Yard time , this time we try a travel lift .

[ramillett]

Looks like the rest of the horns coming out .

[boattruck]

Ram, Looking good, I had a feeling you would find some other things to set right while you had her apart, hope you find your 'edge' and stop taking apart soon and finish the putting together. Y you sure are doing the right stuff for her. The reason I was asking about your frames is that I have a boat that needs full re-framing, through the middle of the boat, the laminated frames work real nice built in place ( don't get to 'polish' them, as you have done in your boat but... my program is likely to be a great deal more towards the 'lean and mean' end....) but towards the bow and stern you start to run into significant bevel, that makes laminating in place problematic, what you are doing with the 'split stack' is a great way to get it done and get a fully beveled fine looking frame and works great. For my project, I will have to fit under two bilge stringers, so will need to do a test run or two and see how much can be slipped under and assembled in place...Keep up the good work! Cheers, Steve/BT

[ramillett]

Steve I was thinking the same as you , before I saw how Wayne does it , a whole lot easier . If you were in the neighborhood , I would say come down to the yard , climb the ladder , take a nice comfy seat in the saloon , and set back and learn The only down side now is I can't offer you a cold drink , no frig Working from templets on boats is the only way to go , easier to fit , no math mistakes , and if you just glue strips to the inside of the hull , its hard to have nice square edges to fit bulkheads and interiors to . Bob

[ramillett]

Can't do too much more digging , without coming out the bottom Bob

[Larks]

Bob, were you expecting this much to need to be done? You seem very "calm" with so much work going on, no doubt she's in very good hands but....., crumbs mate there's a lot happening there.

[ramillett]

Larks After 24 years I don't get surprised much anymore . The unknown costs are a bit scary , but getting rid of a bunch of bleeders and ugly spots is nice , also knowing what's there is reassuring . There is something cool about Olinka , when I bought her we only had $5,000 in our life savings , but for some reason every time olinka needs a big fix , the business always gets an unexpected jump in sales . We call it the "Olinka Gods" , and it hasn't mist a beat Bob

[Larks]

That's great to hear Bob, who ever said "the Gods must be crazy"? Sounds like they're right on the job.

[ramillett]

It wasn't just carnage today , I see they did get some rivets in

[Phil Y]

Larks After 24 years I don't get surprised much anymore . The unknown costs are a bit scary , but getting rid of a bunch of bleeders and ugly spots is nice , also knowing what's there is reassuring . There is something cool about Olinka , when I bought her we only had $5,000 in our life savings , but for some reason every time olinka needs a big fix , the business always gets an unexpected jump in sales . We call it the "Olinka Gods" , and it hasn't mist a beat Bob

I like that. I've always found that every time a bit of money comes along, a boat problem or some other emergency comes along and gobbles it up. Your take is that every time a problem comes along, some money just happens to come in to take care of it. perfect.

[ramillett]

Phil Olinka Gods sound more fun then a glass half empty or full bit , Right

[Phil Y]

yup

[ramillett]

Today Wayne got the top of what's left of the horn timber all feathered in .

[boattruck]

Ram, One of these old days I'll take a rain check, once you've got your cold box going, likely, would love to look through your exemplary project,( bus-mans holiday, my poor bride gets to tour all manner of of old boats wherever we go...) till then, carry on and enjoy, great to see her getting better and better. Cheers

[willmarsh3]

You have a very beautiful boat. I look forward to your relaunch. This is the sort of getting it done thread I enjoy reading.

[Larks]

Ram, One of these old days I'll take a rain check, once you've got your cold box going, likely, would love to look through your exemplary project,( bus-mans holiday, my poor bride gets to tour all manner of of old boats wherever we go...) till then, carry on and enjoy, great to see her getting better and better. Cheers

Have you never heard the term "knock with your elbows BT?", it refers to the visitor bringing the cold beers, (enough that your hands are full), though maybe it's an Australianism.......??? If I was anywhere near I wouldn't be waiting for Bob's fridge to be up and running to pay a visit.

[rogue]

Really looking good...those frames are things of beauty! What wood are you using for the horn timber? It seems I've seen Olinka in the last few years, but can't put my finger on it...We did the McNish Race year before last on Rogue, and have cruised the Channel Islands each summer since 2009, so I may have seen her on one of those trips...Beautiful vessel!

[ramillett]

Really looking good...those frames are things of beauty! What wood are you using for the horn timber? It seems I've seen Olinka in the last few years, but can't put my finger on it...We did the McNish Race year before last on Rogue, and have cruised the Channel Islands each summer since 2009, so I may have seen her on one of those trips...Beautiful vessel!

The ribs are laminated oak , and the horn timber looks like the only piece of wood big enough , is going to be teak . WE haven't done McNish , or the Channel Islands yet , so I'm guessing you saw Circe , a little smaller Plym S&S . Bob

[hokiefan]

Larks After 24 years I don't get surprised much anymore . The unknown costs are a bit scary , but getting rid of a bunch of bleeders and ugly spots is nice , also knowing what's there is reassuring . There is something cool about Olinka , when I bought her we only had $5,000 in our life savings , but for some reason every time olinka needs a big fix , the business always gets an unexpected jump in sales . We call it the "Olinka Gods" , and it hasn't mist a beat Bob

Some years ago one of our vehicles needs a significant repair. Can't remember what, but between $1500 & $2000. My wife (who pays the bills and does the books) remarked that she could feel it coming. I asked her how? She said, "I've been accumulating some money to buy xxxx. Of course the car gods demand payment!"

Glad your Olinka fortune works out better. She's a beautiful boat and well kept.

Cheers,

Bobby

[Lucky Luke]

Yes I do believe Olinka is one of the loveliest and most loved boats I've come across, she is a credit to you.

Mike

Well loved, for sure!

....and may we at least mention that her beauty is a credit - if any needed, so famous he is ! - to the genius and ultimate Art of Olin Stephens?

[boattruck]

Larks, Never heard the term, but sure like the sentiment! I more meant that it'll be a while before I can get down to Olinka's neighborhood, its a days travel from my home base, will do it one of these days, just not before he gets that beauty back in fine form...Cheers, Hutch/BT

[rogue]

Hi Bob, Well I must have seen her in her slip in our travels around S.Ca. I definately know CIRCE, and was aboard her at the Pacific Corinthian Yacht Club while we were guests..in fact, I was part owner of a S&S yawl named ORION built in 1934 for a couple of years, so I do have an eye for them..anyway, someday I hope to see her out sailing. Good luck with your project. Brian

[ramillett]

Today I stopped by the yard at lunch time , and had lunch with Ryan . Things are moving along nice , 4 ribs glued in , and at the rate they are going , most of the rivets should be in today . The top of the horn timber is all shaped and templates are made , and Wayne is off creating the new horn timber at his shop .

[ramillett]

Here is a shot of the start of the new horn timber at Wayne's shop .

[ramillett]

Today Wayne is fitting up the new teak horn timber , that should look cool with 20 coats of varnish

[Willin']

Wow! What a hunk of timber that is!

What are you gonna do about the sawed off floors?

[ramillett]

Will , we're going to build all new ones , and change there shape a little , and also replace 4 steel floors with wood . Bob

[Larks]

Bob, I don't quite understand how much of the horn timber has been replaced, or maybe I'm just a bit of a numb nut and don't quite understand what the horn timber is. In post #62 it looks like he's cut a scarf from the join behind the bunk down to what I assume is the existing keel timber in the (or is it still part of the horn structure?). But in the photo above it looks like a whole new length of timber replacing both the scarfed bit and the bit behind that join, which I assume goes back to the transom? Then there's a new length over the keel timber?

Has the whole horn structure been cut out back to the keel but it just doesn't show up in the photo (ie I can't see the pavement shipyard between the floors), and then been replaced completely with new? Or have you only had to replace a new top section/interior section to the satructure?

[ramillett]

Bob, I don't quite understand how much of the horn timber has been replaced, or maybe I'm just a bit of a numb nut and don't quite understand what the horn timber is. In post #62 it looks like he's cut a scarf from the join behind the bunk down to what I assume is the existing keel timber in the (or is it still part of the horn structure?). But in the photo above it looks like a whole new length of timber replacing both the scarfed bit and the bit behind that join, which I assume goes back to the transom? Then there's a new length over the keel timber?

Has the whole horn structure been cut out back to the keel but it just doesn't show up in the photo (ie I can't see the pavement shipyard between the floors), and then been replaced completely with new? Or have you only had to replace a new top section/interior section to the satructure?

Larks Here's a shot of the new horn timber , upside down . The old horn was laminated out of 3 two and one half inch planks , if you look at the picture the thin end is the back of the boat , the tapper has 2 angles , each angle is a scarf of 2-1/2" , the full thickness is at the rudder post where the most damage is/was . You well see where the timber is full thickness , on the bottom ( witch is the top ) we went an extra 2-1/2" to beef up where the old shaft log was . The new shaft log is going to be 3 foot longer ( and 3/4" bigger dia. ) , and made of high pressure glass and resin , and supported at each new floor .



This was the old log , hard to get to , to service .


The new log well be bored threw the new floor and stop 2" short of the quadrant . Bob



And yes we left the last 1-3/8" , just to keep all the plank ends together

[Larks]

Thanks Bob, that makes more sense now.

It's a tremendous benefit to see these sort of jobs documented here, I find it gives a great insight and confidence to see just what can be achieved in repairing wooden boats.

[ramillett]

Thanks Larks

I agree with you , it's nice to have a test model too tare apart , take pictures , set back and study , and see how you can do better . Thank God for digital cameras Bob

[chuckt]

Is the new timber laminated as well? I almost see a vertical line but that could be a shallow crack.

[Willin']

Jeez, I've just watched it happen and I still don't know how they prepared the mating surfaces so precisely. Whatever you're paying them, those guys are worth more!

[chuckt]

Yes--how did they fair the faying surfaces?

[ramillett]

Is the new timber laminated as well? I almost see a vertical line but that could be a shallow crack.

Chuck it was cut out of a big log , shown on #73 . Bob

[ramillett]

Yes--how did they fair the saying surfaces?

Chuck if there is anything I've learned about wood boats this last 24 years , if you don't make good templates , you're spinning your wheels . Bob

[ramillett]

Jeez, I've just watched it happen and I still don't know how they prepared the mating surfaces so precisely. Whatever you're paying them, those guys are worth more!

Will , Wayne spent the time making the top of what was left of the old timber accurate , so the mating was easier . Bob

[ramillett]

Today at the yard , looks like the horn has all the bolt holes transferred , rudder tube holes transferred , and the notches for the floors , ready to glue in . I guess today they are working at Wayne's shop , making new bronze bolts , and the new floors .



View from the back .



Here's my big project for the day , 2 bronze washers .

[chuckt]

Wow! The holes are drilled from a template. I've so much to learn. I would not have thought it possible to get the holes in precisely the right place without putting the piece in and then drilling using the existing holes.

It's possible I dont understand. Am I right that only a portion of the existing timber was removed--not the whole thing. And now you are putting this new piece on top. I think it way beyond my ability to get the faying surfaces perfect and to drill holes from a pattern template. Kudos to your shipwright.

Is there something going in between the layers? Somthing like tar/felt or dolphnite or red lead?

[ramillett]

Wow! The holes are drilled from a template. I've so much to learn. I would not have thought it possible to get the holes in precisely the right place without putting the piece in and then drilling using the existing holes.

It's possible I dont understand. Am I right that only a portion of the existing timber was removed--not the whole thing. And now you are putting this new piece on top. I think it way beyond my ability to get the faying surfaces perfect and to drill holes from a pattern template. Kudos to your shipwright.

Is there something going in between the layers? Somthing like tar/felt or dolphnite or red lead?

Chuck in #74 you see the horn in finial fit up , at that point they used the the "BEST" template , they drilled threw the old threw holes of the boat . Today when I stopped by , they were notching for the nuts on the holes for the bolts that only go threw this beam , then they screw a temporary bolt in with wax , then the whole thing well be floated in epoxy . When that sets up , they remove those bolts , and install the floors , using studs , that way they do not have to remove the rest of the cockpit . And yes you are right some of the old timber was left . Bob

[BrianM]

Hi Bob,

It's nice to see a boat with that much Steel/Iron in her kept up and looking good. It's easy for that stuff to run away on you and take out enough wood to turn her into potting soil sooner than later. That being said, I see this groundstrap on your packing gland. Are all your thru-hulls tied together electrically?

I have plenty of iron nails still in my bronze-refastened boat with Cast Iron Ballast. I removed all those groundwires as I suspected they were causing plenty of trouble in attacking the wood directly adjacent to any Iron in the wood. When you tie together enough bronze that is electrically linked to iron (direct, or indirect via salt water), it's bad news.

I've had very good luck now for 8 years with no zincs and each thru-hull left "floating". No big AC going into my boat BTW, just a carefully wired Battery Charger.

Nice Looking work! Boat is a beaut.

Brian

[chuckt]

Of course! Thanks. I feel much better. I thought that they somehow possessed superhuman template skills. The actual method seems within reach of mortals.

[ramillett]

Hi Bob,

It's nice to see a boat with that much Steel/Iron in her kept up and looking good. It's easy for that stuff to run away on you and take out enough wood to turn her into potting soil sooner than later. That being said, I see this groundstrap on your packing gland. Are all your thru-hulls tied together electrically?

I have plenty of iron nails still in my bronze-refastened boat with Cast Iron Ballast. I removed all those groundwires as I suspected they were causing plenty of trouble in attacking the wood directly adjacent to any Iron in the wood. When you tie together enough bronze that is electrically linked to iron (direct, or indirect via salt water), it's bad news.

I've had very good luck now for 8 years with no zincs and each thru-hull left "floating". No big AC going into my boat BTW, just a carefully wired Battery Charger.

Nice Looking work! Boat is a beaut.

Brian

Brian that was a left over from her Electro-guard / single-side-band days . You might see some copper tape they ran all over the place in some of my before pictures . I agree with you , nothing is best . The only zinc on the boat is on her Max-prop . Bob

[ramillett]

Here is the last shot before they epoxied it in this afternoon .

[BBSebens]

You, sir, are a crazy person.

Which means your in good company.


Looking good. Eager to see what you do with the floors.

[ramillett]

Horn timber is glued in , here is the first floor to be fit , Bob



Sorry for the orange tint , that is the orange tarp

[BBSebens]

Are you not inclined to do replace the last couple metal floors while your at it?

From that pic anyway, there only seem to be a couple more.

[ramillett]

No , they are in good shape , being above the water line they don't get the salt . They are also able to be serviced ( removable without needing to pull the boat ) , the mizzen chain plates are tied into them . Bob

[SchoonerRat]

I never tire of seeing Wayne's work, even "in absentia" by photo. When he rebuilt Kelpie (twice - first re-deck, then a few years later re-plank), He had nothing near Olinka's quality to start with. When you give somebody a Rembrandt to restore, you up the ante a bit.

Any predictions for how long before you're hangin' rags on her again?

[ramillett]

Hoping for June/July Bob

[ramillett]

The floor in front of the mizzen mast step got glued in today . The steel floor behind that one , got removed and well be replaced with a wood one . The big floor under the traveller has been fit up , had the rudder post hole first bored , this one well support the back of the cockpit , main sheet load , support the steering pedestal .