Antipodean Boats Connection

[Phil Y]

Thanks Rick. Is that just because its set in a hot desert? Make me feel better. Any other suggestions?

[RFNK]

Watch Dr Zhivago. Probably in that order.

Rick

[skuthorp]

I'm thinking I might binge on Netflix for the rest of the week. 40C plus every day, even in the hills, and only down to mid 20s at night. Too hot to work outside.

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Here 20 today, 30 tomorrow, 39 Wednesday, 23 Thursday, 41 Friday……… YoYo weather

[WX]

A little mishap on the river Sunday.
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Bunch of young blokes hired a houseboat, drank a bit too much and possibly hit something they should not have. I was on my way home so missed out on the callout. Marine Rescue was tasked to assist but there was little they could do other than slingshot it onto the beach.

[RFNK]

What a hideous thing it is, or hopefully, was, anyway.

Rick

[Thad]

Got the anchor down.

[WX]

What a hideous thing it is, or hopefully, was, anyway.

Rick

There are a few of them. I can get interesting meeting one in the channel, they don't always know the Col Regs.

[RFNK]

They're in plague proportions around here, sadly. And I don't mean houseboats. There are some really nice, practical and modest houseboats. I mean these huge, horrible things ....

Rick

[skuthorp]

"Bunch of young blokes hired a houseboat…..."
What could go wrong? …………….

[RFNK]

Sitting in a cafe at Lemon Tree and just noticed a bunch of kayakers paddling out to the north. They always look so chaotic in a group. I think one kayaker should be assigned to bring a ghetto blaster along so they can all paddle in time to marching music or Wagner or the 1812 Overture, or something.

Oh, they must have realised that we have a building NE as they're turning back now. So disorderly and lazy. They'll probably come in for coffee now .... like me!

Rick

[Phil Y]

It's so hot I was moved to recommision my spa, which has been out of action for a while. Cool water. Cold beer. Very, very nice.

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[brucemoffatt]

A propos of nothing, what is anyone's immediate reaction to someone buying a 40ish year old 40ish foot wooden sailing yacht of cove and bead strip plank on wooden frames, resorcinol glued (possibly mahogany) plank joints, galv plank fastenings between planks. Well maintained by one owner from new. A small amount of hull damage was done several years ago in a run-aground, and well repaired. Advice from 'others' is that the hull must be sheathed externally to avoid certain planking failure due to the galv fastenings coming to their effective end of life in the foreseeable future.

Actually asking for a friend. For what it's worth (SFA) my opinion is that sheathing an existing timber hull externally only would risk creating more issues that it would possibly solve. Sheathing internally is not possible without a virtual rebuild.

[skuthorp]

Depends if friend has money to throw about, and if he does maybe there's a better craft out there. A viable hull is oneof the more important bits of a boat. I once looked at an extended Seabird, 11ft aft witha narrow spoon stern.
Everthing there, engine, spars, sails, dinghy, radios, water and fuel tanks etc etc ….but the hull was little more than firewood.

G'day Bruce, call by more often. And merry Cristmas to you both, and that beautiful dog.

[RFNK]

As long as the hull is still tight, is dried right out and there is no rot then sheathing is the best way to preserve the hull and it's what I would do. I would also sheathe the bilges internally.

Rick

[WX]

I was offered a derigged RL28 for nothing recently. Cast iron keel needs replacing...I said no.
It came up in a conversation when I said that if I was to get another yacht I'd look for a derigged 28-30 footer.

[gypsie]

Might be able to sheath outside and just slather inside in CPES and then epoxy. I've repaired delaminated parts where one side of the wood was sheathed and the other not. The wood just works the glass away as it swells and contracts.

Will have to rip out all the furniture to get into every crevice.

It'll be a good bit of work for a while on the hard, no matter which way.


Films, I saw the three Godfather movies are on SBS online!!

Happy Christmas everyone! Here's for some rain.




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[brucemoffatt]

Thanks for the quick replies all. I'll pass them on. As much as the prospective purchaser is meticulous and hard working I'm going to try to advise them to keep looking for a boat that can be enjoyed now and for a good while without taking on a big project from the get-go.

[RFNK]

Sheathing a hull isn't really such a huge job as long as the hull is sound and dry. As far as sheathing the inside goes, it's not really necessary - just helps to keep the bilges clean. Masina is strip planked, edge-nailed, sheathed externally only. 45 years old, no delamination anywhere, no rot etc. Pretty much all strip-planked and cold-moulded boats are sheathed externally. The sheathing myths come from people sheathing worn out carvel hulls or sheathing over wet or rotten wood.

Rick

[Phil Y]

My boat is sheathed externally only, from new. I'm not actually sure that sheathing later is any different. I've had some topside seams move and crack the sheathing. Be interesting to see if that changes now she has a dry deck. She's dried out a lot internally since I did the deck. I haven't yet been down to see how she's fared in this hot spell.

I wouldn't buy a galv fastened boat.

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[RFNK]

Gal nails were pretty standard for edge-nailed strip planked boats. Masina is edge-nailed with gal nails. That's how the planks were aligned so it's not strictly fastening. Masina's fastening is monel screws from inside the planks, to the frames. I wouldn't want gal fastening as such.

Rick

[gypsie]

Sheathing a hull isn't really such a huge job as long as the hull is sound and dry. As far as sheathing the inside goes, it's not really necessary - just helps to keep the bilges clean. Masina is strip planked, edge-nailed, sheathed externally only. 45 years old, no delamination anywhere, no rot etc. Pretty much all strip-planked and cold-moulded boats are sheathed externally. The sheathing myths come from people sheathing worn out carvel hulls or sheathing over wet or rotten wood.

Rick

Can't get better than that observation.
Here's a rudder i repaired for a family member just recently.
The glass had come away because of water ingress in the bottom edge where wear had brought it back to wood.

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It felt clear to me that the glass had shaken itself off.
A lot of it was fixed on tight.

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I suppose the key difference is the rudder was constantly exposed to wet/dry cycling. As in; stored in garage for weeks and then submerged for hours in water and back again - for years.
I imagine that would be a significant difference to a boat which may more or less maintain the same moisture content - even if its not 'wet' in the bilges.

[RFNK]

Yes. Also, a lot of wooden dinghies with glass reinforcement, particularly on rudders and boards, was applied with polyester resin, which didn't adhere as well as epoxy. Modern polyesters are better, I'm told but I'd rather trust epoxy.

Rick

[gypsie]

Bloody hot here in Sydney now.
Throat sore and eye's stinging.

It's like some kind of dystopian world.

[brucemoffatt]

Gal nails were pretty standard for edge-nailed strip planked boats. Masina is edge-nailed with gal nails. That's how the planks were aligned so it's not strictly fastening. Masina's fastening is monel screws from inside the planks, to the frames. I wouldn't want gal fastening as such.

Rick

That sounds like Masina's is the same construction type as the boat in question, apart from the species of the timbers,

[RFNK]

Except that Masina was sheathed from `birth'. What species is the planking on this boat?

Rick

[skuthorp]

Bloody hot here in Sydney now.
Throat sore and eye's stinging.

It's like some kind of dystopian world.

21c here with a SW breeze at 5.15pm. I was in Melbourne today, about 25C.

44c for Melbourne tomorrow. It'll be about 3-4 deg. cooler here.

[RFNK]

Still about 39 here but there's a S on the way.

Rick

[Phil Y]

Bloody hot here. Catastrophic day tomorrow. Balia is copper edge nailed and copper riveted.

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[RFNK]

Temperature dropped from 40 to 26 here in half an hour when the southerly came through. Yep, SA looking really bad at present! We were travelling in 50 degree conditions across SA in early 1983 but that was out on the Nullarbor and through Snowtown etc. We thought at the time that it was a funny name, Snowtown. Stay cool over there!!

Rick

[Phil Y]

Bloody eastern states people. Just won't let that bodies in the barrels thing go. It's not like it happens here every day.

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[RFNK]

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I just think it's a funny name for such a hot place.

Rick

[brucemoffatt]

Except that Masina was sheathed from `birth'. What species is the planking on this boat?

Rick

Not 100% sure but Mahogany has been suggested. Don't know which of the Mahogany choices it is either, if it in fact is Mahogany.

[brucemoffatt]

One of my beehives melted down in the heat today. Internal temp must have been 62 or above for that to happen. A very productive hive with a very good genetic strain and a marvelous queen. It's likely the brood has been destroyed by the flood of honey over everything. Probably 12 kg of hot honey, not the sort of thing a colony can survive. I'm a bit devo about that. You become attached to a hive. Tomorrow is going to be hotter. I stand to lose two or three more hives if it goes as hot as predicted.

[WX]

One of my beehives melted down in the heat today. Internal temp must have been 62 or above for that to happen. A very productive hive with a very good genetic strain and a marvelous queen. It's likely the brood has been destroyed by the flood of honey over everything. Probably 12 kg of hot honey, not the sort of thing a colony can survive. I'm a bit devo about that. You become attached to a hive. Tomorrow is going to be hotter. I stand to lose two or three more hives if it goes as hot as predicted.

Sorry to hear that Bruce. Would shade cloth help at all?

[Phil Y]

Sorry Bruce. Yes it's a bit hot.

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