Bigger Grey Seal?

[Reynard38]

So I'm thinking down the road a bit since the Coquina is nearly complete. I really like the Grey Seal, but if I'm going to build something bigger I'd like it to be @ 24' or so.
Did Ian Oughtred design something like this? I read something that said he might have.

[sailboy3]

Not big enough? The Grey Seal is a big boat for its length. See pic and link for forumite Rob J's Huon Seal.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...l-Portland-Vic

[Reynard38]

Grey Seal as a Gaff Rigged Cutter, nice!

[biglad]

Might be worth a letter or phonecall to Iain O. Perhaps you could increase the distance between the stations by a factor and get the length you're looking for. Similar to what James McMullen did to get his Sooty Tern.

Ben

[TerryLL]

I wrote to Iain a while back about stretching a Caledonia Yawl out to 22' by increasing the station spacing, and he was agreeable to the idea. Pulling a Grey Seal out to 24' would be less of a change than taking a CY to 22'. Iain offered to tweak the sail plan (for a modest price) for the larger boat. The Grey Seal and CY have very similar beam-to-length ratios, so increasing the length while keeping the beam as designed seems practical.

[Reynard38]

Guess I'll send Ian a letter. I heard he doesn't have internet access. Anybody got an address? He's in the UK isn't he?

[Yeadon]

He's on Facebook, so he must have an email address these days.

[Old Dryfoot]

I can't find a link but didn't someone stretch out a Grey Seal already? I think they named the redesign a Silver Seal, or something similar to that.

[biglad]

There might be an Iain Oughtred on Facebook but I doubt its the man you need. Iain is a very traditional guy and post or phone is the best way to get hold of him. His address is Struan Cottage, Bernisdale, Isle of Skye, Scotland, IV51 9NS.

[Reynard38]

Thanks,

I'll send him some snail mail this week.

[TerryLL]

An Arctic Tern was stretched to 23-6, and named the Silver Tern. Here's a link:

http://www.steamlaunch.co.nz/SilverTern.html

[skaraborgcraft]

Something slightly bigger? How about a Nordic Folkboat? Or do you prefer you ply and goo? ( apparently one folkboat has been built from glued lap plywood) Do you intend to trailer often?

[Portland]

As the owner of a grey seal , I reckon they are a beautiful boat , but if I wanted a 24 ft boat , it wouldn't be a stretched Seal , it would be something a bit roomier.
I have my boat on the market , as beautiful as she is , because of the limited room in the cockpit and cabin.
Before you make a decision on a stretched Grey Seal , work out what you really want in your boat , and then look around , get to try a few different boats , if you can.
Its no good having a beautiful boat , if it doesn't fulfill your needs (as I have).
Regards Rob J.

[Old Dryfoot]

An Arctic Tern was stretched to 23-6, and named the Silver Tern. Here's a link:

http://www.steamlaunch.co.nz/SilverTern.html

Well I was way off, I could have sworn I saw a stretched Grey Seal someplace. My bad.

[davebrown]

YOu could build the most beautiful WORK BOAT in the history of mankind. I am of course referring to Sjogin. I don't know if I would put it against a Watch Hill15, in terms of looks, since they are apples and oranges, I mean striper and swordfish.

[gilberj]

If I were stretching Grey Seal I'd think of going to perhaps 28 feet. I think that would be some boat. Make the ends just a little longer to get the sleeker looks, but most of the increase would be mid-body to get people room. Probably mine would be a ketch.

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

There might be an Iain Oughtred on Facebook but I doubt its the man you need. Iain is a very traditional guy and post or phone is the best way to get hold of him. His address is Struan Cottage, Bernisdale, Isle of Skye, Scotland, IV51 9NS.

... and his phone number is +44 1 470 532 732.

[RFNK]

I believe Grey Seal was based on the Folkboat so it would make sense, if you wanted a bigger Grey Seal, to build a Folkboat. My Folkboat was built in 1962 using glued lap plywood. Seems to work.



Rick

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

Rick, what a magnificent picture!

Mike

[WX]

There is a stretched version of Grey Seal, it's called Big Seal (Roan Mhor Ron Mohu)
LOD 7.490 m (24'6")
Beam 2.470 m (8'1")
Weight 1500 kgs (3300 Lbs)
Displacement 1950 kgs (4300 Lbs)
Gunter, Bermudan Sloop, Yawl and Junk rig

[Reynard38]

That is an incredible photo, and a beautiful boat.
The trick would be maintaining the proportions that give Grey Seal it's charm.

[Reynard38]

There is a stretched version of Grey Seal, it's called Big Seal (Roan Mhor Ron Mohu)
LOD 7.490 m (24'6")
Beam 2.470 m (8'1")
Weight 1500 kgs (3300 Lbs)
Displacement 1950 kgs (4300 Lbs)
Gunter, Bermudan Sloop, Yawl and Junk rig

Was it redrawn by Ian? If so maybe he could supply plans.

[almeyer]

I'm looking in Nic Compton's biography of Iain; he lists a "Super Seal" designed in 2007. Design no. 104, length 24'7". May be the same as the Big Seal above.
Al

[davebrown]

No one could criticize a decision to build a Grey Seal. BUT...

[Reynard38]

I looked through Nic Comptons book. There is a reference to a Super Seal. 24'7" in length.
Just mailed a letter to Ian. Been a while since I've sent snail mail to anyone!
I'll let y'all know when I get a response.

[keyhavenpotterer]

There might be an Iain Oughtred on Facebook but I doubt its the man you need.

I do believe it is THE Iain Oughtred on Facebook. Just read his wall postings, and notice who is friends are. I heard Iain had to use a computer to update one of his books.

Brian

[WX]

Was it redrawn by Ian? If so maybe he could supply plans.

I think these guys stock the plans.
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/

[Portland]

I believe it would be best to contact Iain.
I did , and yes , he has an e-mail address , but at that stage I don't believe he had a computer at home.
I'd give him a call or write , and take it from there .
Regards Rob J.

[biglad]

Wow, I knew Iain had a computer with internet access as he has looked at photos of my boat here before but didnt know he used it for much, let alone facebook.

Ben

[Reynard38]

I sent him a letter. I've got Nick Comptons book and it does indeed mention Super Seal (thanks for the tip)? I guess it'll be awhile before I hear back, but I've got plenty of finishing and sailing on the Coquina to keep me busy.

[Reynard38]

Got a response back from Iain today. The Ron Mohr, or Super Seal does exist! It's actually a modification of the Grey Seal. From his explanation you get a set of Grey Seal plans and also additional sheets for the mods. It is build in glued lap ply, with or without laminated frames (I'd use them as Iain suggests its a good idea for a blue water used boat)
Also can be built with several different rigs.

[Sayla]

Ron Mohr (Big Seal) plans listed

http://www.oughtredboats.com/

[StevenBauer]

Did you guys spot this on the linked page above?

"Queues awaited. And the film crew. A movie is being made on Iain’s life and work and the crew has been traveling between Europe, Scotland and Australia gathering material."
And this:
"Ned Trewartha was one of the most interesting builders in the pavilion. He does jewel-like totally traditionally built interpretations of Iain’s designs. His centrepiece at the show was an Iain Oughtred designed Acorn 15 which was just glorious in its handmade perfection. He kindly let the film crew take it to the water, launch it, and put Iain in it to row around for the cameras. You will see it I am sure when the final film comes out in about 12 months."


Sounds good to me.

Steven

[RFNK]

Sure does!

Rick

[Portland]

I spoke to the bloke taking Iain to Adelaide , and offered him a sail on my Grey Seal , on his way past , but they never took it up.
Rob J.

[patrice Hubert]

Hum... gigger than the grey seal. If you really want a safe boat, try Batritningar design N° 85 " Fiskebat 8 Anna...

[Portland]

I don't believe it !.
Patrice , I have the plans for VG8 Anna !.
But she is a motor fishing boat.
A good one , but not a sailing boat.
Regards Rob J.

[patrice Hubert]

OK Portland i knew that. But i wander why VG8 Anna could not sail, after all if she has a keel... It often crosseed my mind to ask the question to her designer. You have the plan are you intending to built the boat, it will be great. At the moment i built the selway fisher "Snipa" 18' 7'' also a nordic inspiration boat... Also a motor boat with a keel... and she has been desing for sailing.

[Portland]

Patrice , I showed the plans to a very well respected boatbuilder that has worked on my Grey Seal. http://classicwoodenboat.com.au/boat...der-port-fairy .
He has built a lot of these types of boats , and also converted a lot to motor sailing .
He said he could set it up to sail reasonably well.
There are very similar boats for sale now http://fiskerforum.dk/kutterdata/def...&kutterId=7649 .
SG 8 Anna is a very nice boat , but I'm looking to buy second hand.
Regards Rob J.

[keyhavenpotterer]

Up from Grey Seal, the line continues I think with Chuck Paine. His:-

Carol - 24'



Frances 26'


http://frances26.org/

There's a new Frances - Frances II with updated keel and rig.

http://www.chuckpaine.com/blog/

Chuck Paine really knows what he's doing, aesthetically and functionally. These boats were inspired by the North Sea Scottish fishing boats when he travelled there. Very similar lines to Oughtred's Caledonia Yawl, but bigger, with keels. The Frances 26 also has been made in GRP in the USA (Morris Leigh 26) and UK (Victoria 26) with small cabins. More details in his design book. Strip plank construction as designed. Multiple rig options inc. a cutter.

[andrewpatrol]

I am actually building a Grey Seal ( pics coming) and I thought I'd shell out the few sheckles for the "Super Seal" supplemental drawings. At $AUD95 pretty cheap really, They are meant to be used in conjunction with the 22' GS plans. Some specs for you, length 24'7" Beam 8'1" Draught 2'6" Disp 1950 Kg. Basically very similar to little brother. Two things I did notice on a quick perusal was the off-centre, centreboard and an option of an inboard rudder as against the stern hung one. A choice of gunter or gaff rig sloops with about 300 sq ft. I didnt see a full keel option like little brother ???? and planking is specified at 5/8 solid timber not sure what that would translate to in ply.

[keyhavenpotterer]

"

Roan Mhor (Gaelic for 'Big Seal') came about as a result of requests from those who like the Grey Seal, but wanted more length to make her more comfortable for open ocean passage making and extended basic living aboard.The first Roan Mhor is being built by Albrecht Frank in Austria, and hopefully another, traditionally planked, in BC, Canada. Grey Seal is a well proven, straightforward building project, a very capable small cruiser; There are several in Australia, Europe, North America and many other countries. Roan Mhor will add to that reputation, with the greater speed and more comfortable sea keeping that results from her added length, and the additional work and materials will not be great. Grey Seal has options for Gaff, Gunter sloop, Gaff Yawl and junk rigs. While the Roan Mhor, like Kotik, has a slightly offset centre board for much simpler construction without loss of effectiveness, and you will not have stones and mud getting jammed in the case.			Construction Options: Traditional plank.		Click image to enlarge More Pics:
			LOA: Beam: Draft: Sail Area: Weight: Construction Time: Crew:		7.49 m - 24' 7" 2.47 m - 8' 1" 1.04 m - 3' 4" 1950.00 kg - 4300 lbs 1000 hours 4

http://www.oughtredboats.com/