Antipodean Boats Connection

[RFNK]

Sounds like batteries to me.

Rick

[Small boats rock]

6 years is a pretty impressive run for lead acid batteries. I had a pair of trojan t105s set up in my shed, they gave me about 5 years under pretty much ideal conditions the whole time.

[Phil Y]

Not what I want to hear but you are probably right.

[Phil Y]

I don't know if I mentioned how big this welder is.



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[skuthorp]

How long ago did 18 footers sport gaff topsails?
I came on a postcard at a local market today. Steel engraving, 3 old style 18 footers under main, jib and topsail on a broad reach with a others and a double decker steam ferry in the background and a square rig poking out above a headland. Drawn from Pinchgut. Maker's mark HB in an artists palette.
I'd estimate from the style and the medium, pre WW1, maybe pre 1900. Before night photography was reliable artists were employed to make sketches on the spot, work up a drawing and then engravers with hand gouges made a plate or a wood cut block. Sometimes a composite plate or block, the drawing was pasted down on a set of pre cut L shaped sections ands a team of hand engravers set to wok. After the whole was reassembled and printed from.

[auscruisertom]

There's not many carpenters left

I doubt it any of the guys I worked with in the seventies ever built a spiral staircase ,but then again I leaned to swing a framing hammer prior to the widespread use of nail guns. Boy did we have some crazy fun with those.

[PeterSibley]

Oh Bugger, shed envy and excavator envy at the same time !
The MIG is impressive but I always worry about the gas bill.

[PeterSibley]

How long ago did 18 footers sport gaff topsails?
I came on a postcard at a local market today. Steel engraving, 3 old style 18 footers under main, jib and topsail on a broad reach with a others and a double decker steam ferry in the background and a square rig poking out above a headland. Drawn from Pinchgut. Maker's mark HB in an artists palette.
I'd estimate from the style and the medium, pre WW1, maybe pre 1900. Before night photography was reliable artists were employed to make sketches on the spot, work up a drawing and then engravers with hand gouges made a plate or a wood cut block. Sometimes a composite plate or block, the drawing was pasted down on a set of pre cut L shaped sections ands a team of hand engravers set to wok. After the whole was reassembled and printed from.

Did they ever acid etch through a resist Jeff ?

[Small boats rock]

Oh Bugger, shed envy and excavator envy at the same time !
The MIG is impressive but I always worry about the gas bill.

At least it only needs one type of gas.

[PeterSibley]

But that type isn't cheap!

[WX]

I dunno johnno, make quite a reasonable mooring filled with concrete…………...

Thankfully no drink in my hand.

[skuthorp]

Did they ever acid etch through a resist Jeff ?

Yes, photo engraving and etching. Zinc, a fish based resist and sulphuric acid. There was also copper plate engraving, positively toxic but when 20 quid a week was a good tradies wage those bloke earned 50+. Killed 'em early though. I started as an etcher and thought better of it. Good decision.
This card is a reduction of a bigger steel engraving printed by lithography but by the backing style it's old. Trying to trace the trade mark.

[Geftb]

Re gas. He only welds once in a while. It will be the bottle hire that adds up

[Geftb]

I doubt it any of the guys I worked with in the seventies ever built a spiral staircase ,but then again I leaned to swing a framing hammer prior to the widespread use of nail guns. Boy did we have some crazy fun with those.

Yeah.. it's more a joinery thing I guess

[Phil Y]

Re gas. He only welds once in a while. It will be the bottle hire that adds up

Apparently these days Bunnos does a thing where there is a deposit on the bottle, but no hire fee. So that side of it should work out OK.

[WX]

Yes, photo engraving and etching. Zinc, a fish based resist and sulphuric acid. There was also copper plate engraving, positively toxic but when 20 quid a week was a good tradies wage those bloke earned 50+. Killed 'em early though. I started as an etcher and thought better of it. Good decision.
This card is a reduction of a bigger steel engraving printed by lithography but by the backing style it's old. Trying to trace the trade mark.

Was there supposed to be a photo with this Jeff?

[The Bigfella]

I believe I may have passed another inmate on the Bells Line of Road yesterday. Pointy-nosed guy driving one of these



Then again... it might not have been him. I didn't chase him down.

[skuthorp]

Was there supposed to be a photo with this Jeff?

No.

[PeterSibley]

Yes, photo engraving and etching. Zinc, a fish based resist and sulphuric acid. There was also copper plate engraving, positively toxic but when 20 quid a week was a good tradies wage those bloke earned 50+. Killed 'em early though. I started as an etcher and thought better of it. Good decision.
This card is a reduction of a bigger steel engraving printed by lithography but by the backing style it's old. Trying to trace the trade mark.

The etching reaction would give off hydrogen but what was the poisonous output? My chemistry is almost non existent . Zinc sulphide ? How did it poison workers ?

[skuthorp]

The copper etch was the problem, Ferric Chloride I think. No one wore gloves or breathers and worked very close to the piece with watch glass eye pieces a deal of the time. 12 hour days for some of them as there were very few. And then, more or less overnight, it stopped. Yellow skin, coughing, a cumulative effect not helped by smoking.
Here…..https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/0532.pdf

[PeterSibley]

Nasty! and likely quick path to emphysema .

[The Bigfella]

One from FB.

[Phil Y]

Well I spent some time on youtube learning about my Singer machine. Tracked the problem down to the motor. Kind of ****s me when someone sells a thing as in good working order, when its not. I guess Ill look out for another one, or hunt down a local sewing machine hoarder who might have a spare motor.

[skuthorp]

Blimey, Scotland up near Darwin? No wonder i'ts been so hot over there……………...

[brucemoffatt]

Well I spent some time on youtube learning about my Singer machine. Tracked the problem down to the motor. Kind of ****s me when someone sells a thing as in good working order, when its not. I guess Ill look out for another one, or hunt down a local sewing machine hoarder who might have a spare motor.

Ask Matt


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[PeterSibley]

Blimey, Scotland up near Darwin? No wonder i'ts been so hot over there……………...

It explains the Romanians around here too.

[Small boats rock]

Well I spent some time on youtube learning about my Singer machine. Tracked the problem down to the motor. Kind of ****s me when someone sells a thing as in good working order, when its not. I guess Ill look out for another one, or hunt down a local sewing machine hoarder who might have a spare motor.

Since you now have a nice MIG, maybe use it to weld a bracket to support a non singer motor in your sewing machine. Must be heaps which could do the job. Feasible?

[Chris249]

How long ago did 18 footers sport gaff topsails?
I came on a postcard at a local market today. Steel engraving, 3 old style 18 footers under main, jib and topsail on a broad reach with a others and a double decker steam ferry in the background and a square rig poking out above a headland. Drawn from Pinchgut. Maker's mark HB in an artists palette.
I'd estimate from the style and the medium, pre WW1, maybe pre 1900. Before night photography was reliable artists were employed to make sketches on the spot, work up a drawing and then engravers with hand gouges made a plate or a wood cut block. Sometimes a composite plate or block, the drawing was pasted down on a set of pre cut L shaped sections ands a team of hand engravers set to wok. After the whole was reassembled and printed from.

Up till, and in, the 1930s. Given the fact that in the '30s the 18 Footers split between the lightweight "skiff types" (until then, "skiff" was an insult to 18 Footer sailors) and the heavier big-rigged traditional types, it also depends on what club the boats were racing with.

The 18s were still growing pre 1900; if the print is that old the boats may be 22 Footers, which were then the dominant class.

[PeterSibley]

Since you now have a nice MIG, maybe use it to weld a bracket to support a non singer motor in your sewing machine. Must be heaps which could do the job. Feasible?

If a Singer motor can't be found an electric drill might work.

[brucemoffatt]

If a Singer motor can't be found an electric drill might work.

Pretty sure Matt could get the specs off that motor and source a replacement with specs that would do the job, maybe a different size and maybe needing some kind of a kludge to get the revs near enough, but I wouldn't be getting concerned about until he has been consulted. You might jag it with a drill motor, but you might just buy a more suitable one off-the-shelf.


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[Small boats rock]

Or if it might be needed for off grid work how about repurposing a two stroke chainsaw engine. There should be more two stroke driven things in this world.

[Phil Y]

Since you now have a nice MIG, maybe use it to weld a bracket to support a non singer motor in your sewing machine. Must be heaps which could do the job. Feasible?

Probably not. I think it was the first Singer to have an internal motor with a worm drive, if that's the right word. But still with all metal gears and parts and the grunt to get through several layers of canvas. I might go back to the industrial Pfaff I was given. It's only straight stitch though and is a model specifically built for boot making. So plenty strong but the business part of it s set up 4 inches or do on a post. I think that might make it difficult for normal canvas work. Probably worth a try. And maybe I can lower the table 4 inches and add a new work surface at the top of the post thing.


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[Phil Y]

Pretty sure Matt could get the specs off that motor and source a replacement with specs that would do the job, maybe a different size and maybe needing some kind of a kludge to get the revs near enough, but I wouldn't be getting concerned about until he has been consulted. You might jag it with a drill motor, but you might just buy a more suitable one off-the-shelf.


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Probably not. It's a pretty precise internal fit with a worm gear on the business end. I'd rather get Matt to rewire the boat!


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[Phil Y]

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[Small boats rock]

Could the existing motor be fixed rather than replaced? Rewinding can't be that hard... can it?