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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    No bloody way - what?

    I don't believe Felicity says `bloody'.

    Rick
    She doesn't think a potato gun would be a good way to apply ummm, gel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    She doesn't think a potato gun would be a good way to apply ummm, gel.

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    She doesn't think it would be more fun?

    A bit dodgy, I guess .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    A little bit of bliss.
    I was told today about a similar thing where musicians are cooperating to put stuff online like this, and Yoyo Ma is involved. I might see if we can find it .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    She doesn't think it would be more fun?

    A bit dodgy, I guess .....

    Rick
    Or you could provide a choice - it's the potato gun or the gel blaster, baby! Not that I would advocate that sort of thing ....

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    Here we go:

    https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/coro...uarantine.html

    It's good. Enjoy the Neil Diamond hand washing song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Here we go:

    https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/coro...uarantine.html

    It's good. Enjoy the Neil Diamond hand washing song.

    Rick
    I've shared that one.
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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    Gotta be a great time to be trying to sell a boat!

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    Ahh bugger. I've come down to the boat with a plan to fix my topside seams. Doing their usual summer thing where a few of them open up. I'm kind of hoping this will be the last time (I know it won't be) My theory is that now the deck is fixed the hull has dried out, planks shrunk. So the plan was to ream out the cracks by running a circular saw along them, push in some epoxy, sand back, fibreglass, fill, paint. Bloody saw isn't on the boat is it??!!! I was sure it was here. I was wrong. Hate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Lots of under cover accomodation, a cruising boat, or maybe one to be quarantined on?

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    But it can be worse. Working on two houses and the boat, a few times, I've gone to one, seen that the tool I need isn't there, so I go to the other place to get it. Then I find out it actually is at the other place but I didn't see it or it's in the car .... Sometimes I worry that I'm developing a creeping dementia but then I remember that I've always had it, so that's a relief. Of sorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Lots of under cover accomodation, a cruising boat, or maybe one to be quarantined on?
    It's nice inside.

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    Fortunately Felicity was getting sick of splitting firewood, so when I told her of my mistake she found the saw and brought it down to me. Just a 2 hour round trip. So I've reamed out the cracks and filled them with epoxy. I'm really in 2 minds about glassing over. The glass is clearly not strong enough to resist movement of the wood. So I'm not sure I see any advantage for quite a bit of extra work. Thoughts?

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    I think sheathing a hull that has old caulking, suspect fastenings etc., makes a lot of sense, as long as fastenings are replaced enough to render the hull sound, etc. It protects the hull from leakage, AF lasts longer, and some sheathing adds strength. But sheathing topsides is really more a cosmetic consideration. Paint lasts longer - that's about the only advantage. Essential for a deck but not for topsides.

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    When I sheathe the Folkboat, I won't sheathe the topsides.

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    I heard on the news just now there is a world wide shortage of sheathes.

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    My topsides are sheathed, from new. Previous times when Ive repaired cracks Ive gouged a bit out with the angle grinder and some 16 grit, and then glassed before painting. Just to reinstate the glass sheathing. This time, not sure.

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    I'd definitely repair it. Over time, moisture can wick under the edge of the old sheathing and then be trapped there. This can rot the planking.

    Masina's whole hull is sheathed. Over the years, someone's sanded through the sheathing along the edge of the cove stripe, which was an indent about 12mm wide and 5 mm deep. The damaged edge captured water and I found rot in a plank there. I've since put timber and glass rubbing strips over the cove stripes so it can't happen again but I do make sure I don't have any glass edges where rainwater can collect.

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    Yes that's a thought. But on the other hand if it's stopped moving I'm going to have a flush invisible repair, painted. Nowhere for moisture to get in. Glass or no glass if it moves it cracks and there's the risk of water getting in. Maybe there is some additional strength if I glass it. Maybe I'll fix future cracks quicker if I don't glass. The current ones have been there 3 months or so. Because its A Big Job.

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    The problem is that glass edges can lift a bit on timber over time and then the glass traps the water. An ordinary crack or seam in topsides without glass doesn't really trap water, as it dries out.

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    Yes indeed.

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    It does seem to be a bit of a dilemma. Have any of your glassed repairs split again? If not, it would seem that the procedure using glass works.
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    Yes they have

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    You just need to look at each spot and decide whether the remaining glass can possibly let water in or not, and, I guess, make a case-by-case decision, and then monitor whatever you do. But why are the seams opening up? Is it just the extremes of humidity and dry that you get there?

    I know nothing about this but it might be worth checking out G-flex which, I think, is a West product that's supposed to be more flexible than regular resin.

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    I think there are 2 causes of the cracking. Well 3. One. It's wood. 2 we do have extremely hot dry summers. Like nothing you east coasters can imagine. Bigly dry. And hot. Unbelievably hot and dry. But I think also it's the formerly leaky deck. The boat always had moisture in it. Particularly in winter but it seemed to hang around forever. The timber is now drying out a lot everywhere. Paint over joints that have been tight for 45 years is cracking at the join. Where deck beams fit beam shelves, that sort of thing. The waterline has gone down 2-3 inches. The boat is losing a lot of weight. I think the deck has been bad for 10-15 years. So there's been an annual cycle of wet and dry going on, and now a big drying out. Like happens to Carvel boats when they are taken out of the water and put on the hard for months or years. So I'm hoping, fingers crossed, that things are stabilising. We will see.

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    Hi Phil,
    We are very fortunate with Tui of Opua that we have never had cracking on the topsides, I think that the honduras mahogany was good quality and John Griffens advice on how I should spline the topsides was also very good. I should add that I am not a shipwrights boot lace so I didn't start with any preconceptions about the best way to build a yacht. My lifelong work was in radio communication with a short period in renal dialysis machines. Even when I looked after a boatbuilding yard in Toronto and had Tui out of the water for nealy 2 years we had no topside cracks.

    I hope you can sort out the problems and fix them but she is still a timber yacht and as she grows older just like us she does not need to have a perfect body to be admired. I'm sure we admired her moored in the Huon river just before Franklin on the road from Port Huon. We were house sitting 2km upstream from Port Huon for 2 years 2015 and 2016.

    Bruce

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    If I were you, I'd probably just paint over any unsightly bits for now, see how she goes over the winter and next summer, and then repair the sheathing if she really has stabilised.

    Rick

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    I think so. Bruce yes that was her. Gardeners bay.

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    Anyone else finding almost impossible to post photos?
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    20200329_145445.jpg
    I've done about as much as I can in the garden so I'm going to try my hand at a cardboard model. I a dinghy plan I downloaded off the net and some leftover stiff card from when I printed my own business cards.
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    I use Tapatalk on my phone. Lately about half the time it fails to upload. I try again all good.

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    Time to build a woodshed.

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    A bit of landscaping.

    stonework.jpg

    And my rock mine, the old fireplace and loungeroom.
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    There are times when I am very glad people are so unobservant. Did an hours mowing for a nieghbour this morning and walking back up my driveway the money fell out of my pocket. It was still there when I retraced my steps.
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    And a bit of good news. I found a folder of high res photos of the mast build so I can resubmit the article to Cruising Helmsman.
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