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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    The sweep oar is a flat blade whereas the other oars have curved blades.

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    Curved in section? Both faces, or only one?
    I could easily build up the blade and reshape it if the rest of it is suitable.

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    I'm assuming we're talking about surfboat oars? The rowing oars are spooned out so the aft facing side of the blade is concave. The sweep's oar is a long symmetrical (flat) blade.

    Worth noting that surfboat oars are very big. If you used a sweep oar for an SUP paddle, you could perhaps use the offcuts to make the SUP board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I would use a router, it works well for me, a guide and a pattern follower bit.. Do you have enough to experiment with ?


    I've got a bit of spare to play with, and a monstrous router. I thought that might just smash the acrylic to shrapnel. I'll give it a whizz.


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    I've cut perspex with a table saw, drop saw, bandsaw and router. It machines pretty well as long as it's a bit thick. 6mm is a good thickness. I don't think you'll have any trouble with the router. I'd only be concerned if the perspex is old, cracked stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I've cut perspex with a table saw, drop saw, bandsaw and router. It machines pretty well as long as it's a bit thick. 6mm is a good thickness. I don't think you'll have any trouble with the router. I'd only be concerned if the perspex is old, cracked stuff.


    Cool. It's new stuff. Some is for the house, some is (possibly) for Arawana.


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    I reckon I used a hand held jigsaw for the perspex on Balias back wheelhouse window, where ive mounted a few instruments.

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    And jigsaw!

    The rear hatch I put on Masina has a thick perspex top. I had to cut a big hole in it for one of those solar vent/fan things. I did that with a jigsaw.

    I think Bruce can go forward on this with confidence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattSplatt View Post
    Curved in section? Both faces, or only one?
    I could easily build up the blade and reshape it if the rest of it is suitable.
    Sorry Matt outside rebuilding Gardeners today . The oar is a skookum steering older style timber sweep with a flat blade and just short of your mast height , it does have a Kevlar collar and slight bend from some previous incident but there is plenty of length to work with. Best thing is the stainless oar collar which will adapt perfectly to Pixie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Thats fast
    I really had to look at that...what a silly bunt I am.
    And I know I typed kgs...autocorrect me thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Sorry Matt outside rebuilding Gardeners today . The oar is a skookum steering older style timber sweep with a flat blade and just short of your mast height , it does have a Kevlar collar and slight bend from some previous incident but there is plenty of length to work with. Best thing is the stainless oar collar which will adapt perfectly to Pixie.


    You have a Gardner? It should be in a shed. Or a boat. I didn't buy the one I was looking at. Went for about $700


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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I'm assuming we're talking about surfboat oars? The rowing oars are spooned out so the aft facing side of the blade is concave. The sweep's oar is a long symmetrical (flat) blade.
    Thank you. A steering sweep is what Tom mentioned. (I see now that I've read the rest of the posts, that Tom already covered this. Thank you. :-) )

    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Worth noting that surfboat oars are very big. If you used a sweep oar for an SUP paddle, you could perhaps use the offcuts to make the SUP board.

    Rick
    No no, this is a sculling oar for a 2.5t boat. The SUP paddle thing was a whole other conversation. I forget what about exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Here is the best calculator I've found Tom. http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/10/howto/birdsmouth/
    I used them for mine, I think I even saved the whole page to use offline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    You have a Gardner? It should be in a shed. Or a boat. I didn't buy the one I was looking at. Went for about $700


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    No Phil paying penance for my Vintage Race week .

    I can understand you getting exited about the Gardner engine $700 would have to be below scrap metal value ,but then again a rebuild would set you back quite a few large bills.

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    At a classic boat meeting a couple of nights ago we had great guest speaker talking about the Americas cup. ( The actual cup , not the event so much) Hamish Ross. I met Hamish a few decades ago through classic racing and he went on to have quite the legal career specialising in Americas cup stuff for various teams.
    Pretty lucky really , they brought the cup in and sat it up front for us to look at for a couple of hours( no touchy).

    There were several made at the time by Garrard as generic trophies in the classic water jug form, one picked out to be the trophy for a boat race.

    All quite interesting ,beaten out of one sheet of silver and how light it was in places( dangerously light), the additional bases made for engraving, the destruction and rebuild after it was attacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    No Phil paying penance for my Vintage Race week .

    I can understand you getting exited about the Gardner engine $700 would have to be below scrap metal value ,but then again a rebuild would set you back quite a few large bills.

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    I did think about that. But but scrap steel is only fetching about 20c a kg. I couldn't do that to such a lovely piece of art anyway. I'm more excited about my old boat being for sale. I suggested to Felicity we should buy it, then sell my cars and machines over the next 3 or 4 years and go sailing. Henry will be through Uni by then, shackles off, free to go. She didn't say yes immediately. I don't understand her sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    ............. I'm more excited about my old boat being for sale. I suggested to Felicity we should buy it, then sell my cars and machines over the next 3 or 4 years and go sailing. Henry will be through Uni by then, shackles off, free to go. She didn't say yes immediately. I don't understand her sometimes.
    It's certainly a well set up boat - looks like a real climb-on/sail-off proposition. Very comprehensive inventory.
    However, I've never been able to get excited about bilge keel yachts. Always seemed more like a motor-sailer than a yacht.
    Could be because my sole experience of sailing a bilge keeler was a very long time ago in a trailer sailer of about 19-20' (Hunter?) - and was at a time when I was sailing 12' skiffs and only speed mattered.
    In my current more senior age I can accept that motor-sailing when you didnt feel like drifting or slogging to windward might be a nice option to have.
    But how is it different to what you have now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I did think about that. But but scrap steel is only fetching about 20c a kg. I couldn't do that to such a lovely piece of art anyway. I'm more excited about my old boat being for sale. I suggested to Felicity we should buy it, then sell my cars and machines over the next 3 or 4 years and go sailing. Henry will be through Uni by then, shackles off, free to go. She didn't say yes immediately. I don't understand her sometimes.
    What about Balia , she's an offshore boat.
    The problem with cruising the islands is you become unsettled , want to change everything and carry on doing it , so I've heard.

    did I miss a link to the 'old boat' for sale listing? edit :yes I did. found it.

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    AKA going troppo.

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    Island time.

    I watched one of these guys videos after seeing it on Dylans SA thread, and then I spotted they are in places we visited last year.
    Like this one from about 3.15 on

    Amazing little island but open to the North and west, so pretty rolly. But so nice we stayed 3 days I think, got the flopper stopper over and put up with it.
    All that Mamanuca and Yasawa chain is like that come to think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I'm more excited about my old boat being for sale. I suggested to Felicity we should buy it, then sell my cars and machines over the next 3 or 4 years and go sailing. Henry will be through Uni by then, shackles off, free to go. She didn't say yes immediately. I don't understand her sometimes.
    You are one lucky dude ,I was staring down the barrel of divorce proceedings when I mentioned buying another boat on Monday.

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    Why would I go back to the big steel boat? Yes Balia is a very capable offshore boat. She will pretty much take whatever is thrown at her. Basically the same rig as Vulcan, cutter ketch. And indeed, when I bought Balia, I thought, pretty similar to Vulcan but wood. Great. We like Balia a lot and she will do everything we need. But we do miss Vulcan, and she will do everything we need a bit better. Vulcan was very, very well set up for short handed sailing. Everything led to 2 electric winches, either side of the helm. I always feel like Balia is slightly under canvassed, like sailing with one reef in. Vulcan, surprisingly for a bilge keeled steel boat, had a really good rig and sails. A tall and fairly light mast, though plenty stout for cruising. Dutchman flaking, 2 Profurls. Needed a new mizzen sail, but otherwise very good in the sail department and well set up. And as a liveaboard, just a better proposition. More room, better facilities. Not as nice, in terms of the fitout and ambience. Basically lots of thin ply and teak trim covering up hard steel. But way more practical. We lived aboard very comfortably for 2 years in PNG, me, Felicity, 2 kids the first year plus a baby the second year. He learned to walk on the boat. Absolutely huge storage. Inside and outside helm. Strong, high stainless post and rail fence right around. Full sized domestic gas stove and an upright fridge (dont open the door on port tack) as well as a chest freezer. Proper stand up hot shower. Lots of other details that just make her a more suitable long term cruising boat. I dont actually see us buying Vulcan, but one can surely daydream, and it certainly is nice to have a partner who shares those dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Why would I go back to the big steel boat? Yes Balia is a very capable offshore boat. She will pretty much take whatever is thrown at her. Basically the same rig as Vulcan, cutter ketch. And indeed, when I bought Balia, I thought, pretty similar to Vulcan but wood. Great. We like Balia a lot and she will do everything we need. But we do miss Vulcan, and she will do everything we need a bit better. Vulcan was very, very well set up for short handed sailing. Everything led to 2 electric winches, either side of the helm. I always feel like Balia is slightly under canvassed, like sailing with one reef in. Vulcan, surprisingly for a bilge keeled steel boat, had a really good rig and sails. A tall and fairly light mast, though plenty stout for cruising. Dutchman flaking, 2 Profurls. Needed a new mizzen sail, but otherwise very good in the sail department and well set up. And as a liveaboard, just a better proposition. More room, better facilities. Not as nice, in terms of the fitout and ambience. Basically lots of thin ply and teak trim covering up hard steel. But way more practical. We lived aboard very comfortably for 2 years in PNG, me, Felicity, 2 kids the first year plus a baby the second year. He learned to walk on the boat. Absolutely huge storage. Inside and outside helm. Strong, high stainless post and rail fence right around. Full sized domestic gas stove and an upright fridge (dont open the door on port tack) as well as a chest freezer. Proper stand up hot shower. Lots of other details that just make her a more suitable long term cruising boat. I dont actually see us buying Vulcan, but one can surely daydream, and it certainly is nice to have a partner who shares those dreams.
    Vulcan is a very impressive and capable looking boat however the seller is not even divulgin her age. I believe for an older? steel yacht with bilge keels the asking price is way to high.
    You as a former owner would have to be aware of her history was she built overseas or locally. My main concern would be the quality of steel used and present condition if she was built in Australia or by an owner builder, which is what I seem to be reading.

    Interesting bit of history regarding living aboard in NG you ever want to trade and Iím not talking boats let me know.

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    Very relaxed day at the boat. The main reason for going up was to bring the other half of the dinghy home for a rebirthing....it's what you do when you realize building a new dinghy is not going to happen any time soon. So fix up what you've got.
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    Taking the dinghy off exposed the forehatch, the last piece other than the tiller of brightwork on deck. The plan was to sand it back and put a coat of two pack clear poly on it. However try as I might I could not get the lid off one of the tins. So bowing to reality I got the Vinguard out and painted the bloody thing grey. The choices having been narrowed are now all sandstone or the sides red to go with the theme. I shall cogitate upon it.
    My berth is cheap because it's close to the bank and I sit on the bottom at low tide but it's getting to the stage where I could antifoul at low tide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Vulcan is a very impressive and capable looking boat however the seller is not even divulgin her age. I believe for an older? steel yacht with bilge keels the asking price is way to high.
    You as a former owner would have to be aware of her history was she built overseas or locally. My main concern would be the quality of steel used and present condition if she was built in Australia or by an owner builder, which is what I seem to be reading.

    Interesting bit of history regarding living aboard in NG you ever want to trade and I’m not talking boats let me know.
    Yeah shes way overpriced. Built in Australia, Brisbane I think, but not sure, in 1987. The build quality is good. She had some rust internally way down in the lowest part of the keel, but still plenty of steel there. I think that might have been cut out and replated since then. And rust under the capping rail around the deck. Otherwise all clean. We bought her, what, going on 20 years ago now, for $120,000 and sold her a few years later for $115,000. It was a very good arrangement because housing in Port Moresby is extremely expensive, around $1000 a week rent for an apartment way back then. I was working for a law firm and accommodation was part of the package. I said hey, how about instead of you guys paying rent on an apartment, I buy this boat and sail it up there, and you can make the payments on my boat loan? They said yeah, no worries. 2 years, $1000 a week, worked out pretty well. Sailed her home at the end of my contract.

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    Fish and chips yesterday and up all night with a gut wog. So no duty roster for me this weekend but if I come good then I've got a weekend in the shed.
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    Old fish Gary ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Old fish Gary ?
    From Get Hooked at Tweed, Kez had the same and she's a bit crook as well, it was Perch.
    At least it wasn't the salmon mousse?

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    Of course I knew this was going to happen...

    Retrenched at 59 from a nine year Project Management role in Defence, then a hard time doing bits and pieces work for a while, several years of voluntary work on subsistence money, and finally retirement. Less than a month later a recruitment company wants me to apply for a Project Management role in Defence that they are trying to fill. No means NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    Of course I knew this was going to happen...

    Retrenched at 59 from a nine year Project Management role in Defence, then a hard time doing bits and pieces work for a while, several years of voluntary work on subsistence money, and finally retirement. Less than a month later a recruitment company wants me to apply for a Project Management role in Defence that they are trying to fill. No means NO.
    I think you should apply and if you succeed work for a month then cutback to one day a week with medical reasons or whatever.
    You may find that extremly satisfying well I certainly am ,going in on a Monday and listening to all the moaning and groaning finishing up my one day and then having six days of.

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    and think of the money ! It might be useful.
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    Six days of... ???

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    Defence contracts aren't malleable enough to become a day a week. Also there isn't enough money in the world to get me to sign up to one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    Six days of... ???


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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    Defence contracts aren't malleable enough to become a day a week. Also there isn't enough money in the world to get me to sign up to one.


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    Good ! More sailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    Six days of... ???
    Going flat out prioritising mostly what I feel is important .

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