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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
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    I wonder why the cat did flip? It doesn't sound like there were unusually big seas.

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    Normally they land on their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    I wonder why the cat did flip? It doesn't sound like there were unusually big seas.
    From what I can find out, it's the second of that design to have an "unassisted" capsize - a third fell over after hitting a container. Seems to be quite a high-powered design for a cruiser, with a notably big rig. We've had a couple of cruising cats in the family and I've done a bit of offshore and inshore stuff on various big multis as well as our own small cats, and one thing that has always struck me is that the squaretop mainsails can increase the already very heavy mainsheet loads, to the stage where getting rid of the mainsheet in a hurry can be problematic. While I don't think cats kill more people, the propaganda that says that cruising cats don't flip is just rubbish - plenty of them do. The strangest one I know also happened not far from Sydney, when a cruiser/racer around 40 feet long capsized (again, in a winter westerly, I think) not far from shore in a shorthanded race and was abandoned. The weird thing is that it was found months or years later, back upright. I still haven't heard the full story.

    My brother's 38 foot cat has a smaller roach than many other cats do, and a wishbone boom. The sheet loads are incredibly light for a boat of that type, and you could if you wanted to play the mainsheet easily. The loads on some of the other cats I've sailed are enormous. We had a "cat style" mainsheet on the J/36, by which I mean it was led to a winch each side. I found it slow and cumbersome to use unless you were doing nothing but working the main. I replaced it with the old mainsheet system off our Hobie 20, which works reasonably well (although it needs a fine tune). The fact that a tackle can come off a 20 foot beach cat and go onto a 36 foot fractional cruiser/racer says something about the mainsheet loads on cats!
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    Thanks Chris! All speculation now, of course, but if I had to guess, I'd be suggesting a jammed or slow mainsheet, or a sudden shift that put them a little higher. Those westerly gusts can hit hard here without much warning. People seem to be wondering why they were out in those conditions but I don't think there was really much swell and while it was forecast to be windy, it wasn't all that windy. That's not to say there weren't any wild gusts - there probably were

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    Well my deckhead is painted. Looks OK. In real life you can see where various ply joins are, like a badly flushed ceiling. And the masking of the deck beams leaves a bit to be desired. But it's done. Next job I reckon is cleats and fairleads.

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    Looks good Phil.
    Congratulations on not getting so frustrated you just painted over everything.
    I'd have come close at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    I wonder why the cat did flip? It doesn't sound like there were unusually big seas.

    I have no idea but i can visualise a scenario; high loads up high, jibe, gust, not accelerate fast enough, facing down a moderate swell, dig in one of the bows and trip over.

    I love the idea of a cat but stories like that ... not sure i'd ever relax in one off shore.
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    We had one capsize up this way a few years ago and it was the second time it had gone over. Not enough beam, the present owners treat it as a power cat and left the rig off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Looks good Phil.
    Congratulations on not getting so frustrated you just painted over everything.
    I'd have come close at least.
    Thanks. In the aft cabin the beams were painted and the old deckhead was varnished. I masked the beams and painted the deckhead. Now there are some little bits of unpainted ply where the masking was a bit off. I guess I'll paint the lot back there some time. The old cream colour which I used to think of as white is now showing as very grubby yellow. It never ends.

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    Looks really good from here Phil! In the photos, I mean - great!

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    Thanks Rick. Rustoleum floor enamel. Single part oil based paint. Came up quite glossy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I have no idea but i can visualise a scenario; high loads up high, jibe, gust, not accelerate fast enough, facing down a moderate swell, dig in one of the bows and trip over.

    I love the idea of a cat but stories like that ... not sure i'd ever relax in one off shore.
    That is pretty well how I capsized a Blazer 23 after coming of a full on planning spinnaker run .
    A crew member up forward on the leeward side who despite being told to come was not listening , followed by a wild jibe combined with a fouled main sheet a big gust of wind and over she went.

    No surprise since the boat was called “Heart Attack”

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    They were heading from Port Stephens to the Central Coast in a W wind, which is almost on the nose - a beam reach only if it was true NW, which I don't think it was. Seems unlikely that there were any gybes. Boards were down - both. I reckon they were headed, forced too high (increased their apparent wind) or the mainsheet jammed. Or they hit something - but there's no apparent damage. They could have hit a whale, I guess.

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    Given the popularity of cats for cruising the oz coast and beyond, it is a bit alarming to think that the designs might be more on the edge than what good cruising boats should be. Whatever happened to the all the wharrams so prevalent just a few decades ago.

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    Hard to say what happened judging by the ages of the owners and number of people aboard one could speculate they where not pushing the boat too hard unless multiple gear failures, such as inability to reef or furl a headsail caused excessive speed.
    Another possibility may have been rudder failure rounding up wildly with the boat becoming unstable while making leeway and the leeward hull tripping on a wave as the full force of the wind hits her once on the the opposite tack. Or as you said Rick

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    What sort of cat, what length? It's hard to tell from the news articles.

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    One day 40 or so years ago we were walking through Hood's Marblehead boatyard and saw a man preparing a cat for some clearly serious passage (turned out it was Ray Greene preparing to cross the Atlantic). Silly me, I had the idea to question what happens if you capsize, and went ahead and asked. Oh, that will never happen, he said. Within a week Phil Weld was sitting on the bottom on his big cat off Cape Horn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    Given the popularity of cats for cruising the oz coast and beyond, it is a bit alarming to think that the designs might be more on the edge than what good cruising boats should be. Whatever happened to the all the wharrams so prevalent just a few decades ago.
    When a berth costs more than the boat. Oh and they were not floating apartments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    What sort of cat, what length? It's hard to tell from the news articles.
    I think it's a Spirit 380. Generally a pretty highly regarded design, I'm told.

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    There's so much boat in a catamaran.
    Even in a mere 38ft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I think it's a Spirit 380. Generally a pretty highly regarded design, I'm told.

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    You can go a long way in a small cat if you combine stoopid with chicken in the right proportions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    You can go a long way in a small cat if you combine stoopid with chicken in the right proportions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I think it's a Spirit 380. Generally a pretty highly regarded design, I'm told.

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    Sorry, I meant Spirited 380

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    You can go a long way in a small cat if you combine stoopid with chicken in the right proportions.


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    Or if you combine cat with chicken in the right proportions you can make a pretty good stoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Or if you combine cat with chicken in the right proportions you can make a pretty good stoo.

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    Glad I'm a vegetarian!

    Actually, make that a "fish 'n chipocrit". But hey, most fish are carnivores so they have no right to complain if it's their turn to be the loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Glad I'm a vegetarian!

    Actually, make that a "fish 'n chipocrit". But hey, most fish are carnivores so they have no right to complain if it's their turn to be the loser.


    I saw a cow eat a live snail in a mouthful of wet grass once. Game on, cows. Fish, chips, hamburgers. So long as the hamburger has beetroot I'm good with it.


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    Brrrrrr....I’m glad I don’t live further south.
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    Started a new rudder for a fellow club member's boat yesterday. Bit cold as yet to do much else but cut it out and sand it smooth.
    Not much else boat wise but I am considering rigging one of my salvaged pond yachts. Carved from a solid block of cedar but never finished. Couta Boat.

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    I'm so envious of you with those pond yachts Jeff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    So long as the hamburger has beetroot I'm good with it.
    I thought only Kiwis were that strange.
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