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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I tried to get trained as an underwater cutter and welder around 1973, I couldn't organise it ..... fortunately.
    Yes, underwater commercial work is pretty tricky or deadly boring, I think. I knew a guy who worked on oil rigs. He told me that there's a limit to the total number of hours you're allowed to accumulate at those depths. They go down and stay in submarine housings for days, apparently, but once you've accumulated 1000 hours or whatever it is 5000? 20000? then that's it, you're never allowed to undertake that work again.

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    It was Weipa, muddy water and the possibility of crocs wasn't reassuring .
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    I've met some guys who do that sort of diving, up in Chiang Mai - the stay down for a month stuff. A lot of the guys doing that sort of thing, plus rov's, security on ships, etc... base out of there. One guy I rode with in Cambodia did a plane crash recovery off Taiwan IIRC.

    Re clear water to dive on... this one would be fabulous.... but you would need to get special permission. No swimming or fishing upstream of the bridge, which is on the right of this shot... and the water is amazingly clear... and a stunning colour. I seem to recall that it's over 60 metres deep.

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    I looked up the Adrenalin site and couldn't find any radiators. But I found these Thermo things that might be pretty good http://adrenalinwetsuits.com/2P-Ther...-products.html

    I trained in sinkhole and cavern diving too and did a couple of trips to the sinkholes around Mt Gambier. Picaninnie Ponds is very beautiful, the Shaft is amazing - lucky to do that one a couple of times, Kilsby's is also beautiful. We also did a dive in Hell's Hole. It's not much of a dive but you need to climb down about 30m to get to the water and then back up again, which makes it pretty exciting. I intended to go on and qualify for cave diving but Vietnam work came along and I couldn't complete the course. That was to do a Nullarbor trip. Now I think I'm pretty content to stick with open water diving as photography's my main interest and most of the stuff I photograph is in fairly shallow water. I certainly have no interest in mixing gases etc. and wrecks don't interest me much.

    Ewen Ponds gets pretty much ignored by serious divers but it's my favourite site around Gambier. It's shallow but really spectacular for photographs. I'd actually really like to find other fresh water spots with super clear water so if anyone knows of any? I think there's a stream somewhere in NZ that flows out of the ground - I reckon that would be great for photographs.

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    Waitomo Caves NZ might be the place you are referring to. From memory a large volume of the water that flows quickly.

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    I think Adrenaline and Radiator are two different brands. Both look good. Thanks.

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    A friend near Nelson had a sinkhole on his property, It was in a cave, just a slit in the floor wide enough to slide into but underneath a bell shaped chamber. But totally dark. Went in once with all the safety stuff and lights. At the time I was too busy being careful to be scared, but it gives me the shudders now. I don't think there were any enforced regulations or permit system then. He had a windmill pump on it and limitless water.
    Actually the scariest dive I ever did was my first 'night' dive. Done with a blackout mask in broad daylight in about 10ft of water with a flat sandy bottom. I had to navigate between a group of markers on the bottom. Didn't pass first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I looked up the Adrenalin site and couldn't find any radiators. But I found these Thermo things that might be pretty good http://adrenalinwetsuits.com/2P-Ther...-products.html

    I trained in sinkhole and cavern diving too and did a couple of trips to the sinkholes around Mt Gambier. Picaninnie Ponds is very beautiful, the Shaft is amazing - lucky to do that one a couple of times, Kilsby's is also beautiful. We also did a dive in Hell's Hole. It's not much of a dive but you need to climb down about 30m to get to the water and then back up again, which makes it pretty exciting. I intended to go on and qualify for cave diving but Vietnam work came along and I couldn't complete the course. That was to do a Nullarbor trip. Now I think I'm pretty content to stick with open water diving as photography's my main interest and most of the stuff I photograph is in fairly shallow water. I certainly have no interest in mixing gases etc. and wrecks don't interest me much.

    Ewen Ponds gets pretty much ignored by serious divers but it's my favourite site around Gambier. It's shallow but really spectacular for photographs. I'd actually really like to find other fresh water spots with super clear water so if anyone knows of any? I think there's a stream somewhere in NZ that flows out of the ground - I reckon that would be great for photographs.

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    Pupu Springs, about 1 1/2 hours from Nelson?
    http://www.newzealand.com/my/article...opupu-springs/
    Only catch is that swimming/diving is strictly verboten, to preserve the clarity of the water. It is a beautiful spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Yes, boats are warned to avoid them. One of the biggest risks at sea is breaking waves. Waves are potentially steeper around reefs and even quite deep seamounts, due to change in depth and current, so the likelihood of them breaking is higher. There's a well known one a hundred miles or so SW (I think) of Lord Howe and another that I know of off the East coast of Victoria, called the Star Bank, I think.

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    Rick there is a huge cave in PNG somewhere, maybe between Moresby and Lai, but I'm not at all sure. Watched a movie made in and about the cave once on a flight back to Aus. The diving looked spectacular. But cave diving and parachuting, those are two things not on any of my to do lists!

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    I could parachute or sky dive , but caves , especially caves full of water ..... no thank you .
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    Cave diving isn't dangerous as long as you're conscientious about the protocols. Like flying or rock climbing. In sailing, problems rarely occur so safety protocols are sort of optional. In cave diving, they're not.

    Where's that blue hole Ian?

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    Cave diving isn't dangerous as long as you're conscientious about the protocols. Like flying or rock climbing. In sailing, problems rarely occur so safety protocols are sort of optional. In cave diving, they're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Lets just say I know some of my shortcomings! I don't mind hoisting a spinnaker I've packed, but no way I'm going to jump out of an airplane with a parachute I've packed.
    I can understand people jumping out of aeroplanes that are going to crash. Otherwise, no.

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    I can understand people jumping out of aeroplanes that are going to crash. Otherwise, no.

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    Did it once, with a bunch of airforce mates. We sort of talked ourselves into giving it a go, over a few beers - very hard to back out of at the tender age of nineteen!
    Out of the five of us who actually jumped, only one went on to do any more. Actually, I found bungee jumping much harder to do - the ground is only 50m away, instead of 1000. Only ever done one of those, too.

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    The blue hole is Kuhn Kong Leng Lake (Blue Lagoon) in Khammouane Province, Laos. It is about 50 km from Thakhaek. The blue water continues downstream in the creek for some distance. The lagoon is where it emerges though. The surrounding area is quite interesting too. Best view of the lake is the last minute or so of this



    As for parachuting... I've only done it once. I jumped from 8,500' over, or more correctly, adjacent to Great Keppel Island.... ie from a lot higher than this photo was taken from.



    The island looked about the size of a small dinner plate from the up there. We landed on the beach near the airstrip.

    It's an amazing experience. I'd recommend it. Cost me about $360, 20 years ago... about double the cost of a mainland jump at the time. My weight, which is now somewhat more significant, was a problem at the time. The limit was 90kg for a tandem... and I was 105 kg. I believe we damaged the harness somewhat. My other half for the jump was somewhat ashen faced after the jump and wouldn't talk about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Lets just say I know some of my shortcomings! I don't mind hoisting a spinnaker I've packed, but no way I'm going to jump out of an airplane with a parachute I've packed.
    I used to fly gliders, a long time ago. We wore parachutes in races. Someone suggested we should go skydiving, just to practice, in case we ever needed to use a parachute in an emergency. The consesus was, why would anyone ever jump out of a perfectly good aeroplane? Anyway, next year a two glider collision happened. One landed a damaged glider ok. One pilot jumped out, and somehow, without having done skydiving practice, managed to get out and open the chute and survive. So no, we never did give it a go. Makes my toes curl up thinking about it.

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    The PNG cave diving movie I referred to above was Sanctum. Google tells me it was mostly filmed in studios on the Gold Coast, with some genuine footage from caves around Mt Gambier. In a sad case of life imitating art one of the stunt divers in the movie later died while cave diving, executing an almost exact repeat of the film scene where her character died.

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    I only know of one death in cave diving in a long time in Australia. It might have been the woman you mention. She was a highly regarded member of the CDA (Cave Diving Association). She died doing cave mapping, a long way in and alone. I'm not sure they ever worked out how it happened.

    There are plenty of horror stories from the days when anyone could just jump into a sinkhole or cave but it's highly regulated in Australia now.

    There's a very good book about an Australian who died doing body recovery at ridiculous depth in a sinkhole in South Africa - I have it somewhere but I don't recall the name.

    The closest call I've had diving was during a regular dive, at reasonable depth, open water, no danger except my slack attitude.

    The best thing about diving, for me, is that you can get right up close to wildlife. You just can't do that anywhere else except Antarctica, as far as I know. Deep caves don't interest me much as there's pretty much nothing living there.

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    I recall seeing a doco on cave diving, in Oz, that included the death of a diver and recovering the body. Nullabor, IIRC.

    As for jumping... it wasn't easy getting out of the plane with some little fella strapped to my back - we got stuck trying to get out the door - I recall having to grab my knee and reef my leg out... drawing blood in the process. The acceleration and noise are incredible btw and then BANG... and silence.... just drifting slowly down. We steered through one small cloud, then aimed for the beach. We could see rays and turtles in the water below us. Wonderful stuff.
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    Yes, that's her. I was at a dinner she attended once but I didn't meet her. She died in Tank Cave which is a massive network of flooded passages near Gambier. I've been in there but only a short way in. To explore Tank Cave you have to be Penetration Cave Dive qualified, which is the top level of CDA qualification. Apparently she got lost, which, to be honest, is pretty unforgiveable as she should have laid guidelines as she progressed. Probably the old story - when you do things too often, you get too familiar and a bit slack.

    I nearly always dive alone. Sounds dangerous but it isn't really. I wouldn't do it in a cave or a wreck, though. The reason I dive alone is that I only really dive to take photos and that usually involves planting myself somewhere and waiting for things to come along. Who'd want to accompany anyone doing that? I don't like diving with others as I feel rushed to move on and too many divers stuff up the visibility by flapping around.

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    A junk rig and pussycat story from kiwiland: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ectid=11671871

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Did it once, with a bunch of airforce mates. We sort of talked ourselves into giving it a go, over a few beers - very hard to back out of at the tender age of nineteen!
    Out of the five of us who actually jumped, only one went on to do any more. Actually, I found bungee jumping much harder to do - the ground is only 50m away, instead of 1000. Only ever done one of those, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    I recall seeing a doco on cave diving, in Oz, that included the death of a diver and recovering the body. Nullabor, IIRC.

    As for jumping... it wasn't easy getting out of the plane with some little fella strapped to my back - we got stuck trying to get out the door - I recall having to grab my knee and reef my leg out... drawing blood in the process. The acceleration and noise are incredible btw and then BANG... and silence.... just drifting slowly down. We steered through one small cloud, then aimed for the beach. We could see rays and turtles in the water below us. Wonderful stuff.
    Not the Nullarbor, I'd say. There are enormous passages there and some very challenging dive sites but I don't think there've been any cave diving deaths in Australia apart from The Shaft, Tank Cave, Death Cave, Picaninnie Ponds and Kilsby's. They're all near Mt Gambier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    The best thing about diving, for me, is that you can get right up close to wildlife. You just can't do that anywhere else except Antarctica, as far as I know. Deep caves don't interest me much as there's pretty much nothing living there.

    Rick
    Kangaroo Island. You can get right up close to a lot of the wildlife, especially snakes. Great big black venomous critters. And the possums. They'll come inside your holiday house and crap all over everything and try to mug you for food. Lots of other animals as well. We were staing inside a park once, and just after the park was closed and the rest of the tourists had left, a whole horde of creatures just stood upright where they were, basically everywhere, and nobody had been any the wiser that they had been there except us. Cheeky. Kangaroos, wallabies, sundry other hopping things, echidna - you name it, they were there, and we could get right up close.
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    This is not something you want to see when you step onboard.

    All fixed now though and they won't come undone again, unless I want them undone.
    Glorious little sail this morning. I sailed up river to Fingal and mucked about there for an hour or two, just putting her through all points of the wind. I do like my boat.
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    Not a bad breeze today there were a few good puffs in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    Kangaroo Island. You can get right up close to a lot of the wildlife, especially snakes. Great big black venomous critters. And the possums. They'll come inside your holiday house and crap all over everything and try to mug you for food. Lots of other animals as well. We were staing inside a park once, and just after the park was closed and the rest of the tourists had left, a whole horde of creatures just stood upright where they were, basically everywhere, and nobody had been any the wiser that they had been there except us. Cheeky. Kangaroos, wallabies, sundry other hopping things, echidna - you name it, they were there, and we could get right up close.
    Well, okay, we have possums in and around our house, snakes, frogs, echidnas, koalas in our yard but, generally speaking, there's a lot more underwater. ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Well, okay, we have possums in and around our house, snakes, frogs, echidnas, koalas in our yard but, generally speaking, there's a lot more underwater. ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Not a bad breeze today there were a few good puffs in it.
    Imagine how fast she'd go with the lazy jacks eased off a bit!
    Mind you, I never noticed any difference with the Pathfinder, with the sprit boom putting a dirty big crease across the main on one tack, but not the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    This is not something you want to see when you step onboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    This is not something you want to see when you step onboard.

    All fixed now though and they won't come undone again, unless I want them undone.
    Glorious little sail this morning. I sailed up river to Fingal and mucked about there for an hour or two, just putting her through all points of the wind. I do like my boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    An old racing trick, particularly if someone was just under you but you couldn't get past far enough to pinch their wind - flick a shackle pin or busted shackle up at the main to fall onto the deck or into the cockpit............
    Oh what a wicked idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Imagine how fast she'd go with the lazy jacks eased off a bit!
    Mind you, I never noticed any difference with the Pathfinder, with the sprit boom putting a dirty big crease across the main on one tack, but not the other.

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