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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Malcolm Jardine View Post
    Scot will not delete your posts, I have already asked him to do that a couple of times.

    You shouldn't leave... you're one of the good ones Bernadette.
    Just give it a rest for a while, don't let the spoilers win.
    See you in Hobart hopefully.

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    Bernadette, we haven't exchanged ideas or pleasantries on here though I live in Queensland. I've only been a member of the forum a few months since I began my build, but I have followed your posts and taken in all the information in them with great pleasure. You not only supply us with information and enthusiasm through your own projects but also through your help to others who are also building. I hope you change your mind and stay with us.

    It's fairly obvious that on all forums there are those who behave in a well-mannered and freindly way, and those who simply do not. I've discovered that to reap the benefits of these kinds of fora, one must simply ignore the latter. I'm sure you know this, but I feel the need to stand up in support for your desire for this forum to be a place which reflects all that is good in wooden boat building and the community of decent builders. cheers and best wishes
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    Another vote for a break, from Melbourne, Australia. I've benifitted from your advice on one occasion Bern and since I've only just started my build I will no doubt have many more questions for those like yourself who are more experienced than I. Have some time with your Dad and come back refreshed. This forum would not exist or flourish if it wernt for the likes of yourself.
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    Bernadette I too do not understand why Scot seemed to get the Bilge toned down , by removing it from the "whats new section". Then allowing one member to break the rules , and insult everyone who dare to post on his thread , while watching the regulars be driven off . Bob
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    I observe that people who have never built boats are very quick to snip and snipe at those of us who do. It's quite easy to sit in the armchair and potshot at those who are out there struggling to solve one or 3000 problems on a particular build, since there are so many things that either are presumed or left out on plans, or simply that one doesn't know about YET--after all, it's a process, a progression in which knowledge is the foundation for more learning. So, a big fat sneering raspberry to the haters and naysayers. Good luck with your build.
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    Um, I may be wrong, but maybe I can have a shot at explaining what's got Bernie so upset.
    I had a PM from someone.
    Apparently SBlowhard called her a Fuc#%^% Beech.

    Now, many of us flirt with the computer and find inventive ways of using the f word.
    I did it to BF, and rightly got banned.

    Bernie is one of our more lady like members, she very seldom gets into a row. Posts great stuff on her boat build.
    Now along comes Smysogynist. (I've read some of his truly laughable posts ) and used most abusive language.

    At that point, I would have expected those of you familiar with bernie, to hit the button.
    A few did.
    I suspect that most, even Bernies mates, being blokes, just said tut tut, to themselves.

    Women are different, we fight for each other and give loyalty and expect it.

    S person can insult me till the cows come home I've a rough nut side and give as good as I get.
    But Bernie is a ladylike sort of sheila and does not appreciate being the recipient of language that she would NEVER use her self.

    So S Yobbo can take a smack from me.

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    I did tell him he owed her an apology but this bloke is as thick as two short planks. He has already had one smack on the fingers but he has failed to understand why.
    I didn't see the post in question, if I had I would have for the first time, hit the button.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Isn't that just a top photo?
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    S Yobbo has neither an interest in getting to know people here, or becoming a part of the WB community.
    At best his only interest is to pick the brains of the knowledgeable people here for his own purposes.
    Nothing wrong with that, that's what the WBF is for amongst other things.
    But when a newb starts upsetting some of our most valuable members with threats and insults,
    I think it's time he was given his marching orders.
    Basic Manners you know.

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    Bernadette, your building thread is priceless to me and many others here. Most of us have followed it with great interest but have refrained from posting our encouragement and appreciation because our responses would have consisted of endless " well done , and wow" comments. We appreciate your common sense and earthy approach, typical of your character.
    I am so pleased to see how you you and your dear dad enjoy such a profound and rewarding relationship. It has been a heartwarming experience for me. I enjoy such a relationship with my daughters , and every father and daughter should be so dearly loved and appreciated.
    I can understand your disgust with some of the members' posts, most of us have experienced provocation here that went over our capacity to put up with. Frankly it is to your credit that you have "had it". It shows that you are neither hardened nor cynical, and have high standards.
    By all means, take a sabbatical, you need it and have earned it. Carry on loving your dear dad and mum and working together, you will never regret that. Less time at the WBF means more time with them.
    You have been a rose among thorns here, we look forward to your return, refreshed and recharged.
    Warmest and Best Wishes to you and your dear mum and Dad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Reinhert View Post
    I'm not amazed. I've read this forum for years before I recently joined. I joined so I could ask a knowledgeable member here a question on a topic he is an authority on.
    But amazed that there is such gullibilty and foolishness? Nope! Anyone who reads this forum on a regular basis would recognize that over the years the gullible, the wackos, the drunks, the armchair experts, the political extremists and those who wish to spend their days in argument rather than in productive activity live here.

    Too bad, many good people have taken their knowledge and gone home. The forum is diminished and the fault lies in large part with those in charge who let it happen.
    I have looked in on the referenced thread a couple times, and for the life of me can't figure out why this guy is allowed to continue. It's a bilge thread at best and ruins the credibility of the Building Repair section. Off with his head...

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    Good news; a break will do you well, and you may be surprised at how short a break is required. I come and go as I please here. Sometimes, as these last two days, more actively, others depending on mood less so. I also enjoy the photo of you and Dad, and your inputs on a number of items, though you and I rarely if ever have spoken directly.

    No matter. You don't need to be sensitive or of the fairer sex to have this place make you talk to yourself when washing the car. It happens to us all, no exceptions and I wonder what my neighbors must think when they see me walking the dog down the street, my lips moving furiously but no sound issuing forth. Could be the forum, could be any number of situations and their attendant people and silly behaviors that have me appearing the crazy person.

    I try to remember that my friends here are very real. My detractors may be too, but the forum itself is not real life. It's a conversation held in the open for anybody whosoever to see, and some people are more thoughtful, more generous and more real than others. I don't know, in respect to moderating this, how much better it could be done, but I reckon pissing matches are best left to be worked out for themselves.

    It's quite clear from the nature of the support you got what the bulk of your readers think, dear Bernadette. That should be no small comfort to you, and a reminder that pronouncements of your departure will not be tolerated in the future!

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    Well said Lew. And - I've found myself mumbling while shoveling snow a few times...

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    Bernadette, I, too, hope you'll stay. Or return after a break.
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    Bernadette, I have only just come across this thread and I am shocked. If you have received abuse from that Muppet you have good reason to be upset. I understand that you would be disillusioned that WBF seems to have no interest in dealing with him.

    To reiterate what others have said I consider your contribution here valuable and although I don’t post comments as much as perhaps I should, I do read proper boat building treads such as yours.

    The world (inc. the interweb) is full of strange people and injustice. As individuals there is little we can do about it. Stopping your participation will disappoint many good people but life will go on.

    In the Muppets case the *ignore* is the most powerful tool
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    Just to state the obvious, Bernadette is both a woman AND she is actually building something, for both reasons SR would want to drive her out - and he did.

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    I don't post here often, but I have moderated on a popular website and if a poster used the F-word and was not immediately banned until it could be sorted out, then I don't blame Bernadette.

    I have enjoyed Bernadette's build and her father's wisdom. I read with interest and great worry when the cyclone hit. Through it all Bernadette and her father showed great skill, talent, courage and grace. I hope she returns, but will understand if not. You'll be missed.

    John

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    You know what? I hate it when people who come here have a go at Scot. You can spend as much time here as you like. You don't have to pay to be a member, you don't have to buy a coffee or a beer in order to be here, you don't have to leave a tip. It isn't even paid for out of your taxes. If you don't like to be here, sure, take your bat and ball and go home. Bernie, you offer a lot here and add value, sorry you got pissed off. But so many times I've seen whinging and moaning on here about the apparent failures of the moderator, if I was Scot I'd just shut the thing down. Please you guys, don't be such an ungrateful bunch of self important fools. This forum doesn't suit everyone all the time, but it is terrific. Its a technical resource, a place to hang out, a place for intellectual debate, a place just to have some fun, sometimes at the expense of others if they are fool enough to take the bait. Go easy on Scot.

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    I agree with that. I think the WBF is a great resource for us all and Scot does a terrific job. No one can please all of the people all of the time. Only a fool would try. We can deal with trolls by starving them of attention.

    Good post Phil

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    Hi Bern .

    Going ? Because of some fool ? This place isn't bad and the fools aren't that thick on the ground and we NEED to see how KATY goes !

    Please reconsider.... but if you don't thanks for what you have contributed and have fun,

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    Bernadette,

    I would truly love to see your boat finished and sailing in a picture on this forum someday. Don't know much about the problem you had but we can't let one rotten apple spoil a barrel of red delicious ones. In any case, I hope you get through your project and thoroughly enjoy sailing her.

    Fair winds,
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    Thanks for the insight Meli. Berni- you have accomplished more than that troll schoonertroll ever will begin to. If they would stop feeding his troll, he would just continue on, responding to his own posts. (I am suspecting he has something to do with Raw Faith myself.......) Take a break, and keep posting when you can, of your REAL build. That's what WBF is really about.
    Last edited by skipper68; 02-29-2012 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Wrong name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    You know what? I hate it when people who come here have a go at Scot. You can spend as much time here as you like. You don't have to pay to be a member, you don't have to buy a coffee or a beer in order to be here, you don't have to leave a tip. It isn't even paid for out of your taxes. If you don't like to be here, sure, take your bat and ball and go home. Bernie, you offer a lot here and add value, sorry you got pissed off. But so many times I've seen whinging and moaning on here about the apparent failures of the moderator, if I was Scot I'd just shut the thing down. Please you guys, don't be such an ungrateful bunch of self important fools. This forum doesn't suit everyone all the time, but it is terrific. Its a technical resource, a place to hang out, a place for intellectual debate, a place just to have some fun, sometimes at the expense of others if they are fool enough to take the bait. Go easy on Scot.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper68 View Post
    Thanks for the insight Meli. Berni- you have accomplished more than that troll schoonerrat ever will begin to. If they would stop feeding his troll, he would just continue on, responding to his own posts. (I am suspecting he has something to do with Raw Faith myself.......) Take a break, and keep posting when you can, of your REAL build. That's what WBF is really about.
    Well Skip, us girls could all go out on strike and just post elsewhere until the blokes have finished trying to educumate the Schoonerwacca. (But I doubt they would notice )

    There is something really creepy/ugly about that guy, I'm feeling the bad vibe all over the forum.
    I guess it must just be a womans intuition thing) The insult and attempted belittlement of Bernie's "Katy" thread seemed to pass pass un remarked.

    So I'm off to "elsewhere" until this blows over.

    See ya

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    [QUOTE=Bernadette;3321857]it is not the schoonersrus posts that have upset me. in fact i have tended to find him 'pesky' at best. the last posts i read of his were akin to a stuck record player. going around and around on the same track...saying the same things over and over...

    my initial main concern was that scot hadnt taken some action. i thought the wooden boat magazine people would like to protect their standing in the marketplace. the forum in my opinion is the internet equivalent of the magazine.

    the reason for my dismay is altogether something different and probably something that will never change.

    i used to come to the forum when it was fun. now its a hard slog on a number of counts. i like the forum because i have met so many nice people. some people i have met in person, and others i have only met online. i enjoy the social side a lot. and i enjoy reading about other peoples work and especially their sailing trips. i have learnt from the forum too. it has shown me new boat building ideas and made me green with envy looking at far away places. and i have also enjoyed the ability to ask an unrelated question about something, and have any number of people chime in with replies and help. for all of that, i am very grateful.

    i feel at a loss to try to explain my reasons for leaving. at the moment i cant. but i will heed your advice, and take a break from the forum.

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    Excellent Bern, I missed this post .Glad you will be back .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    You know what? I hate it when people who come here have a go at Scot. You can spend as much time here as you like. You don't have to pay to be a member, you don't have to buy a coffee or a beer in order to be here, you don't have to leave a tip. It isn't even paid for out of your taxes. If you don't like to be here, sure, take your bat and ball and go home. Bernie, you offer a lot here and add value, sorry you got pissed off. But so many times I've seen whinging and moaning on here about the apparent failures of the moderator, if I was Scot I'd just shut the thing down. Please you guys, don't be such an ungrateful bunch of self important fools. This forum doesn't suit everyone all the time, but it is terrific. Its a technical resource, a place to hang out, a place for intellectual debate, a place just to have some fun, sometimes at the expense of others if they are fool enough to take the bait. Go easy on Scot.
    Yes and no Phil.

    Yes, because most here just post occasionally, asking legitimate questions to help with their build, find some kind of product, choose a design, or just have a good ol' dust up in the Bilge.

    No, because there are also a good many members who do spend money on maintaining picture hosting sites, are very experienced craftspeople and as a result provide enormous value and advice to the forum free of charge. These are the people who should not be alienated so much that they leave. I know that Jim Ledger has pretty much abandoned the place. His last activity was half a month ago, so he hasn't even been bothered to look in here. I've hinted at it as much, but now I feel I should let people know who they're going to be missing.

    I don't consider myself an invaluable part of the forum, but I'm still willing to spend $80US a year to host about 2000 pictures. There are a lot more like me as well. I'm feeling pretty pissed off that this ijit has poisoned the air of the upper decks as I'd already pretty much abandoned the Bilge, having learnt that shovelling water isn't that much fun.

    If the decline continues (and it's pretty palpable at this stage) I'd have to say that I won't be feeling to encouraged to either stay, or spend money maintaining my Picturetrail account. There are still people and threads that keep me here, but that could still change.

    Just sayin'.
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    Duncan -

    Let me start by saying I'm not criticizing in any way. I am asking because I must admit I don't understand. How is it that one thread "poisons the forum"? I can see folks wanting to avoid the Bilge, but can't a thread or 5 topsides be ignored? I've heard the car accident analogy, but don't really feel it's apt - as I can see a thread title & poster name & easily say "Nope - no interest in looking at that." - while I know I will look at an accident (even having been a tow truck driver in the past - so I know better).

    I thought that the not showing bilge threads would improve things, but there seem to be folks like yourself that feel that wasn't enough. What would be? What changes would make you feel better about the forum?

    Please let me repeat - I am trying to understand & am not saying that anything you said was invalid or incorrect.

    Thanks!

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    In not so many words Garret, Jim, and others, who feel that they are undertaking serious builds and providing value to the forum are being completely undermined by this ridiculous thread and a whole bunch of people, who should know better, keeping the damned thing alive. I suggest a mass un-subscription to it. But better still Scot should either move it to the Bilge or better still delete the thing and be rid of it once and for all. This is what used to happen here, but there appears to have been a policy change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Duncan -

    Let me start by saying I'm not criticizing in any way. I am asking because I must admit I don't understand. How is it that one thread "poisons the forum"? I can see folks wanting to avoid the Bilge, but can't a thread or 5 topsides be ignored? I've heard the car accident analogy, but don't really feel it's apt - as I can see a thread title & poster name & easily say "Nope - no interest in looking at that." - while I know I will look at an accident (even having been a tow truck driver in the past - so I know better).

    I thought that the not showing bilge threads would improve things, but there seem to be folks like yourself that feel that wasn't enough. What would be? What changes would make you feel better about the forum?

    Please let me repeat - I am trying to understand & am not saying that anything you said was invalid or incorrect.

    Thanks!

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    I agree Garret, i have no trouble what so ever avoiding said thread .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    In not so many words Garret, Jim, and others, who feel that they are undertaking serious builds and providing value to the forum are being completely undermined by this ridiculous thread and a whole bunch of people, who should know better, keeping the damned thing alive. I suggest a mass un-subscription to it. But better still Scot should either move it to the Bilge or better still delete the thing and be rid of it once and for all. This is what used to happen here, but there appears to have been a policy change.
    Thanks Duncan. I guess I don't see how one thread undermines others, but that's probably a blind spot for me. I do agree that - with all the surrounding hooraw, it probably ought to go to the Bilge. Thing is - what if he actually does build it? Guess that could be a new thread.

    I think Scot has a really tough job & in general keeps a largely hands-off approach. The originator of that thread did get his wrist slapped & has cleaned up quite a bit - though he still has a long ways to go before I'd bring him home to meet the parents

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    If it's a choice between Jim and Schoonerdude, I know what decision I'd make: In an instant!
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    As an actual schooner owner/builder back in the "day" I wouldn't hold my breath for the materialization of this one! The "dude" is no schooner man and/or builder.

    As an actual yacht broker/sales back in the "day" he is not going to build, commission or buy one either. We sold lots of 50 foot boats down in Texas and this guy would have been laughed off the docks the minute he opened his mouth.

    Why is a troll like this detrimental to other builders and members of WBF? If we take him seriously or appear to, we are then negating the value of bonifide builders and knowledge offered by those who deserve to be listened to as sage advisors.

    How is a new or less experienced builder to know whom to listen to and whom to ignore? When over 50 pages of inane rambling, bombastic clutter comes up first constantly what must they think WBF represents?

    I am a junior member but have been reading Wooden Boat for all of my life almost, so I would say that represents about 60 years of readership. I agree that this forum is an extension of the magazine and must guard its reputation with the same dilegence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    If it's a choice between Jim and Schoonerdude, I know what decision I'd make: In an instant!
    I agree with that about 1 bazillion %

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMonies View Post
    As an actual schooner owner/builder back in the "day" I wouldn't hold my breath for the materialization of this one! The "dude" is no schooner man and/or builder.

    As an actual yacht broker/sales back in the "day" he is not going to build, commission or buy one either. We sold lots of 50 foot boats down in Texas and this guy would have been laughed off the docks the minute he opened his mouth.

    Why is a troll like this detrimental to other builders and members of WBF? If we take him seriously or appear to, we are then negating the value of bonifide builders and knowledge offered by those who deserve to be listened to as sage advisors.

    How is a new or less experienced builder to know whom to listen to and whom to ignore? When over 50 pages of inane rambling, bombastic clutter comes up first constantly what must they think WBF represents?

    I am a junior member but have been reading Wooden Boat for all of my life almost, so I would say that represents about 60 years of readership. I agree that this forum is an extension of the magazine and must guard its reputation with the same dilegence.

    Mike Monies- The Red Scamp
    It's impossible to silence the crowd once they get the bit in their teeth, but the continued popularity of this thread is a mystery to me. It would sink of it's own weight if the usually sensible people who continue to support it's existence would just stop doing that!


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    Here's the subscription list to the thread:

    http://forum.woodenboat.com/misc.php...osted&t=137305

    Garret, your the top poster after Schoonertroll. I think that there's a way you can quickly unsubscribe from a whole thread, but I can't see it right now. Maybe look at the V-Bulletin help site and there may be a tool to do exactly that that isn't apparent to me.

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