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    Well, some of you might not be too surprised but I am soon to be the proud owner of Concordia Yawl #26 "Mary Ann." I signed the contract and overnighted the check today.

    I always knew that one day I would own a sailing cruiser. I just didn't know when or under what circumstances. The path to the #26 began with my desire for a family ski boat. I had fallen in love with the Chris Craft Continental in "On Golden Pond," so that is what I sought out and found. After enjoying her for a while, we decided something larger would be more to our taste. Hence, my sale of the Continental and purchase and restoration of the Emma Kate--a 30' Chris Craft Cruiser. The sailboat was always, however, in my mind and I occaisonally perused the various classifieds for project boats. It was in early 2011 when I began to realize something: wonderful wooden cruisers were accumulating on the market and prices were dropping. Sometime in the Spring of 2011, I decided I would keep my eyes open for a bargain. I even began to go look at some to get a feel for what I might want someday. Several months ago we combined a vacation trip to Maine with stops to look at several boats. It was then I saw my first Concordia: Sea hawk. I confess I had not even heard of Concordias but this boat really spoke to me. The lines of the boat are so graceful. You just want to run your fingers down the pictures of them, tracing the curves. And they just smack of simplicity and practicality. Then I read more about them and talked to owners, brokers, and yardmen. The boats are held in such high regard. Margo Geer loaned me her Concordia book--truly a work of art. I was sold on the boat then if not before.

    So I focused on the Concordias for sale on the lower end of the price range. It was a great time to be shopping. There are 20 for sale right now. Despite this, the Concordias seemed to demand a premium that other vessels do not. I could have bought an S&S or an Alden in better shape for less but I was too far in love with these boats to go that way. Because my budget was limited, it came down to just a few boats at the bottom of the price list. Mary Ann, I knew, was a donated boat. I was hoping that, because of this, the organization would be more willing to negotiate than most individual owners. Also, like many wooden sailboats, she had been on the market for quite a while. Finally, she needed work that was going to take a lot of hours. Full and Associates had already done a survey on her and the news was not good: 7 broken frames, several broken floor timbers, tired sternpost, poor deadwood, in need of rudder rebuild, time for refastening, and time to drop and rework the ballast, and possibly a new forefoot. On the positive side, she has had ballast bolts replaced, some new planking, some new frames, a new and longer mast step, rewiring, and new cabin top canvas. The owners obviosuly took great care of all other maintenace over the years. Cosmetically, she looks very nice and sports a nice electronics package, propane stove, lots of sails, a refurbished Graymarine, and other goodies. She is also a fairly orginal Concordia--no poorly conceived repairs or alterations.

    It came down to her and one other Concordia. The other Concordia needed no structural work and could be sailed away. She needed a lot of work too but most of that was cosmetic. The other boat was priced very favorably and, using that price as my guide, I made my offer on Mary Ann significantly less than what I thought the other boat would go for. But I did not think my offer unfair given the work that needed to be done and the market. Nevertheless, I half-expected my offer to be declined but they countered very close and I accepted. Frankly, if the counter had been much higher than my offer, the other Concordia would have made more sense. And I wonder if 12 months from now, as I am replacing screws and after doing all the structural work, I will wish I had gone with the boat ready to sail. Oh well.

    So there's the beginning of the story. Mary Anne is in Maine waiting on us to close the deal and arrange the shipping. Journeys End in Rockport will haul her for me to S.C. on a Brownell hyraulic trailer. I will have to build a new shed as she will not fit in the workspace I built for Emma Kate.

    Don't look for too much activity for a while. I do have to build the shed soon. I need to complete my Emma Kate projects before I start on Mary Ann. I do not plan on going at Mary Ann at the pace I kept with Emma Kate. I am not in a hurry and this job is going to demand a much higher degree of precision and workmanship than I have produced in the past. I am excited to say the least.










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    Congratulations!

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    Brilliant choice. Congratulations to Mary Ann for choosing such a good boat swain.

    Now you need to find a copy of the "Yaachting" magazine, the parody put out by Bess Myers a decade or so back, and copy-to-frame the back cover ad. It'll be the perfect irony for the man who does his own work.

    In the foreground is the very image of a young rich upper class couple, dressed in tennies and looking fit. In the soft late afternoon light behind them is a yacht club dock with about four or so Concordia's looking fantastic.

    The caption reads simply:

    Old Money 40
    You are rich.
    They should know.

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    Nice avatar change.

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    Congratulations.
    I hope you'll include in the restoration budget some professional guidance from the likes of Paul Haley (Giffy Full's successor).
    When you're done and are ready for the obligatory Baeteka, I'll be happy to help.
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    Most excellent!
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    What a worthwhile project and it's great to see such a beautiful boat coming south. Congratulations.
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    Thanks all. I'm pretty excited. Ian, I'll have to look around for that picture--sounds hilarious. Jim--Paul Haley actually did the survey and did a very thorough job at that. I've talked to Paul Rollins today about helping me with some things that may be beyond me. I will be proceeding with great caution and care. Fortunately for me, there are a lot of helpful folks out there who have been through this over and over with these boats.
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    Congratulations and condolences. Looking forward to following your new project. She is truly beautiful.
    She requires of her owner a custodial obligation and responsibility that has absolutely nothing to do with financial return on investment or annual cost of maintaining and operating her.

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    Congrats. Nice way to fly!

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    Where will you keep her, Chuck? That's a boat that deserves big water.

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    Jeez, you don't mess around do you Chuck! Not a year out from what for some would have been the project of a lifetime. And now this! CONGRATS! She's real looker, and I know you'll do her right. I can't wait to watch and learn.

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    Congratulations! I'm glad to see Mary Ann go to someone who wants her. She was at the boatyard I worked at for years (she was there even longer) and it's good to hear she has a new home, at long last. She mostly sat at her mooring all summer after we painted and launched her. One summer we went to get her at the end and I was quite sure she'd never been off the mooring by the way the tiller was lashed, i.e., exactly as I'd left it.

    All those things Paul said she needed are true (not that you need a second opinion) and best of luck to you. As you probably already know, the folks at Concordia and Rockport Marine have extensive experience rebuilding them and will be eager to see/help you do right by her, should you need to ask how the most common Concordia problems are addressed (broken frames, for one).

    I was not aware Mary Ann had been donated, presumably to a non-profit. Which one was it?
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    Thanks boys. Tom, she will go down on the coast. Probably near Charleston. We are pretty likely to move down there sometime in the next few years. I suspect this restoration is going to take a couple of years. Paul Rollins tells me a lot of the time is not in making the timbers but all the fitting, finishing and messing with the planking. He could probably rough out the sternpost and forefoot in less than a couple of days. I might take a shot at doing everything myself and, if I'm not happy with a piece, get Paul to make it for me.

    Thanks Dave. I don't know when she got donated. She went to the Maine Sea Coast Mission. I read through their website. Its nice to know the money will go to help people. I don't know why, when or how she was donated. I may reach out to the owners who donated her at some point. I don't know the story but its probably the usual one and what you say is a good hint. Cosmetically, she looks awesome! I think she was well cared for and the skeletal problems are just what happens eventually and now its time to address them. I'm a little hesitant to call a pro and ask for advice since I'm taking their time. If you know some folks that really don't mind that, I'd appreciate knowing who they might be. Paul Rollins seemed very nice and willing to give advice.

    Thanks JIm and Crazer.

    I hope to enjoy Emma Kate a bit longer. But I think at some point she will need to go to another owner.
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    You likely know about Margo Geer and the detailed paper she wrote and delivered at the Herreshoff Museum's Classic Yacht Symposium a few years ago about her rebuild of 'Sarah'. To quote the old ad: "Don't leave home without it!"
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    Congratulations! A beautiful boat indeed! I still shake my headand wonder at the Concordia Co.'s use of Knotty Pine for cabin paneling and furniture though..... A boat that pretty really ought to have nice wood, not glorified pallet lumber..... Even clear Pine or D-Fir would be better tan Knotty Pine. It looks like a varnished boy's summer camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrleft8 View Post
    Congratulations! A beautiful boat indeed! I still shake my headand wonder at the Concordia Co.'s use of Knotty Pine for cabin paneling and furniture though..... A boat that pretty really ought to have nice wood, not glorified pallet lumber..... Even clear Pine or D-Fir would be better tan Knotty Pine. It looks like a varnished boy's summer camp.
    Which is pretty much what the original was! JAVA, the progenitor of the class had 'spattered dark paint' on the cabin sole. Waldo Howland's book 'The Concordia Years' describes the birth pains of the class and how it was designed as a relatively simple but well designed boat suitable for day sailing mostly and some modest cruising in a particular sailing area. I doubt they ever expected the boats to become thought of as the jewels some now consider them.

    I don't know however, but that some of the last ones built (in the mid-60s) might not have interiors constructed of finer woods.
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    Before I bought Goblin in '81 I was looking at a Concordia that had a nice mahogony interior. I don't know if that was original or a do over. Don't even recall which Concordia she was.

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    The pine has kinda grown on me. And the bunks remind me of "Das Boot". I looked at Polaris and she is done in black locust instead of the pine. It does look nice.
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    You have undoubtedly checked out the Concordia yawl website at
    http://www.concordiaboats.com/yawls.php

    There you will see that 'Mary Ann' used to be the old 'Babe.'
    She was owned by Arnie Gay, who also owned the premier boat yard in Annapolis for many years.
    She was queen of the fleet there, especially when she won the Newport-Bermuda Race in maybe 1980.

    Congratulations...a ocean racing champion!

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    Congratulations, Chuck. That's going to be a very nice project with great rewards at the end.

    I'm thinking hull #26 was built by A & R in Germany, right? Tight seams, no caulking?
    Goat Island Skiff and Simmons Sea Skiff construction photos here:

    http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w...esMan/?start=0

    and here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/37973275@N03/

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    Congrats on your new love. I would like to visit sometime when you get her down closer. Concordia #17 Actaea

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    Thanks Guys. I did know about her history having purchased the big Concordia book (after having borrowed Margo's for a bit). I'm not surprised she was raced a good bit given all the frame failures. A bunch have already been repaired and, as the my above posts indicate, a bunch more need replacement.

    captboo--where is Actaea? I see her owner listed as "Tony." Is that you? Mary Ann will definitely be visiting south when we get done.
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    May I ask the author/title of "the big Concordia book"?

    Thanks!

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    Hey Ethan--Elizabeth Meyer, Concordia Yawls, The First Fifty Years. If you love these boats, its worth the price. If not, I think I'd put the money in a cool new tool. I think you get them through woodenboat.com

    I'm waiting on Journey's End to find a return load. I hope they do it soon although I need some time to build a new shed. Emma Kate's building is just a little too narrow for a Concordia. Dang! I bet I spent an hour or two thinking about how I could widen it. Its easier to build something new. I spent most of today taking down a lean-too on the side of my hay barn. I will recycle the wood and steel roofing for Mary Ann's new home.
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    I have always (OK since I was about 10) had a soft spot for Concordias. Congratulations & may you both have lots of fun together.

    Do you have the cockpit backrests they originally came with? Always thought those were great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckt View Post
    ...the bunks remind me of "Das Boot".


    I remember the Root berths as very comfortable when off watch and heeling. But I was much younger then and watching the decks awash through the leeward cabin portholes from the strapped-up windward bunk was all new to me and kind of thrilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post

    All those things Paul said she needed are true (not that you need a second opinion) and best of luck to you. As you probably already know, the folks at Concordia and Rockport Marine have extensive experience rebuilding them and will be eager to see/help you do right by her, should you need to ask how the most common Concordia problems are addressed (broken frames, for one).

    I was not aware Mary Ann had been donated, presumably to a non-profit. Which one was it?
    Rockport Marine does indeed have extensive experience with the Concordias. The fleet they care for is growing by the looks(I'm a neighbor). Everyone at RM is very friendly and would no doubt steer you in the right direction if you need some related resource during your rebuild. I've photographed many of the Concordias as they haul and launch.

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    That's #58, OFF CALL, which lives in Camden at her dock next door to the Yacht club. Beautiful, though I saw her skipper make a scary-awful landing there last summer. She hooked her anchor on that black railing on the float.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnarey/5773002813/
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    That's #58, OFF CALL, which lives in Camden at her dock next door to the Yacht club. Beautiful, though I saw her skipper make a scary-awful landing there last summer. She hooked her anchor on that black railing on the float.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnarey/5773002813/
    Anyone who hasn't made a "scary-awful landing" hasn't tried hard enough

    I still shudder when I think of backing Neoga up the alley at Robinhood!

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    Congrats Chuck. Let the adventure begin!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Anyone who hasn't made a "scary-awful landing" hasn't tried hard enough

    I still shudder when I think of backing Neoga up the alley at Robinhood!
    Too true!! I remember taking a sailboat into her slip downwind around a sharp corner in a hard blow. It was a charter and the dock crew insisted she be brought in bow first. My fervent prayer was "Reverse gear, don't fail me now!!" as I threw it in and jammed the throttle forward to stop her forward progress. Getting lines secured to the dock safely and quickly was another challenge.
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    Off Call looks awesome! Wow. And thanks again everyone with the well wishes. I'm taking delivery before the end of the month to avoid $$$ for February storage. I may have to work on my shed by candlelight to get it done in time.
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    Yep, this is the start of a big journey. Best wishes.

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    Boats have been out in the weather for winters. The boat will make for some good staging to set the trusses. Ask me how I know that one?

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