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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    Do you have to sharpen new ones??


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    The saw tooth ones are easier to sharpen.
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    I think, strictly, the saw tooth ones are not Forstner bits but I think the terminology is redundant. I think the saw tooth ones are more efficient and give a cleaner cut. I call them all Forstner bits and yes, it's easy to sharpen the saw tooth ones.

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    Ready to roll the Cadet to do some work on the hull. And did I mention that I hit a rock in my Sabre last week and will have to do a decent patch tomorrow.

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    A roll and rock situation!

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    Elvis lives !
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    Patches, I'm so proud of ya son ....

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    I guess these must be the best Australian timbers for boatbuilding-
    stringybark, spotted gum and sydney bluegum (used to make 180 year old 9 metre boat uncovered in Sydney...) https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...373c1b06d90100
    video: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c6a1c43fa34774

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    Looks like it’s going to be a fine day to haul a boat out. The crane is booked for midday and I’ll probably putt around to the slip at ten and tie up.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    I’ve worked out how to hotspot my iPad off the mobile which makes posting so much easier. The mobile is frustratingly slow.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    I still can't do it Gary .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I still can't do it Gary .
    Hotspot or Dropbox?
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Dropbox.... if you're ever passing ?
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    Phil, i was thinking about yur deck last night.
    I recalled a boat the the Sydney show that clearly had glassed over a laid deck.

    IMG_4542.jpg

    You can kinda see it there. Anitra V is the name of the boat.
    I always understood you couldn't do anything over teak, but that looked in good nick. I didn't ask how long it was down for.

    Maybe removing the suspect patches, replacing the area with ply to make level and then glass the whole shootin match - existing teak and all?
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    My father did two Sydney to Hobarts on Anitra V. Not the year she won but later on.

    Glassing over a teak on plywood deck would be fine as long as you were 100% sure that there's no remaining rot or moisture. I don't think I'd risk it but, with a moisture meter, it's feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Phil, i was thinking about yur deck last night.
    I recalled a boat the the Sydney show that clearly had glassed over a laid deck.

    IMG_4542.jpg

    You can kinda see it there. Anitra V is the name of the boat.
    I always understood you couldn't do anything over teak, but that looked in good nick. I didn't ask how long it was down for.

    Maybe removing the suspect patches, replacing the area with ply to make level and then glass the whole shootin match - existing teak and all?
    Thanks for the thought, but I'd rather get all the teak off so I can see whats happening to the ply and remove anything thats not good enough. I dont know if you saw the pics I posted-my starboard sidedeck looked pretty good from above, and perfect from below. 2 decklights dripped a little, even after I rebedded them in butyl rubber, and theres always been just the very occasional drip from one of the bolts coming down through the cabin side. And there was just a little bit of cupping, and a broken seal between seam compound and one bit of teak, maybe 3 inches. Plus some rot around a badly designed pushpit stanchion base-a single, central bolt going through the deck. OK thats quite a bit when I list it like that, but thats on about 25 feet by 2 feet of deck. Once I removed the teak, there was clearly not much salvageable ply. Certainly not worth patching, better just to remove the lot and start again. I'd hate to have glassed over the teak, leaving that cancerous mess in place. Im still not 100% sure i wont be replacing the whole deck, but if I do, it will be in stages. I hope not, but its possible. We shall see what we shall see as the teak comes off.

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    I've just come back from cleaning Masina's hull. It's 2.5 years since it was antifouled and hasn't been scrubbed since. It's not bad - very little shell and most of the growth just wipes off. Slack to leave it this long but it does no harm because the hull is sheathed. I will never have another wooden boat that isn't sheathed. I don't have to worry about worms or that shell that sort of digs in. Antifoul lasts solo much longer on a sheathed hull too.

    I'm taking Masina around to Oyster Cove next week for the haul out so I wanted the bottom reasonably free of growth or it'd be a pretty slow trip.

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    eeek, i didn't realise you'd uncovered that much.
    I see the pads they've put under the stanchion feet and other fittings. I'll be doing that so the fittings don't pool water around the bolt penetrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I've just come back from cleaning Masina's hull. It's 2.5 Yeats since it was antifouled and hasn't been scrubbed since. It's not bad - very little shell and most of the growth just wipes off. Slack to leave it this long but it does no harm because the hull is sheathed. I will never have another wooden boat that isn't sheathed. I don't have to worry about worms or that shell that sort of digs in. Antifoul lasts solo much longer on a sheathed hull too.

    I'm taking Masina around to Oyster Cove next week for the haul out so I wanted the bottom reasonably free of growth or it'd be a pretty slow trip.

    Rick
    Isn't the general wisdom that sheathing only one side will relatively quickly lead to delamination as the interior expands and contracts with humidity etc...?
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    It's a common view but not wisdom. Sheathing a dry deck and sheathing a sound wooden hull are, in my opinion, the best things you can do for a wooden boat.

    I'm reluctant to suggest any more work on your Tasman Seabird but yes, if I were you, I'd glass sheathe the hull. At least below the waterline.

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    If only to keep the worms out.
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    My boat was sheathed externally when she was built. Interior of the hull is just painted. All good. Except a few spots on the topsides over the years where the seams have moved and made a crack in the glass. Wasnt a problem in Tasmania, but it happened in Brisbane and here in Adelaide. Adhesion is fine either side of the crack. I run a circular saw blade about half way through the plank thickness, glue in a thin spline and glass over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    eeek, i didn't realise you'd uncovered that much.
    I see the pads they've put under the stanchion feet and other fittings. I'll be doing that so the fittings don't pool water around the bolt penetrations.
    There are no pads under my stanchion feet or other fittings. Good idea though. Ill repost a couple of pics, they copy from my phone to my ipad, but not my laptop. Have to find the ipad.

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    OMG our internet is so slow. Ill try from the phone!

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    Exhibit one. What a lovely deck.


    Exhibit two. Not too shabby inside either


    In summary your Honour nothing to see here.

    But wait. What evil lurks unseen? Tear away this cloak of deceit and see with your own eyes.



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    It looks worse in real life. There are two layers of ply. In many places the top layer was just soggy mush. In some places the bottom sheet has gone too leaving only the deckhead paint.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I've just come back from cleaning Masina's hull. It's 2.5 years since it was antifouled and hasn't been scrubbed since. It's not bad - very little shell and most of the growth just wipes off. Slack to leave it this long but it does no harm because the hull is sheathed. I will never have another wooden boat that isn't sheathed. I don't have to worry about worms or that shell that sort of digs in. Antifoul lasts solo much longer on a sheathed hull too.

    I'm taking Masina around to Oyster Cove next week for the haul out so I wanted the bottom reasonably free of growth or it'd be a pretty slow trip.

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    What antifoul do you use?

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    Gratuitous scary photo of a worm eaten sacrificial keel from a friend's boat. Courtesy of the Brisbane River.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    What antifoul do you use?
    Carboline 2000 or 1000? I'll check ...

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    Carboline 3000

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
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    Couple of weeks.
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    Approached the bottom of the Cadet this afternoon. Screwed onto the chine logs with brittle brass screws 4" apart. Sides as well. Just as well I'm glassing the joints. No cloth on her, just 2 coats grey undercoat and two coats of what I presume is 2 pot of some sort? 1961 build….?
    Bottom looks quite good actually, no obvious holes yet. But the ply is very brittle.

    Oh yes, and the plastic hatches, 4, 2 sizes, gone to powder mostly.

    Hit an underwater log in the Sabre a week ago, rounding a buoy on very shallow water. I asked if the water is that shallow can I park the boat and walk around it? And I spent all winter on the damn thing too. Two patches. Oh well, a respray next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    It looks worse in real life. There are two layers of ply. In many places the top layer was just soggy mush. In some places the bottom sheet has gone too leaving only the deckhead paint.


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    And all for the want of some glass the first time the ply was laid. What were they thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Carboline 3000

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    Thanks. Never heard of it. Might give it a try


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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    And all for the want of some glass the first time the ply was laid. What were they thinking?


    Dunno. It was the 70s.


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