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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Just let's know if you change your mind. Should be some spectacular waves at Lennox later this week. Lennox is very close Mumbliblumbibbli - you might be able to catch Duncan and the rest of the gang up there. Good cafés in Mubbliwimbubbli!

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    Hmmm, Mullumbimby I think. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    You guys are up around the Tweed or somewhere? A bit far I reckon. Another hour or so northwards?
    About 20 km from the Qld border, so yes, an hour or so .
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    Gary, Peter, Duncan, Tom, Simon - all within a stone's throw of Lennox. Half the place names in that area sound like a fart in the bath.

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    Murwillumbah. Let's say it together...

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    Let it role off the tongue. Fart in a bath! Bah humbug!

    Anyway, which days are you at Lennox Phil?
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    It's my birthday on Saturday and I suspect a clan gathering so I won't be going anywhere .....
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    I'm at the stage of having to put my money where my mouth is with the Scamp. It is a mighty little tub with lots of floatation, a huge sealed cockpit to catch bathtubs full of green water, and notionally a simple way to dispose of the water without sinking. The cockpit sole falls towards the transom and has two small sumps, one in each aft corner. The sumps are pretty much at the design load water line, so with the usual sea motion will be dipping and rising around that notional waterline.

    The original design idea was to build some sort of self bailers at those sumps.

    My thoughts are along the limes of a 75mm round transom scupper at about 50mm above the waterline, through the transom, one each side. That's for the big green water stuff. Then to handle the small scale stuff a small non-return scupper drain down through the sump/hull bottom, maybe encased in a clamshell fairing or similar. I thought of using Andersen venturi bailers but on reflection I want the thing to be self managing and permanently armed, so that if big water does get into the cockpit I can hang on for dear life while the cockpit drains itself without my manual intervention.

    Transom scupper





    For the through-hull sump drain I'm wondering if there is something like an inverted deck scupper with a non-return flap.
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    Why not just regular cockpit drains? Drains in the cockpit sole leading to ball valves on skin fittings well below the waterline. Most yachts have them.

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    There isn't such a place as 'well below the waterline' to take a line to. I'll look see if something like that could be mounted in one of the drain sumps though. Even a skin fitting with a flap valve straight out through the bottom of a sump would do it if there is such a thing in a very low profile, and it could be shrouded by a clam fairing if I was feeling fancy. I may just make something up.


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    I don't like the look of that transom scupper much, the flap will develop a permanent curl and it will leak. I seem to recall from my yoof that some racing dinghies had a smallish rectangular ply flap, maybe what 2x5 inches, hinged at the top with a bit of shock cord internally to hold them against the transom. I reckon something like that would be superior to shiny stuff from an on line chandler, and cost less than 2 coffees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    Murwillumbah. Let's say it together...

    Mur_ _will_ _um_ _bah

    Let it role off the tongue. Fart in a bath! Bah humbug!

    Anyway, which days are you at Lennox Phil?
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    Bruce, how about ditching the sumps and just running regular cockpit drains? I do hate the idea of always having water in the cockpit.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I don't like the look of that transom scupper much, the flap will develop a permanent curl and it will leak. I seem to recall from my yoof that some racing dinghies had a smallish rectangular ply flap, maybe what 2x5 inches, hinged at the top with a bit of shock cord internally to hold them against the transom. I reckon something like that would be superior to shiny stuff from an on line chandler, and cost less than 2 coffees.
    I like the sound of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Bruce, how about ditching the sumps and just running regular cockpit drains? I do hate the idea of always having water in the cockpit.

    Rick
    It's a bit late to do that. The sole falls to the transom, and the sole hull and transom come together at a point where the water would collect. The sumps aren't a bad idea, and besides I've already built 'em. Just need a way to let 'em drain. Many Scampers just have transom bungs which they pull out after sailing, and some have Andersen venturi bailers, but I'm not in love with either of those solutions. I'm probably going to make a prototype doover based on the upside down deck scupper shape with a clacker valve in the pipe.
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    Off to Casino today to drive a ute back for a friend. Looks like another wet day coming up.
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    BTW there's a real nasty ECL off Lennox. A GREAT Asian noodle place at Quirindi while Walcha is quite cosmopolitan (lots of public art about)
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    Pacific hwy, falling dusk, biggest rain event this century. Not. Much. Fun.

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    Take care Phil. and watch out for flooded dips in the road.

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    There are times to pull over for the evening Phil.

    Take it gently.
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    Got to Aunt Pats no worries, it just wansnt much fun. I did think about pulling over, but the forecast was for more of the same all night, and nowhere to stay that I could see. Traffic was good, travelling between 60 and 80 depending on the weight of the rain, plenty of space between vehicles. But still pretty white knuckled.

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    Not a good night for walking around outside, something chunky just fell down.
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    We're just outside that big blue patch on the radar Gary, there's hardly been a drop here.
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    Light to moderate rain and strong winds here. Most of it seems to be moving NW but just south of us.
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    I thought it was going to dump on us all day and cancelled a mowing job up a mountain thinking it was going to all yellow and red in a radar kind of way, but it's only just sprinkled here.

    Blah!
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    Most of it is skirting the southern edge of the caldera. The wind is picking up again at Tweed. SW so that will be keeping Redwing off the wharf.:-)
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Got to Aunt Pats no worries, it just wansnt much fun. I did think about pulling over, but the forecast was for more of the same all night, and nowhere to stay that I could see. Traffic was good, travelling between 60 and 80 depending on the weight of the rain, plenty of space between vehicles. But still pretty white knuckled.
    Glad you're there without incident Phil. Have you picked up the stove yet or is that on the way back?
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    Now we're getting what Phil was driving through! Don't know how long this'll last but with the amount coming down at the moment I definitely won't be trundling about steep, wet hillsides in the morrow.

    There's a few nice cafes in Lennox too Phil.

    Listed the plastic 'yak on Fleebay. I think I'll start preparing any listings after lunch next time, as trying to get through all the steps and turn out a good listing is quite a bit of time and effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Glad you're there without incident Phil. Have you picked up the stove yet or is that on the way back?
    Yep,stove is on. I hired a little baby hand forklift thinghy. Best $37.00 I ever spent! I think it's lifting capacity is about 100kg, but I figured there'd be a significant safety factor. The stove must be at least twice that, Probly more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    Now we're getting what Phil was driving through! Don't know how long this'll last but with the amount coming down at the moment I definitely won't be trundling about steep, wet hillsides in the morrow.

    There's a few nice cafes in Lennox too Phil.

    Listed the plastic 'yak on Fleebay. I think I'll start preparing any listings after lunch next time, as trying to get through all the steps and turn out a good listing is quite a bit of time and effort.
    I think some parts I drove through had near enough 200mm in 24 hours. Quite wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I think some parts I drove through had near enough 200mm in 24 hours. Quite wet.

    Looks like it's moving offshore now. 46mm last night.
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    About the same here... it was missing us up to 11 pm and going NW last night so perhaps a different lot?
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    It's sunny, still and warm as toast here in Adelaide, and after the first morning of a 4 day weekend I'm covered from something beginning with A to breakfast time in Scamp glue. I've got doublers glued under the round hatch holes in the sole, glue plugs over the screws in the transom, glue and screws holding transom cleats to other bits, glue and weights on a little infill piece on the hull bottom (I might start calling it a keelson just to confuse myself) between the drain sumps, glue on two little packer pieces on the inside top of the prow where the main deck beams land, glue all over, under and around the mast step, and glue fillets round the mast trunk structure. Then I ran out of glue and cleaned up and came in for a sandwich.

    With a bit of luck there might be a vid later on if UToob behaves itself.
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    An Utoob would be good , the Scamp is like a jigsaw puzzle !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    An Utoob would be good , the Scamp is like a jigsaw puzzle !
    OK

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    Thanks Bruce, that helped a lot. The construction is very much from the inside out while my JIM is outside skin first then frames and bulkheads. I'm assuming all those below deck spaces are buoyancy compartments ? Will they need sealing before the skins go on ?

    The vid is a great idea, regular updates will be welcome.

    I might even consider vid on my JIM thread if I ever get back to it . I just have to work out how to post it on Youtube .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Thanks Bruce, that helped a lot. The construction is very much from the inside out while my JIM is outside skin first then frames and bulkheads. I'm assuming all those below deck spaces are buoyancy compartments ? Will they need sealing before the skins go on ?

    The vid is a great idea, regular updates will be welcome.

    I might even consider vid on my JIM thread if I ever get back to it . I just have to work out how to post it on Youtube .
    All the below sole, below seat top and fwd of BH3 spaces are accessible stowage/buoyancy, apart from minor spaces that are sealed flotation areas. That's one of the reasons I've been worrying the hatches question to bits for 15 months. The three major areas are not interconnected, and there has been at least one (inadvertent) test of flooding a compartment. I think someone forgot the seat hatch when they did a capsize test or something similar. There was so much other buoyancy that the boat was righted and it sailed off easily with a fair bit of water in.

    I bought a nose ring and a sump plug for the water ballast tank today. Fitting the nose ring is a little bit harder than I expected but it's nearly there. I'm hoping to get the sump plug in tonight or tomorrow. I'm still working on the drain sump things, and may have a bit of an idea to share in a few days, for a sanity check. A skin fitting with a very low profile clacker valve would be just the shot just about now.
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