what is the difference between a privet blog and the FOX or MSNBC news (blog)?

[Phillip Allen]

if I report on my bee hives to the bilge it would seem to hold less value for some than if (for whatever reason) MSNBC were to interview me and repeat what I said on their news program.

why is this?

[Paul Pless]

MSNBC has an editor.

[Phillip Allen]

so does a blog...

[Mrleft8]

A privet blog has a bunch of people hedging their bets on it.....

[switters]

that was hilarious.

[Peerie Maa]

The difference between a conversation and a brain dump?

[Glen Longino]

A privet blog has a bunch of people hedging their bets on it.....

Whoooooooosh!

[Phillip Allen]

so, professional media comentary is truer than blog truth?

what I say about my bees isn't true unless repeated by a professional?

[elf]

What you say about your privet hedge is probably just a true as what you might say about your bees.

[Phillip Allen]

I don't have a privet hedge... now, is that true coming from me or does it need validation from a professional reporter like Dan Rather

[Tom Montgomery]

If you get your newz from any blog you are lost.

[Phillip Allen]

If you get your newz from any blog you are lost.

so... then you contend that 100% of blogs are liars?

what percentage of professional news organizations lie or mislead?

[Mrleft8]

so... then you contend that 100% of blogs are liars?

what percentage of professional news organizations lie or mislead?

Bloggers aren't necessarily liars Phillip, but getting your information from only one source is kind of stupid, don't you think?
For instance..... I do not think that you're a liar, but if I have a question about bees, I will not only ask you for your opinion, and advice, but I will also check other sources to see if they are in agreement or not. If the information you gave me was consistent, I would go with it. If your information was diametrically opposed to the information I got elsewhere, I would ask for clarification, or do more wide ranging research.

[Paul Pless]

I will also check other sources to see if they are in agreement or not.

Like Jamie for instance.

[Phillip Allen]

Bloggers aren't necessarily liars Phillip, but getting your information from only one source is kind of stupid, don't you think?
For instance..... I do not think that you're a liar, but if I have a question about bees, I will not only ask you for your opinion, and advice, but I will also check other sources to see if they are in agreement or not. If the information you gave me was consistent, I would go with it. If your information was diametrically opposed to the information I got elsewhere, I would ask for clarification, or do more wide ranging research.

my interest stems from various comments to the effect that all blogers lie and none are to be believed... as to information vetting... that might depend on what information we're talking about. A bloger might state an opinion which is his own and represents his individual understanding of whatever he opines about...
I don't like the political blanket parties condemning all blogers who don't agree with the complainer... it is just more ad hom misdirection and can be interpreted as a lie

[Tom Montgomery]

Bloggers push their opinion. What they provide is commentary rather than news.

If you want news you will abandon the Internet and read several newspapers, offering differing editorial content, daily.

Oh wait! This is really about the ignorant confusion between news and commentary, isn't it? Carry on Phillip Allen.

[Phillip Allen]

Bloggers push their opinion. What they provide is commentary rather than news.

If you want news you will abandon the Internet and read several newspapers, offering differing editorial content, daily.

Oh wait! This is really about the ignorant confusion between news and commentary, isn't it? Carry on Phillip Allen.

Tom... I spent a tour writing and composing a fleet news paper (I could type)... the real object was probably to assist the crypto guys but that didn't make any difference to me
I spent 40 hour weeks reading periodicals, news papers and anything else the navy wanted to dig up for me. This included a UPI wire and I got all news first from that. What many do not know is that nearly all articles one sees in the papers start out from 4 to 6 times as long and are edited down to fit a liner measurement in the paper. A truth which I have never forgotten is that after reading and re reading an article off the tape, I would find the same article and writer credit in the news papers (both local and NY Times, etc) and the editor had LITTERALLY changed the thrust or even the printed ‘truth’ of the article by judicious editing… NEWS PAPERS LIE!!!

I learned that lesson and you have not…mores’ the pity that you and many others defend these ‘bastions’ of integrity so blindly.

[Peerie Maa]

Tom did tell you to read several news papers and compare.

A bloger is free to publish any crap on the internet, there are no checks or balances, nor is there any requirement to be accurate. A bee keeper has no agenda (probably ), but blogers commenting on a news item often do have an agenda, very often do not know the back story or context so are speaking from prejudice rather than knowledge, and often have left their brains out of gear.

[Phillip Allen]

Tom did tell you to read several news papers and compare.

A bloger is free to publish any crap on the internet, there are no checks or balances, nor is there any requirement to be accurate. A bee keeper has no agenda (probably ), but blogers commenting on a news item often do have an agenda, very often do not know the back story or context so are speaking from prejudice rather than knowledge, and often have left their brains out of gear.

do you think editors and publishers don't have agendas?

[Tom Montgomery]

Tom... I spent a tour writing and composing a fleet news paper (I could type)... the real object was probably to assist the crypto guys but that didn't make any difference to me
I spent 40 hour weeks reading periodicals, news papers and anything else the navy wanted to dig up for me. This included a UPI wire and I got all news first from that. What many do not know is that nearly all articles one sees in the papers start out from 4 to 6 times as long and are edited down to fit a liner measurement in the paper. A truth which I have never forgotten is that after reading and re reading an article off the tape, I would find the same article and writer credit in the news papers (both local and NY Times, etc) and the editor had LITTERALLY changed the thrust or even the printed ‘truth’ of the article by judicious editing… NEWS PAPERS LIE!!

And so you prefer to get your info from Internet blogs? No surprise.

Did the Internet or weblogs even exist when you served in the Navy? No? I didn't think so....

[Phillip Allen]

And so you prefer to get your info from Internet blogs? No surprise.

Did the Internet or weblogs even exist when you served in the Navy? No? I didn't think so....

geeze, Tom... no wonder you have comprehension troubles...

[switters]

My favorite thing about the internet, besides the WBF, is the ability to instantly get several news sources for the same story, and then get some wiki background.

It has also taught me to do a bit of research before arguing on the interwebs, as some long held beliefs have been changed by exposure to a greater body of knowledge.

And so, regardless of where you get your news, if it is possible to get a secondary source that would be wise. No one is stopping you from doing some research of your own and it has never been easier.

[Phillip Allen]

My favorite thing about the internet, besides the WBF, is the ability to instantly get several news sources for the same story, and then get some wiki background.

It has also taught me to do a bit of research before arguing on the interwebs, as some long held beliefs have been changed by exposure to a greater body of knowledge.

And so, regardless of where you get your news, if it is possible to get a secondary source that would be wise. No one is stopping you from doing some research of your own and it has never been easier.

I agree

[Peerie Maa]

do you think editors and publishers don't have agendas?

That is why we are both telling you to read several different papers. Sheesh

[Phillip Allen]

That is why we are both telling you to read several different papers. Sheesh

the answser is in the body of my posts...

[Tom Montgomery]

I think the Internet is a godsend for hobbyists.

I am 58 years-old and so my experience straddles the pre and post-Internet and cable TV age. Do I feel more informed since the advent of the Internet and 24/7 cable newz? Nope. I simply am required to wade through more noise and nonsense.

[Mrleft8]

Phillip.... Do you ever wonder why you're the only one in a crowd of people not smiling?

[Phillip Allen]

I think the Internet is a godsend for hobbyists.

I am 58 years-old and so my experience straddles the pre and post-Internet and cable TV age. Do I feel more informed since the advent of the Internet and 24/7 cable newz? Nope. I simply am required to wade through more noise and nonsense.

now we can agree on that

[Phillip Allen]

Phillip.... Do you ever wonder why you're the only one in a crowd of people not smiling?

I AM smiling... and watching Joe sneak aboard Jamies boat to steal his rum

wait, I think I sdd Joe on board... oh, well

[Glen Longino]

"why is this?"

It isn't!
Get over it!
You made a false assumption and have carried it to absurdity!
But I don't expect you to stop anytime soon!

[Joe Dupere]

the answser is in the body of my posts...

Phillip, I don't often get involved in these kinds of threads of yours. But if the answers are in the body of your posts, do you really expect people to wade through, or remember what you've said in over FORTY TWO THOUSAND posts? Especially when most of them are excruciatingly cryptic one liners?

I read your thread where you were trying to explain your thought processes, (I think it was two thousand four hundred and twelve posts ago(give or take a few hundred posts)), and quite frankly it didn't help. I often read your posts and wonder what in the world is the point you're trying to make. I'm pretty sure it's not because you're writing over my head.

You're actually pretty understandable when you're talking about your family, or about your bees, and your knowledge of guns and gun safety really comes through when you're discussing those subjects. But, man oh man, when you try to lead us from some starting point, step by step, and line by line, to some desired enlightenment according to your sense of logic, then your presentation really falls apart. I don't think you're the Socrates you think you are.

I'm sorry that this seems like it's coming out of the blue, but I read a lot of your posts and threads, (okay, maybe only thirty thousand or so of them ), and this time I just had to say something. Would you please just consider laying out an argument in one post and then answer questions about it, instead of trying to push us along, one one-liner post at a time, until we can see your light? Please? I don't know about anybody else, but I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.

[David G]

Joe,

I recently realized it just wasn't worth the effort. Maybe I'll change my outlook in the future... but, for now, it's a pleasant relief to see:

This message is hidden because Phillip Allen is on your ignore list.

[Phillip Allen]

Phillip, I don't often get involved in these kinds of threads of yours. But if the answers are in the body of your posts, do you really expect people to wade through, or remember what you've said in over FORTY TWO THOUSAND posts? Especially when most of them are excruciatingly cryptic one liners?

I read your thread where you were trying to explain your thought processes, (I think it was two thousand four hundred and twelve posts ago(give or take a few hundred posts)), and quite frankly it didn't help. I often read your posts and wonder what in the world is the point you're trying to make. I'm pretty sure it's not because you're writing over my head.

You're actually pretty understandable when you're talking about your family, or about your bees, and your knowledge of guns and gun safety really comes through when you're discussing those subjects. But, man oh man, when you try to lead us from some starting point, step by step, and line by line, to some desired enlightenment according to your sense of logic, then your presentation really falls apart. I don't think you're the Socrates you think you are.

I'm sorry that this seems like it's coming out of the blue, but I read a lot of your posts and threads, (okay, maybe only thirty thousand or so of them ), and this time I just had to say something. Would you please just consider laying out an argument in one post and then answer questions about it, instead of trying to push us along, one one-liner post at a time, until we can see your light? Please? I don't know about anybody else, but I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.

I'll see what I can do... I have written this way for over half a century so it's old habit... got 4.0's in college although often with 6 or 7 drafts

[Joe Dupere]

I'll see what I can do... I have written this way for over half a century so it's old habit... got 4.0's in college although often with 6 or 7 drafts

Thank you Phillip.

[S.V. Airlie]

Like Jamie for instance.

Yup, I only read huffypoop. It appears that there seems to be no necessity to read anything else.