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    [QUOTE=Phil Y;5393416]

    Anyway, I reckon the main mast in her must weigh, well, a lot. The mizzen takes 2 or 3 or 4 guys to lift, so the main must weigh a ton. Literally. A nice aluminium stick, with all the clever bits already on it, well that would be a fine, fine thing wouldn't it? I wonder if he's selling the sails too? Can't be any worse than my current suit.

    And the most amazing thing? It's actually in Adelaide. Nothing is ever in Adelaide, and shipping a 60 foot mast anywhere is no small consideration.[/QUOTE

    If all else fails there is a good excuse to pick up a mast using Balia.

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    Our estuary sailing is getting difficult, the channel is narrow and deep this year and the slope off the beach steep. Not so safe a beach for children as usual. Today was difficult, some of the longer term members said it was the most difficult sailing conditions they'd had for years.
    A 17-20 kph offshore wind and a 7 kph outward tidal current in the same direction down the river made for an interesting day. I sailed a Mirror with my neophyte neighbour. He got christened but we only went over once, others not so lucky. A few retrievals needed. But with a wind like that the Mirror got up and planed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Yes, exactly like that! I'm sure that, with David's assistance if I get stuck, and your guidance, I'll be able to make the pattern. Are you interested?

    Rick
    Rick, how big ? We'll need some dimensions to start on.

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    [QUOTE=auscruisertom;5393573]
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post

    Anyway, I reckon the main mast in her must weigh, well, a lot. The mizzen takes 2 or 3 or 4 guys to lift, so the main must weigh a ton. Literally. A nice aluminium stick, with all the clever bits already on it, well that would be a fine, fine thing wouldn't it? I wonder if he's selling the sails too? Can't be any worse than my current suit.

    And the most amazing thing? It's actually in Adelaide. Nothing is ever in Adelaide, and shipping a 60 foot mast anywhere is no small consideration.[/QUOTE

    If all else fails there is a good excuse to pick up a mast using Balia.
    That would be difficult I think. But with this one being local, no worries. I'm thinking though, looking at the pics on gumtree, that it might be a bit of a skinny lightweight racing sort of a mast. 4 sets of spreaders. Not sure I'd be comfortable going quite so extreme, and I suspect such an engineering masterpiece would require really tight rigging, more stress than I like to put on an old wooden boat. It came off an aluminium boat. Has rod rigging, hydraulic backstay, was probably state of the art at some stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Rick, how big ? We'll need some dimensions to start on.

    Balia has 2 just like that. Must be some very fine pattern making to get the cowl just right, not too thick, not too thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It would be a valuable pattern and worth the effort but I'm going to have to think about the core box !!
    https://shop.classic-boat-supplies.c...ic-cowl-vents/
    Are you an accurate woodturner ?
    Yes, I can be. For Masina, the throat will need to be about 100mm but a bit less wouldn't be a problem. Opening size wouldn't be critical.

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    Phil, does Balia have a 60' mast? Seems tall!

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post

    That would be difficult I think. But with this one being local, no worries. I'm thinking though, looking at the pics on gumtree, that it might be a bit of a skinny lightweight racing sort of a mast. 4 sets of spreaders. Not sure I'd be comfortable going quite so extreme, and I suspect such an engineering masterpiece would require really tight rigging, more stress than I like to put on an old wooden boat. It came off an aluminium boat. Has rod rigging, hydraulic backstay, was probably state of the art at some stage.
    Four sets seems extreme.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Hello. My name is Stu and I've just joined and thought I'd introduce myself here. This site is a great resource for a bloke like me contemplating which boat and how for a first build.

    I am from Perth, Western Australia, with my nearest boat ramp being Ocean Reef. 95% of my time in boats is fishing related, with the other 5% river sightseeing with wife and kids.

    I've got a couple of questions and will post them in the appropriate area.

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    Welcome to the forum Pilchard.
    There is nothing quite as permanent as a good temporary repair.

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    [QUOTE=Phil Y;5393952]
    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post

    That would be difficult I think. But with this one being local, no worries. I'm thinking though, looking at the pics on gumtree, that it might be a bit of a skinny lightweight racing sort of a mast. 4 sets of spreaders. Not sure I'd be comfortable going quite so extreme, and I suspect such an engineering masterpiece would require really tight rigging, more stress than I like to put on an old wooden boat. It came off an aluminium boat. Has rod rigging, hydraulic backstay, was probably state of the art at some stage.
    Technical term for a mast like that is 'noodle'.

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    Welcome Stu. Bruce here, in Adelaide.

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    Welcome Stu from Tom on the Gold Coast .
    I will be interested to hear of your fishing exploits.

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    Welcome Stu!

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    G'day Stu ! Welcome.
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    [QUOTE=John B;5394050]
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post

    Technical term for a mast like that is 'noodle'.
    Yes, maybe not my thing. I'd like something with a bit of inherent substance, but possibly not a whole tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Phil, does Balia have a 60' mast? Seems tall!

    Rick
    14.5 metres from the deck, plus a couple more from the deck to the step, so no, not quite 60 feet, but the one on gumtree is 58'6". Keel stepped.

    Im not sure whether 60 feet is all that tall on a 50 foot boat, I seem to think the mast is often a bit longer than the boat. Balia seems to have an u usually long boom by modern standards, 5.5 metres long. The boom on the gumtree one is 4.5 It would be nice to have a taller mast and shorter boom, get the main sheet away from the back of the cockpit, onto,the cabin top, but I can't really do that with the present boom. plus a more powerful genoa. Balias is a bit small, high cut, not much overlap.

    My current mast is consistent with the original plans at 48'4" above deck. The original sail plan had a low tack and a wishbone boom. Balia has a normal boom, which I suspect has been raised a foot or more to accommodate the dodger. So its a bit like weve always got the first reef in.

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    Sorry the pic came out upside down. My Genoa is somewhere between no 3 and number 4 I'd say.
    Last edited by Phil Y; 11-13-2017 at 12:06 AM.

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    Heres the gumtree ad for the noodle stick

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lynt...oom/1143147895


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    Welcome aboard Stu. Jeff from SE Victoria.

    I lived in Sth Perth for a year, sailed on the Swan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Heres the gumtree ad for the noodle stick

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lynt...oom/1143147895

    That mast is going to need runners, check stays and a babystay to control fore and aft bend, and limit pumping. Tuning it means a lot of trips up the mast to adjust the diagonals. And the whole lot better be wound up bar tight with tie rods through from the chainplates to the maststep to stop the hull bending.

    Rod is getting harder to source and expensive work with as the top boats these days have gone PBO or Carbon rigging. Changing over to wire is expensive due to the costs of adapting the mast and spreader ends to take the end fittings. Probably at least 10-15k or so to rerig with wire.

    Your insurance would likely also go up with runners and rod.

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    Just looks like a real racing rig to me! I don't know much about it but it doesn't look like a mast for a cruising yacht to me. Know any riggers?

    Rick

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    I think we've talked me out of it. Not a cruising mast.

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    Hi Stu, the other guys are too polite to mention that you have to post a photo of your boat. Welcome aboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Hi Stu, the other guys are too polite to mention that you have to post a photo of your boat. Welcome aboard.
    Photo??? You made me write a damn book!
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    Not a damn book. A damn good book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Not a damn book. A damn good book.
    Ta.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Weird !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Weird !
    What is even weirder is thst there is a bid.

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    Welcome Stu, I’m an ex West Oz from Busselton. Now living in NSW.

    I’ve had some small chaffcutter blades kicking around for a few decades with plans of doing something with them. Anyway I finally did something with one of them.
    7E5FF1DD-72E3-4442-99A2-B24B83FE01EB.jpg
    I’ll have a go at some copper rivets today probably. I tried it out on finely chopping garlic and it was very comfortable to use.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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    What is? The 0.99? There's a reserve - probably close to the 28K or maybe he's encouraging lower bids up to, say 15K in the hope that someone will think they're getting a 28K boat for a lot less. In any case, who'd buy a boat like that without going and checking it out and then you'd negotiate a price with the owner anyway.

    Rick

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    Gary, there are better tools for chopping up copper rivets than that.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Gary, there are better tools for chopping up copper rivets than that.

    Rick
    You’re in good form this morning Rick.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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    On my way to a traditional joinery to have a whole lot of seasoned turpentine machined for skirting and architraves.

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Welcome Stu, I’m an ex West Oz from Busselton. Now living in NSW.

    I’ve had some small chaffcutter blades kicking around for a few decades with plans of doing something with them. Anyway I finally did something with one of them.
    7E5FF1DD-72E3-4442-99A2-B24B83FE01EB.jpg
    I’ll have a go at some copper rivets today probably. I tried it out on finely chopping garlic and it was very comfortable to use.
    That looks really nice! You could sell such a thing at a farmers market for what? $40 or $50?

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