posts yesterday, Jamie!
Better get those stubby fingers moving if you hope to match that today!

[Osborne Russell]

Ironically as crazed as McCarthy seemed at the time, he was more accurate that we'd like to believe...

A guy fires into a crowd, hits a pickpocket, and he's a hero?

[bobbys]

The Communist Party USA already has seen fit to endorse Barack Obama for the 2012 election. Jus saying Comrades!

[David W Pratt]

Weren't the worst excesses of McCarthyism after his death?
He never blacklisted a single scriptwriter.
People like to blame him to avoid spreading the blame around.

[Soundbounder]

He never blacklisted a single scriptwriter.

I've never heard anyone claim that he did

People like to blame him to avoid spreading the blame around.

You mean like you did in this sentence?

Weren't the worst excesses of McCarthyism after his death?

[ljb5]

Sounds like the bilge.

Not even close.

The Bilge doesn't have the authority to subpoena people, imprison them, fire hose students, destroy their lives or their careers. McCarthy used the power of the government to do that.

[Iceboy]

Sheesh, here's ten bilge bucks. Go out and buy a sense of humor. Or are they all out of humor in Dane county?

Not even close.

The Bilge doesn't have the authority to subpoena people, imprison them, fire hose students, destroy their lives or their careers. McCarthy used the power of the government to do that.

[Norman Bernstein]

Weren't the worst excesses of McCarthyism after his death?
He never blacklisted a single scriptwriter.
People like to blame him to avoid spreading the blame around.

The 'red scare' reached its height in the early 1950's, before McCarthy died... he was most certainly one of the prinicipal architects that resulted in the Hollywood blacklist... even if he wasn't directly involved. Read the Wiki on this... the lives ruined by fear, paranoia, and the attack on first amendment rights were a genuine tragedy.

[Durnik]

Just to put this in perspective, there were more millionaires at the last Communist Party of China convention than there will be at the next Republican one.

Good one! altho you do realize the american isolationist will somehow find fault with _that_, too? ;-)

What I find interesting here in 'america' is that every redneck, living in a torn up single wide in the middle of a treeless mudpit full of broken down junkers he calls a 'yard', is _sure_ he (& _only_ he) has a complete understanding of the world.. all gleaned from his minister (supplemented perhaps by the likes of Beck, Savage & Limbaugh).. neither (none) of whom would I trust alone around my sister.. & both (perhaps all) of whom either know not of McCarthy (nor wealthy 'feriners'..) or consider McCarthy to have been nothing more than a good start, & wealthy 'feriners' to be thieves - while wealthy 'muricans' earned _their_ money..

Gotta love it - AKA - Sometimes it hurts so bad you have to laugh to keep from crying..

enjoy
bobby

"Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: Some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass." - Mark Twain

[Shang]

...[he] has a complete understanding of the world.. all gleaned from his minister (supplemented perhaps by the likes of Beck, Savage & Limbaugh).. neither (none) of whom would I trust alone around my sister..."

It's probably safe to trust Dan Savage around your sister, but you're probably right about the other two.

[John Smith]

Republicans really need to take a page from McCain's one shining moment in the last campaign and emphaticly denounce this sort of hateful insanity. Until they do they are actually taking advantage of it without accepting responsibility for their role in the hate-mongering.

don't hold your breath.

[skuthorp]

The end (power) is seen to justify the means (whatever it takes) and any pretence of principle and truth is long abandoned.

Isn't there a thread about politics and christian principles somewhere?

[Tom Montgomery]

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The Communist Party USA slams Allen West:

A top official of the Communist Party USA on Wednesday ripped Rep. Allen West’s “sad ploy” for claiming that as many as 80 Democratic members of the House are communists.

“I just think it’s an absurd way to cast a shadow over his colleagues. It’s kind of a sad ploy,” Libero Della Piana, a vice-chairman of the national Communist Party, said of the Florida Republican’s charge that about 80 House Democrats were members of the radical party.
“It’s just guilt by association taken to an extreme,” he told POLITICO. He also said there are no members of Congress who are members of the Communist Party – not even avowed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

“I think it’s just absurd,” Della Piana said.

In a video clip of the event posted Wednesday, West was responding a question from a constituent asking “What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists?”

“That’s a fair question. I believe there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party,” West says in the video. He went on to say, “It’s called the Congressional Progressive Caucus,” according to a West spokesman, Tim Edson.

Della Piana also said that using the term “communist” as slander ran counter to democratic principles.

“We are supposed to live in a political democracy,” he said. “I didn’t know that being a Communist in Congress was off-limits or out of bounds. There aren’t any now and if there were in the future does that mean that the voters don’t have a say? Can’t choose a Communist to be in Congress?”

In fact, charges from the tea party that President Barack Obama and other Democrats were enacting “socialist” policies has led to increased interest in socialism, Della Piana said.

“I think a lot of Americans were opened up to the idea of socialism because of the tea party’s attack on it,” he said. “I think they put it back on the agenda. By attacking every policy initiative of the president as socialism, they put it back in the public debate… it wasn’t exactly something the average American was talking about before that.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75037.html

[Durnik]

It's probably safe to trust Dan Savage around your sister, but you're probably right about the other two.

Dan Savage, maybe.. my brothers are 'big boys' now (& I'll bet Dan Savage is a nice fellow anyway).. not to mention, I doubt the ridiculous righters to whom I refer are catching Dan's show/column! Of course, Michael Savage (AKA Michael Weiner - guessing his intended audience prompted the name change?) of 'The Savage Nation' might be an entirely different thing.. ;-)

enjoy
bobby

[bobbys]

Good one! altho you do realize the american isolationist will somehow find fault with _that_, too? ;-)

What I find interesting here in 'america' is that every redneck, living in a torn up single wide in the middle of a treeless mudpit full of broken down junkers he calls a 'yard', is _sure_ he (& _only_ he) has a complete understanding of the world.. all gleaned from his minister (supplemented perhaps by the likes of Beck, Savage & Limbaugh).. neither (none) of whom would I trust alone around my sister.. & both (perhaps all) of whom either know not of McCarthy (nor wealthy 'feriners'..) or consider McCarthy to have been nothing more than a good start, & wealthy 'feriners' to be thieves - while wealthy 'muricans' earned _their_ money..

Gotta love it - AKA - Sometimes it hurts so bad you have to laugh to keep from crying..

enjoy
bobby

"Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: Some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass." - Mark Twain

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

[Durnik]

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

Conservatives run the gamut from the wealthy who want to 'own' everything and consider destruction a way to 'keep the other guy from prospering with it' to the ignorant masses of the ridiculous right, who buy the drivel shoveled out by the likes of Fox, Limbaugh, Savage.. & their local minister..

& No, it does _not_ amuse me that this is so.

enjoy
(one of the rational) bobby (s)

[Hal Forsen]

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

I used to be disgusted but now I'm just amused by how many rank and file right wing voters often fit the one description and those they elect often fit the other.

[Concordia 33]

I used to be disgusted but now I'm just amused by how many rank and file right wing voters often fit the one description and those they elect often fit the other.

Yes, you can get a T Shirt that says amost anything - ths one was popular in Matha's Vineyard last summer when I was there

[Osborne Russell]

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

Both at once, the former the dupes of the latter. Leaders and led.

[Durnik]

There are reasonable Republicans.

Simple answer. No.

All who willingly associate with & vote nearly lock-step with the present Republican party and their obvious assault on any but the wealthy/ _very_ well off (not to mention their assault on all women) are, by definition, unreasonable.

As Eldridge Cleaver said, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

The old school Republican party is no longer. Period. If any want to be part of a conservative party, they had best start one - or join the existing one, the Dems.

And please, let's not hear any 'dems are socialists' b.s. By definition, any government (other than 'he who has the biggest club wins') has elements of socialism in it. That _is_ its reason for being - Society, working as a whole for the betterment of all - not simply the well off - who, by definition, need no aid.

enjoy
bobby

p.s. i-net connection screwy.. again.. ;-) please forgive any (possible) mal-formatting..

[bobbys]

3 ad hominy replies?.

Anytime i get 3 ad hominy replies i know i scored!.

SWISH!!!

[Chris Coose]

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

Na. Just the former.

[Donn]

[Durnik]

3 ad hominy replies?.

Anytime i get 3 ad hominy replies i know i scored!.

SWISH!!!

3 comments on the facts concerning your statement do not even one ad-hominem attack make..

Just sayin'..

enjoy
bobby

[bobbys]

3 comments on the facts concerning your statement do not even one ad-hominem attack make..

Just sayin'..

enjoy
bobby

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You might notice i do not use Libtard, Commie pinko basstard Etc to describe Liberals here. The Fact you people have to resort to these images prove you have nothing substantiate to say, So I answer fools to their folly.

However i am convinced if it comes down to a name calling contest you will emerge the victor..

Or maybe Glenn he does pretty good!

[Durnik]

Originally Posted by bobbys

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What amuses me with the left is one moment we are trailer trash driving the General Lee and the next we have top hats with tails running corporations destroying farmers land like a Steven Segal movie

I used to be disgusted but now I'm just amused by how many rank and file right wing voters often fit the one description and those they elect often fit the other.

Pictures? Let's do Pictures! ;-)





& for those literate..

"Governor Romney calls the President out of touch... Hey, how many of y’all have a Swiss bank account?" - VP Biden in New Hampshire

May not cover it all.. but it covers most of it!

ETA:

The Fact you people have to resort to these images prove you have nothing substantiate to say

Is not a picture worth a thousand words? I figure my post is "substantiated" to the tune of 1050 words (more or less.. ;-))

enjoy
bobby

[RonW]

durnik --

All who willingly associate with & vote nearly lock-step with the present Republican party and their obvious assault on any but the wealthy/ _very_ well off (not to mention their assault on all women) are, by definition, unreasonable.

The old school Republican party is no longer. Period. If any want to be part of a conservative party, they had best start one - or join the existing one, the Dems.

I would be willing to bet the farm against a half eaten week old doughnut with rat turds on it, that our friend from the very far far left (durnik) has and does vote 100% lockstep democratic and toe the lines as the party says to.
And as you see will defend the party no matter what..

Now how frigging ironic is that.........