Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: When and If

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Charleston, SC
    Posts
    273

    Default When and If

    I went to the Keys Easter week with a substantial cohort of many others. We stayed in the middle Keys but took a drive to Key West. Kind of crowded but had a great lunch on the water at a restaurant on the West side. A beautiful classic schooner was coming across and beating up the channel.
    20210404_153627.jpg
    I told my family that boat had to be a classic and have some history. They know I'm a boat-nut and so poked fun at me but my wife said "He could be right... It has happened before"
    20210404_153758.jpg
    It was quite breezy and the schooner tacked easily and glided through the beautiful waters.
    20210404_153813.jpg
    So when we got back to the hotel I searched up sailing charters in Key West and found the boat - The "When and If". Of course the next stop was Google to Wikipedia etc.
    Designed by John Alden and built in 1939 in Maine for (then) Colonel Patton. Double planked with mahogany. Looks great and has obviously been well cared for I think. The boat's name comes from his statement that he would sail her when and if he got back from Europe. I had no idea that he was such a sailor. The sad part of the story is that he didn't get back from Europe to sail the boat because of a fender bender in an Army jeep after the end of the war but while there acting as military governor.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    northwestern Wisconsin
    Posts
    9,589

    Default Re: When and If

    Is that the same "When And If" that was extensively rebuilt by Gannon & Benjamin on Martha's Vineyard? I suspect it is.

    Tom
    You don't have to be prepared as long as you're willing to suffer the consequences.

    www.tompamperin.com

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Seattle, W.A., U.S.A
    Posts
    206

    Default Re: When and If

    Yes, it is. She's a beauty and they sail her hard.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Haverhill, MA
    Posts
    3

    Default Re: When and If

    She's moored near me in Salem Harbor during the summer. Both her and the schooner "Fame" are out there every day in season. They're both beauties.
    Walter G
    Chadwick Pond Boats
    www.chadwickpondboats.com

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    38,922

    Default Re: When and If

    She was at the last Wooden Boat Show in Newport. I believe that was pre-BG work. Pretty boat!
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    northwestern Wisconsin
    Posts
    9,589

    Default Re: When and If

    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    She was at the last Wooden Boat Show in Newport. I believe that was pre-BG work. Pretty boat!
    I think "When And If" was actually one of Gannon & Benjamin's first rebuilds, back in the 80s? But they may have done more since.

    Tom
    You don't have to be prepared as long as you're willing to suffer the consequences.

    www.tompamperin.com

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    38,922

    Default Re: When and If

    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    I think "When And If" was actually one of Gannon & Benjamin's first rebuilds, back in the 80s? But they may have done more since.

    Tom
    Could've been. IIRC, the last show in Newport was maybe 2008 or so? I could be way off on that. I know she needed a decent amount of work then.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mountain lakes of Vermont
    Posts
    15,952

    Default Re: When and If

    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    I think "When And If" was actually one of Gannon & Benjamin's first rebuilds, back in the 80s? But they may have done more since.

    Tom
    The boat had been owned by a non-profit, but broke loose from it's mooring in a storm and when ashore resulting in lots of damage. Declared a total loss by the insurance company, G&B rebuilt the vessel and ended up owning it for a while.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    South Puget Sound/summer Eastern carib./winter
    Posts
    19,305

    Default Re: When and If

    Seth Salzmann is the Captain of Columbia.
    And owner of When and If.
    My wife just wrote an article about him for Classic Boat.
    Last edited by wizbang 13; 04-20-2021 at 07:55 AM.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    38,922

    Default Re: When and If

    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Seth Salzmann is the Captain of Columbia.
    And owner of When and If.
    My wife just wrote an article about him for Classic Boat.
    Completely OT, but do you guys know Dana Jinkins?
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    South Puget Sound/summer Eastern carib./winter
    Posts
    19,305

    Default Re: When and If

    Dana slept on my Seabird her first night in the Caribbean . 1975 ? Before coffee table books .
    (In the cockpit with her friend Karla,not with me ,sadly)
    She moved on quickly, Jens Jul, Kenny and Johnny Summers.
    I was too poor for most girls taste then.
    I met Ira Epstein about the same time, decades before Lone Fox.
    Peter Spronk..Phil Weld
    Frank Mundus...monsterman
    Dan Bowen

    Thinking on the people from those times... they ain't comin back.
    Last edited by wizbang 13; 04-20-2021 at 08:55 AM.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    38,922

    Default Re: When and If

    Dana & B'fer are good friends. They are now the proud owners of a 50's CC hardtop that I "rescued" & they then rebuilt.

    They don't have gobs of money by any stretch & live in a pretty cool place in VT.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Centerville Ma.
    Posts
    1,741

    Default Re: When and If

    There is a webcam for Key West harbor. If you look around sunset you can see her doing her sunset sail most evenings in winter months

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •