20ft. Freighter Canoe build in Alaska

[Oyster]

i'm with you tim , and wish i did not have to put numbers on at all.
thanks
royce

[Oyster]

3 coats of varnish and will call it good for now

[Oyster]

i will not be doing any scuppered inwales and chair rails any time soon, quite the chore to varnish. bedliner for the floor next. 23 degrees this morning and i need to to put the bedliner on outside as it is some nasty crap, maybe warm enough this weekend.

[Tim Marchetti]

Looking great. What color bed liner did you get? I just used the standard black and painted it with grey porch and deck paint. I made up a test panel with glass , then rhino liner, then paint. You may want to do a panel with some bed liner on it so you can test your paint. Keep up the good work.

[Oyster]

Looking great. What color bed liner did you get? I just used the standard black and painted it with grey porch and deck paint. I made up a test panel with glass , then rhino liner, then paint. You may want to do a panel with some bed liner on it so you can test your paint. Keep up the good work.

thanks tim,
the bedliner is a product called monstaliner, it is a 2 part polyurethane with the tint mixed in it. the color is desert sand. my plan is to roll on the first coat, cast some non skid on it,let that cure then roll on the second coat. this product does not have rubber bits in it like herculiner, so the texture comes from a coarse foam roller.
royce

[Oyster]

back from her first field trip to dmv for inspection, hull id and registration. so i went to dmv's website last night, read everything they had, downloaded their forms, filled them out and thought i was ready. i went down there this morning and waited 2 hours to be told it needed to be inspected, but had to wait until 2 o'clock. of course i mentioned that the website did not say that. it was not well received and did nothing to help my cause. so, i went back at 2 o'clock to stand in line where i was told to, waited a 1/2 hour to be told that she could not help me and that i needed to wait for whats his nuts to do the inspection. i guess not all of them are navel architects, so i waited again and finally got my turn. now i am walking the expert out to the boat and she says so you need a seadoo inspected and i said no a canoe. she said but it is like a seadoo, right? i said no it is like a canoe. she is not happy at this point and says well it has a motor, right? she had me there didn't she? so we get to the boat and she says where is the hull id? i say the boat is homemade and it does not have hull id and that is why she is inspecting so they assign hull id. now she is sure enough irritated. so after another 6 pack of stupid statements and questions we go back inside to finish up, when she says what is it made of? i say wood and fiberglass. she says which one? i say both. she says it can't be both. i say ok. she says which one. i say you pick. she says it is not for her to pick. i say ok. she says which one? at this point i am not about to give in, and say fiberglass over wood. she said is there more fiberglass than wood? i say the whole boat is made of wood covered in fiberglass. she did her best perry mason imitation, but never could corner me up. on her own she decided that this vessel was a fiberglass seadoo and 24 dollars,8 hours and a boxcar load of nonsense later i got registered. wow
royce

[JayInOz]

Shoulda told her it's a toboggan Royce Isn't it comforting to know that the people who regulate our lives are up to the task? JayInOz

[johnno]

Reminds me of the policeman who, when renewing my driver's license and filling in the paperwork, looked me in the eye and said 'eye colour?', 'hair colour?'........
Showing real initiative, did fill in the 'male' off his own bat.

Well done, all set to paddle now!

[Tim Marchetti]

Thanks for the good chucle Royce. Maybe I should change the design name to the Seadoo20. I feel very lucky. I just bring a signed letter to my town office stating that I paid taxes for materials and fill out a simple form and I'm done.

[Oyster]

Shoulda told her it's a toboggan Royce Isn't it comforting to know that the people who regulate our lives are up to the task? JayInOz

jay,
i'm afraid i would still be standing there waiting for them to find their toboggan inspector
royce

[Oyster]

Reminds me of the policeman who, when renewing my driver's license and filling in the paperwork, looked me in the eye and said 'eye colour?', 'hair colour?'........
Showing real initiative, did fill in the 'male' off his own bat.

Well done, all set to paddle now!

thanks johno,
and that reminds me, i had built a cow catcher/brush guard on a shop truck i drove and was going thru inspection to get on our air base when the guard looked at it and asked where i got it. i said i made it and he said from scratch? i really wanted to say, no from a box.

[gstanfield]

Wow, I feel for some of you guys with what you have to deal with. I just call the local warden and he comes out to me house, stands around talking fishing, drinking my coffee and complimenting me on my build for a half hour then signs the bottom of the sheet and tell me to fill in the rest however I want. Then we go back to talking about the best fishing spots around for a while until he finishes his coffee and hits the road. There are some benefits to living in this worthless state I guess.

[Oyster]

Thanks for the good chucle Royce. Maybe I should change the design name to the Seadoo20. I feel very lucky. I just bring a signed letter to my town office stating that I paid taxes for materials and fill out a simple form and I'm done.

tim,
i think you should change the design name to saddle horse 20, because it would not need registered and they would not know the difference if it pooped on their foot.
royce

[Oyster]

Wow, I feel for some of you guys with what you have to deal with. I just call the local warden and he comes out to me house, stands around talking fishing, drinking my coffee and complimenting me on my build for a half hour then signs the bottom of the sheet and tell me to fill in the rest however I want. Then we go back to talking about the best fishing spots around for a while until he finishes his coffee and hits the road. There are some benefits to living in this worthless state I guess.

george,
i used to live in mayberry also, and sure miss it. i am here to say that the alaska i moved to 30 years ago has caught up to america in rules and regs. the good news is i got a magic seadoo to take me away from it all

[peter osberg]

Mine are registered as frighter canoes, and they were not interested in an actual look! I made a feeble effort to correct the name with an explanation, but decided it wasn't worth it

[Oyster]

Mine are registered as frighter canoes, and they were not interested in an actual look! I made a feeble effort to correct the name with an explanation, but decided it wasn't worth it

peter,
after the initial frustration, it sure has a way of making a man giggle at least on the inside.
royce

[Oyster]

i went to town today to pick up the boat numbers and thought why not grab the hdpe for the rub strips? so not having a trailer handy, i threw caution to the wind and loaded it on the truck. i can see at least 3 traffic tickets with this load and can't help thinking about my day at dmv yesterday. i had a feeling the state was going to have the last laugh and what was left in my wallet. so away i go with plastic dragging. i no sooner get on the main drag and a cop turns in behind me, follows me for a mile or so. i come to the main crossroads in town and are stopped at the light when the sirens and lights start blaring and blazing. me and the cop get out at the same time and i tell her i will pull over on the other side of the intersection. she says do you know your load is dragging, i said all my life, she laughed and said she was just making sure it was not coming off the truck. the light changed, i assured her the load was safe and asked are we good? she said yes, and with utter amazement i am on my way again. so i would like to again thank the patron saint of children, fools and drunks for riding shotgun with me this morning.
royce

[tigerregis]

No sh*t! While this little sojourn into bureaucratic malarkey is humourous, I have followed this build from the beginning. Very enlightening and instructive to watch a man achieve form and function. Hats off to you and many miles of pleasure.

[Oyster]

No sh*t! While this little sojourn into bureaucratic malarkey is humourous, I have followed this build from the beginning. Very enlightening and instructive to watch a man achieve form and function. Hats off to you and many miles of pleasure.

thank you tiger,
if a man can keep from taking himself or life too serious, it really is a jolly good time.
royce

[Oyster]

all legal, maybe it will keep the fish cops happy until they read the registration

[Tim Marchetti]

Nice job with the numbers! Very neatly done

[Oyster]

thanks tim,
the shop that cuts the numbers makes it hard to screw up by putting the numbers on a common front sheet that comes off after the numbers are on the hull

[Oyster]

after a few tries to stamp the hull id numbers in a straight line and having different sized number and letter stamps i gave up, then opted for this lazy s bend.

[Oyster]

well the hull id plate fell short of even my qc standards, so rather than put it on the transom in plain view, i think i'll put it down on the chair rail

[jsjpd1]

back from her first field trip to dmv for inspection, hull id and registration. so i went to dmv's website last night, read everything they had, downloaded their forms, filled them out and thought i was ready. i went down there this morning and waited 2 hours to be told it needed to be inspected, but had to wait until 2 o'clock. of course i mentioned that the website did not say that. it was not well received and did nothing to help my cause. so, i went back at 2 o'clock to stand in line where i was told to, waited a 1/2 hour to be told that she could not help me and that i needed to wait for whats his nuts to do the inspection. i guess not all of them are navel architects, so i waited again and finally got my turn. now i am walking the expert out to the boat and she says so you need a seadoo inspected and i said no a canoe. she said but it is like a seadoo, right? i said no it is like a canoe. she is not happy at this point and says well it has a motor, right? she had me there didn't she? so we get to the boat and she says where is the hull id? i say the boat is homemade and it does not have hull id and that is why she is inspecting so they assign hull id. now she is sure enough irritated. so after another 6 pack of stupid statements and questions we go back inside to finish up, when she says what is it made of? i say wood and fiberglass. she says which one? i say both. she says it can't be both. i say ok. she says which one. i say you pick. she says it is not for her to pick. i say ok. she says which one? at this point i am not about to give in, and say fiberglass over wood. she said is there more fiberglass than wood? i say the whole boat is made of wood covered in fiberglass. she did her best perry mason imitation, but never could corner me up. on her own she decided that this vessel was a fiberglass seadoo and 24 dollars,8 hours and a boxcar load of nonsense later i got registered. wow
royce

That's quite the ordeal just to register your boat. When I registered Sparrow, the Gal at the counter was real helpful. When I told her I didn't have a motor she said, 'you know you don't need to get registration right?' I spent the ten bucks (it's cheaper if it's not a motor boat) just to get the HIN. No inspection required.

The boat's looking pretty good, when are you putting it in?

Jim

[Oyster]

That's quite the ordeal just to register your boat. When I registered Sparrow, the Gal at the counter was real helpful. When I told her I didn't have a motor she said, 'you know you don't need to get registration right?' I spent the ten bucks (it's cheaper if it's not a motor boat) just to get the HIN. No inspection required.

The boat's looking pretty good, when are you putting it in?

Jim

hi jim,
still have some more chores to do yet before launching, bedliner on the floor, bolt stringers and oak rub strips on, rip hdpe strips and screw on, fit trailer bunks to hull shape and weld, carpet trailer bunks, hang engine and plumb and wire it. been a little too chilly to roll the bedliner on, maybe tomorrow. so to answer your question not soon enough. there is still a lot trash coming down river, so i don't feel so bad.

[Oyster]

first coat of bedliner, i hope it cures enough today to get a second coat on today.

[gstanfield]

I'm confused...the boat is registered, you have the engine, it's on a trailer and the water is melted....why are you not fishing?

[Tim Marchetti]

first coat of bedliner, i hope it cures enough today to get a second coat on today.

I'm eagerly waiting for a report on how this bedliner was to work with and how you like the results. I might use it on Baby Dot instead of Hurculiner.

[timo4352]

Coming along...

I'm surprised you have to stamp the HIN tag yourself?
I'm thinking they supply the thing here - maybe I'm wrong

[Vernon]

They do provide the HIN tag in OH, but it's a ugly aluminum stickon thing. The hand stamped one he put on is way more fitting for a canoe of this caliber.

[Oyster]

I'm confused...the boat is registered, you have the engine, it's on a trailer and the water is melted....why are you not fishing?

george,
the short answer to your question is there are still 104 holes in the hull. my motto is slow and rough, for fast and slick i think wizbang and babydot are the kings. hah!!!!

[gstanfield]

ahhhh.....I guess you're OK

[Oyster]

I'm eagerly waiting for a report on how this bedliner was to work with and how you like the results. I might use it on Baby Dot instead of Hurculiner.

tim,
having used herculiner on my jet boat aluminum floor boards i think i like this product better, but i think the true test is time. one thing i noticed is where i rolled it over heavy varnish over slop up in the bow the varnish wants to lift, i believe that is because the varnish is not 100% cured. i should have masked when i varnished, so there would not be bedliner over varnish.
royce

[Oyster]

Coming along...

I'm surprised you have to stamp the HIN tag yourself?
I'm thinking they supply the thing here - maybe I'm wrong

timo,
yes she's coming along, i think the end is in sight. all that the state supplies is the number, not the tag. i have contracted with local, state and federal government and there is nothing they could do to surprise me. if it makes sense and is cost effective they want no part of it

[Oyster]

They do provide the HIN tag in OH, but it's a ugly aluminum stickon thing. The hand stamped one he put on is way more fitting for a canoe of this caliber.

thanks vernon
royce

[Oyster]

bedliner complete,the photos don't show it but i think it is a spot on perfect color match with river silt.

[Oyster]

i thought the bedliner would help hide the not so fair inside of the hull , but it seems like it might make it stand out more. nothing i can't live with though.

[Tim Marchetti]

Holey canoe bottoms batman! She's looking good.

[Dan St Gean]

Are there any bow or stern buoyancy tanks?

Dan

[peter osberg]

[QUOTE=Dan St Gean;3404062]Are there any bow or stern buoyancy tanks?
I did flotation tests with my freighter canoe builds, adding a clamped on weight to the transom to simulate the motor weight. I ended up gluing some closed cell foam sheeting (the kind sold for swimming pool playing) to the inside of the transom, so it would have freeboard and float level when swamped. The practicing of swamping /rolling and self rescue, was fortuitous in my case. The north pacific is cold, and indifferent to your fate.

[Oyster]

Are there any bow or stern buoyancy tanks?

Dan

dan,
at this point, what i have are raft thwarts and a dry box.

[Oyster]

[QUOTE=peter osberg;3404145]

Are there any bow or stern buoyancy tanks?
I did flotation tests with my freighter canoe builds, adding a clamped on weight to the transom to simulate the motor weight. I ended up gluing some closed cell foam sheeting (the kind sold for swimming pool playing) to the inside of the transom, so it would have freeboard and float level when swamped. The practicing of swamping /rolling and self rescue, was fortuitous in my case. The north pacific is cold, and indifferent to your fate.

peter,
i have a few questions if you don,t mind. about how many cubic inches of foam did you use? is it enough to keep the engine out of the water when swamped? do you do any thing with your fuel vents to keep from floating the gas out when swamped? did you use any foam at the bow or just on the transom? i did similar tests on a 19' x 38" rowing wherry with float bags fore and aft. it was nearly impossible to self rescue with out a couple 6" x 36" inflatable sponsons attached below the outwales at midship. do you think with the amount of floatation you have you could get back in the boat and get it bailed in a heavy chop?
thank you
royce

[Oyster]

Holey canoe bottoms batman! She's looking good.

thanks tim,
i plan to use two temporary thwarts cam strapped to the chair rails for trials and maybe not do anything else permanently. do you see any structural problems with that?
royce

[Tim Marchetti]

thanks tim,
i plan to use two temporary thwarts cam strapped to the chair rails for trials and maybe not do anything else permanently. do you see any structural problems with that?
royce

Should be OK, but I'm not sure. I would try it, but take it easy at first to get a feel of how much the hull is flexing. You've beefed things up from the plans, but I don't know what she's going to be like with that much power and weight on the transom.

[peter osberg]

With my square stern canoe the hull which is all wood, floated the motor, but the engine housing was awash, with little freeboard. The 1 1/4 inch swim foam on the inside of the transom would be 49 inches X 26inches less the cut out for the motor well and the rounded chines. I also used the closed cell foam as cushioning for the seats. It meant when swamped; I had 6 inches of freeboard, motor housing above water, stable enough when righted (I could get in and start bailing in 4-6 ft swell). The water in the engine is/was more of a concern than what salt water may have got into the gas. In my involuntary swimming event, I used the gas that had the vents open, and the engine ran the same (!), whether it was from the tanks that had been closed off or the minimally contaminated ones, once I got it going. I think you have to do a swamping test of your hull to see if you need floatation, as well as where, you need it.

[gstanfield]

Looks very nice with the bedliner spray in it.

so...how's the fishing?

[Oyster]

Should be OK, but I'm not sure. I would try it, but take it easy at first to get a feel of how much the hull is flexing. You've beefed things up from the plans, but I don't know what she's going to be like with that much power and weight on the transom.

thank you kind sir
royce

[Oyster]

With my square stern canoe the hull which is all wood, floated the motor, but the engine housing was awash, with little freeboard. The 1 1/4 inch swim foam on the inside of the transom would be 49 inches X 26inches less the cut out for the motor well and the rounded chines. I also used the closed cell foam as cushioning for the seats. It meant when swamped; I had 6 inches of freeboard, motor housing above water, stable enough when righted (I could get in and start bailing in 4-6 ft swell). The water in the engine is/was more of a concern than what salt water may have got into the gas. In my involuntary swimming event, I used the gas that had the vents open, and the engine ran the same (!), whether it was from the tanks that had been closed off or the minimally contaminated ones, once I got it going. I think you have to do a swamping test of your hull to see if you need floatation, as well as where, you need it.

thanks peter,
yes i will swamp test it. i have two raft thwarts that i can use for testing and maybe permanent. one concern i have with the mud buddy engine is the high center of gravity. my fear is if the floatation is to low in the boat it will be prone to rolling and turning turtle when swamped.
royce

[Oyster]

Looks very nice with the bedliner spray in it.

so...how's the fishing?

thanks george,
i had sos for dinner
royce