Page 1285 of 1287 FirstFirst ... 285785118512351275128412851286 ... LastLast
Results 44,941 to 44,975 of 45034

Thread: Antipodean Boats Connection

  1. #44941
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Melb, Vic, Aus
    Posts
    306

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Big job. Good luck Phil!

  2. #44942
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Gold Coast Australia
    Posts
    2,541

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Had a review of the deck repairs with Felicity yesterday evening. Decision made to replace the whole deck rather than fiddle about with repairs. Once the teak was off the starboard side it was pretty clear she'd need more than just a few Dutchmen here and there. Or even a Dutch army. I actually knew that, but was hoping to be able to get away with a bit of cut and paste, maybe half a dozen patches a foot or so square. But the reality is that more than half is bad, which really means it's going to be both easier and better to do the whole thing. I probably knew that all along, but sometimes need a bit of help with accepting reality. The reality I do accept is that my joinery is more like almost-joinery, so it's a bit of a challenge. Because of time and money constraints she will be staying in the water, and I will be proceeding a little at a time. Things that worry me for the moment are getting the outer edge of the deck off, without wrecking the top of the sheer plank. That edge is glassed over, and is largely sound, with both layers of ply epoxied together, and the teak epoxied on top. I haven't yet removed the teak from the outer edge. Is that called the covering board? It's still covering. And the places where the deck meets vertical structures. Cabins, cockpit sides, and hatches. They built the deck first, and everything else sits on top of the deck. I don't want to remove all that. So the plan is to cut the deck slightly outside of those structures, and but the new deck up to the old. Where the old is buggered, I'll have to tear out the old stuff and wiggle new in, between the deck beams and super structure. Messy.

    To replace the entire deck sounds like the right decision .
    However I am not so sure about doing it a little at a time, that is one huge job due to her size.

    If I was iin your position I would consider finding someone suitable picking your weather and setting a couple of weeks aside while attempting to knock the job over in one go.

  3. #44943
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Sunshine Coast, QLD
    Posts
    1,349

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Cruising Helmsman just payed me and a bit more than I had hoped as well...very pleased.
    Eeeexcellent!

  4. #44944
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Northern NSW Australia
    Posts
    73,431

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Could you jack the cabin structure up and support it from the inside on posts while the new deck is laid beneneath it , then drop it down?
    '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
    Grateful Dead

  5. #44945
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    No


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  6. #44946
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    It gets much more complicated at the back of the main cabin and connection to the cockpit sides and from there to the aft cabin which is built the other way. The fore and aft hatches and skylight I can remove if I need to.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  7. #44947
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Run a trimmer set to a little less than half the plywood thickness right around the cabin, hatches etc. Then do it again with the full half thickness depth. Then set up battens to guide the trimmer so that you can extend this rebate out to about 50mm (minimum). Cut all the ply away outside the rebate. Now you have a something to scarf all the new ply to.

    Use a multitool with good blades to cut the covering board off and to separate the deck from the sheer plank.

    Good decision to replace the whole deck. There's nothing wrong with your joinery skills.

    Rick

  8. #44948
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Thanks Rick. I think my concern with the hull deck join is that I can't really see it. It's slightly rounded and glassed over. Very nicely done. But maybe a trimmer (Are you listening Father Christmas?) set to the thickness of the deck, run around the outside to nearly expose the top of the sheer plank.

  9. #44949
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Auckland ,N.Z.
    Posts
    24,975

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    If you're going to buy one Phil , and trimmer in AU means laminate trimmer or 1/4 in collett router, have a look at the makita 18V cordless. I just want one myself.

  10. #44950
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    Thanks JB. Yes that's what I thought. Needs a slim body to get close to the cabin sides I guess. And several spare bits I imagine. For when it hits fasteners at a million RPM.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  11. #44951
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Between Bourgeoisie and Proletariat - Australia
    Posts
    2,712

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Things that worry me for the moment are getting the outer edge of the deck off, without wrecking the top of the sheer plank.
    Good onya Phil, The hardest part is starting it.

    For my edges, at the bow i simply pulled off the deck, but it tore out some of the sheer and was annoying to have to repair.
    After that i set the depth of the circular saw to about 17mm for the 18mm ply and ran a kerf about 3cm in from the edge the full length of the work zone - sheer planks being about 2.5mm thick.
    Then i reefed up the ply with wrecking bars. Then took the deck pieces, over the sheer, down to close with an electric plane, and belt sander to finish. But i was absolutely sure i had all the fastenings out before i committed my planer to it.

    It was as quick to do as to explain.

    As for joinery skills - the epoxy will fill the gaps, the glass will cover it all over, and the paint will hide it. I don't mean to be flippant, but it doesn't have to be furniture grade joinery to be solid.
    Philip K. Dick ó 'Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away'.

  12. #44952
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    That sounds like a good approach. Worried about all the crap that's going to get into the bilge. I don't see any real way to block between the planking and the ceiling. And I've stuff gets down into some areas there really is no way to get it out. I agree about the quality required. Although it needs to look OK from inside. Unless I put some insulation and some panelling under the deck, which is possible.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  13. #44953
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Thanks Rick. I think my concern with the hull deck join is that I can't really see it. It's slightly rounded and glassed over. Very nicely done. But maybe a trimmer (Are you listening Father Christmas?) set to the thickness of the deck, run around the outside to nearly expose the top of the sheer plank.
    Isn't the covering board in the way? To quote someone we know, 'some photos would be good .....'

    Yep, buy your trimmer bits in bulk. I love my Makita trimmer. I don't really want a cordless one though.

    Rick

  14. #44954
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Can you run a groundsheet under your ceiling? Clamp it with spring clamps to the beams. Some crud will still get through but it keeps it manageable.

    Rick

  15. #44955
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    To replace the entire deck sounds like the right decision .
    However I am not so sure about doing it a little at a time, that is one huge job due to her size.

    If I was iin your position I would consider finding someone suitable picking your weather and setting a couple of weeks aside while attempting to knock the job over in one go.
    I have more time than money-2 weeks at sensible rates would add up pretty quick I think.

  16. #44956
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Itís an awful job Phil but it will look better from the inside if you do the lot in one go. The inside of Redwing is very patchy in places. I did a slightly neater job this time because I was ready for it and had allowed the time for it. Hereís hoping the beamshelf is sound.
    I dont think it will make a difference to the end result whether i do it in small bits or all at once. Small being a full sheet of ply.

  17. #44957
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Can you run a groundsheet under your ceiling? Clamp it with spring clamps to the beams. Some crud will still get through but it keeps it manageable.

    Rick
    Ceiling being the internal hull lining-no. The only thing would maybe be to stuff rags at the top of the topsides, between each rib. Probably worth doing, and might stop 80% of the stuff getting into the bilges. The larger internal areas I can cover with various drop sheets and things to catch stuff, but thats less important. Stuff that falls on benches and seats and berths can be cleaned up. Its just the stuff that gets in between the ceiling and the planks, and trickles down to the bilge, under the shower, the water tanks, the engine etc, which will stay there until we are pumping a volume of water in a gale somewhere in the Antarctic that bothers me. It will undoubtedly block the bilge pump.

  18. #44958
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Isn't the covering board in the way? To quote someone we know, 'some photos would be good .....'

    Yep, buy your trimmer bits in bulk. I love my Makita trimmer. I don't really want a cordless one though.

    Rick
    Ill do some photos, some of the details are hard to photograph effectively. Is the covering board the outermost deck plank? Its in the way until I start cutting it. Not that theres actually a plank anyway, except for the teak overlay. I think the deck ply just meets the sheer plank. Once I start cutting, stuff goes where gravity takes it. I dont go so much for cordless either. Bloody batteries just go flat. we are on a berth so have plenty of 240 volts.

  19. #44959
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Oh and by the way, I really appreciate the advice, keep it coming. Ive never replaced a deck before, and Im sure there are lots of ways to skin the cat. The more I can base decisions on experience the better.

  20. #44960
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    If there's no real covering board that you want to preserve then, great! Just go with the trimmer/router set to thickness depth - but do it in several runs, going deeper each time. otherwise, it trips up and eats into the sheer etc. .

    I've never replaced a whole deck either! But having replaced bits of deck, I know what I'd do next time!!

    Rick

  21. #44961
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Uki, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    26,800

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    I sanded back till I found solid ply, marked a line and then set my power saw to a depth of 10mm and went for it.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

  22. #44962
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Sunshine Coast, QLD
    Posts
    1,349

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    ...the stuff that gets in between the ceiling and the planks, and trickles down to the bilge, under the shower, the water tanks, the engine etc, which will stay there until we are pumping a volume of water in a gale somewhere in the Antarctic that bothers me. It will undoubtedly block the bilge pump.
    Could you, after the deck removing is done but before the new one goes on, flush all that through into the bilge deliberately with a good volume of water? That way you're pumping a volume of water when you choose, and are not in a gale or the Antarctic. If you have room in the bilge you could pick it up with a more robust dirty water pump.

  23. #44963
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Northern NSW Australia
    Posts
    73,431

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    I muscled JIM onto the trailer today, not sitting evenly yet and some bilge supports are needed but that's a good step in the right dirrection.
    '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
    Grateful Dead

  24. #44964
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Sounds like progress!

    Rick

  25. #44965
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by MattSplatt View Post
    Could you, after the deck removing is done but before the new one goes on, flush all that through into the bilge deliberately with a good volume of water? That way you're pumping a volume of water when you choose, and are not in a gale or the Antarctic. If you have room in the bilge you could pick it up with a more robust dirty water pump.
    Yes, good idea and I wil do that. Have done it before, particularly when a rat got aboard once while we were on the slip, and chewed all sorts of things into tiny scraps. But you know what the bilges are like, floors, limber holes. I've actually wondered about flooding the bilge so that most of the stuff floats up, but the water tanks are directly under the cabin sole,,and I don't want to be flooding that high. There's really no way to get crud out. That nut I dropped the other day when Bruce was helping me remove the stanchions? Gone forever.
    Last edited by Phil Y; 12-06-2018 at 03:12 PM.

  26. #44966
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    I was thinking too, last night, about the trimmer around the cabin edge. Sounds good, but. It will mostly work fine, but, mostly around those edges the teak is still well adhered to the ply, and it's thickness varies quite a bit. So getting to a flat midpoint within the ply will be less than straightforward. But I think it's a case of worrying about the thing being much harder than just doing it. It will work out, the two layers of ply might even separate along the glued join.could even be possible to cut down to the join with a circular saw, then move out a coup,e of inches and cut down to the deck beams, and then pry up the top layer with my trusty chisel, leaving a nice lap joint ready to go. And with the outer edges, which are a uniform thickness, because glass comes up the topsides and about 2 1/2 inches inboard, I might do as Gypise says, cut a kerf inboard of the planking, remove the deck inboard of that, and then maybe make some cuts the thickness of the deck, athwartships, leaving nice small bits to chisel off the sheer. It'll be fine, pass my beer.

  27. #44967
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Congratulations Peter, must have been quite an effort to get her up there. Sounds like a launching is not far off? Combined with the EBS perchance?

  28. #44968
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    The trimmer's not going to give you a flat rebate if the surface isn't flat but that doesn't matter. Just don't go too deep! Once you've removed the remaining ply and you're left with a rebated skirt all around the cabin, then even out the rebate with a rough disc on the angle grinder. If the area close to the cabin is just too rough, then, instead, run a batten parallel to the cabin along those sections so that the trimmer will cut along the same line. It's not the only way to do it but I think it's the quickest. And you'll never regret buying a trimmer!

    Rick

  29. #44969
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Always good to get another tool. Im sure its very doable.

  30. #44970
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Northern NSW Australia
    Posts
    73,431

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Congratulations Peter, must have been quite an effort to get her up there. Sounds like a launching is not far off? Combined with the EBS perchance?
    A fair bit of little stuff first but launching is certainly closer.
    Last edited by PeterSibley; 12-06-2018 at 09:33 PM. Reason: spelling.
    '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
    Grateful Dead

  31. #44971
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Uki, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    26,800

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    It’s the little stuff that consumes the time.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

  32. #44972
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    Yep. That and the big stuff.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  33. #44973
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    Non boat related except that it gets in the way of any deck work. Driving to Melbourne to visit my brother who has been diagnosed with throat cancer. Surgery next week so we want to catch up while he can still talk. Turbo died. I turn and a slow drive towards home. Until we failed to proceed altogether on a hill on the freeway. Now waiting for a grittier rescue us. 42C. Try again tomorrow.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  34. #44974
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    South Australia and Tasmania
    Posts
    16,000

    Default

    Bloody auto correct. U turn. Waiting for a friend


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  35. #44975
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Port Stephens
    Posts
    17,693

    Default Re: Antipodean Boats Connection

    Sorry to hear of the brother Phil. Not looking good for a friend of ours at present too. Hope it works out.

    Rick

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •