Antipodean Boats Connection

[Cruzdelsur]

Thanks Gerard. Great that you know a Frers, they are amazing and beautiful boats.
best wishes

Rios de la Plata. Exeter, Achilles, Ajax vs. Graf Spee?

Handsome boat you have there.

Did the Miami-Nassau leg of the SORC on a Frers 48 once...

[Cruzdelsur]

Thanks skuthorp! I don't know if there is actually some material about Campos in English. It's a shame but we don't find here too.

[Cruzdelsur]

Welcome Cruzdelsur, that is a lovely looking boat ! She would be around 7metres ? A handsome thing indeed !

Thanks Peter! It's a 25.5 footer.
best wishes

[skuthorp]

Anyone else catch the ABC programme Three Men Go To Sotland last night?. A seaplane, a Clyde Puffer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2h24SMIR0 a restored 1907 Fifer named Truant http://www.aandrwayboatbuilding.co.u...ht_restoration and lots of Whisky.

[Cruzdelsur]

Nice!

[Duncan Gibbs]

Yup! It was good wasn't it! They're on Mascotte in next week's episode.

[skuthorp]

We have, or had a forumite on Bressay, Rex Fearneyhough. He was out here a few years ago and I took him to Goolwa. But that's not the Western Isles. The games at Kilmore, in central Victoria are several towns, Kilmore, Broadford, Strath Creek, Clonbinane, all names from Mull and Uist I think. The story of migration writ on the map of a new country.

[PeterSibley]

Anyone else catch the ABC programme Three Men Go To Sotland last night?. A seaplane, a Clyde Puffer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2h24SMIR0 a restored 1907 Fifer named Truant http://www.aandrwayboatbuilding.co.u...ht_restoration and lots of Whisky.

Yep, Dunc ran me with a headup, I had to mute it though, those twits waffle too much.

[Duncan Gibbs]

You're such a grump Sibbo!

[Phil Y]

Sunny afternoon, about 14 but clear and cold tonight with frost warnings. 6C at 10 pm, supposed to be similar tomorrow so I might take the Mac out if there's some wind. Started repair/preservation on an old bible this evening, seemed a straight forward job till I started it. Older than I thought at first too, about 1810.

Are you a bit of an old books man? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of very old books, which are/were my mum's (she's in a nursing home) and I really don't know what to do with them. In due course they will be part of her estate and I guess we'll either give to an appropriate institution or sell them, but being pretty ignorant I don't know where to start, where to get advice or appraisal, and am afraid of being ripped off.

[PeterSibley]

We have, or had a forumite on Bressay, Rex Fearneyhough. He was out here a few years ago and I took him to Goolwa. But that's not the Western Isles. The games at Kilmore, in central Victoria are several towns, Kilmore, Broadford, Strath Creek, Clonbinane, all names from Mull and Uist I think. The story of migration writ on the map of a new country.

Northern NSW has the same influences... Dundee, Deepwater, Glen Innes, GlenApplin, Inverell, Armidale, Dubbo!!!,Stanthorpe, Tenterfield.

[PeterSibley]

Are you a bit of an old books man? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of very old books, which are/were my mum's (she's in a nursing home) and I really don't know what to do with them. In due course they will be part of her estate and I guess we'll either give to an appropriate institution or sell them, but being pretty ignorant I don't know where to start, where to get advice or appraisal, and am afraid of being ripped off.

Before Jeff arrives and gives you trustworthy and useful advice I'll offer mine ! I tend to use this site to buy books and it is a good way to compare the copy you have with others listed .http://www.abebooks.com/

[purri]

Dubbo is a mispronunciation of Thubbo (Wiradthurri).

[PeterSibley]

Dubbo is a mispronunciation of Thubbo (Wiradthurri).

I suspected as much but Google maps found a Dubbo in Scotland too ..... you mob get around !

[skuthorp]

Are you a bit of an old books man? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of very old books, which are/were my mum's (she's in a nursing home) and I really don't know what to do with them. In due course they will be part of her estate and I guess we'll either give to an appropriate institution or sell them, but being pretty ignorant I don't know where to start, where to get advice or appraisal, and am afraid of being ripped off.

Well, I'm a bookbinder, repairer, restorer and preserver. I can give advice on that if I have the book in my hand but not valuations. The most surprising books are valuable, and some of the oldest are not. I buy books to read because I'm interested, or for a binding or marbling example if I can afford them. Some of the best bindings are on religious tomes that no one wants any more. This bible is valuable only to the family that have owned it for at least 110 years. Before that it may well have sat in a binders or shop for decades awaiting a buyer. Thousands were produced.

[purri]

Not one of my mob but I do have some Wiradthuri there by marriage.

I suspected as much but Google maps found a Dubbo in Scotland too ..... you mob get around !

reverse backpacking?

[Larks]

Well, I'm a bookbinder, repairer, restorer and preserver. I can give advice on that if I have the book in my hand but not valuations. The most surprising books are valuable, and some of the oldest are not. I buy books to read because I'm interested, or for a binding or marbling example if I can afford them. Some of the best bindings are on religious tomes that no one wants any more. This bible is valuable only to the family that have owned it for at least 110 years. Before that it may well have sat in a binders or shop for decades awaiting a buyer. Thousands were produced.

Jeff, I'd be very interested to see a bit of a photo essay on how you go about the restoration on a couple if different projects if you have a mind to share them.

As an aside, with no comparison to what you are doing with your restorations, I'm about to try and repair a particularly valueless (dollar-wise) but incredibly well travelled paperback book that I initially found in a rather "mysterious" way (that befitted the nature of the book itself) and which I have a rather sentimental attachment to (from my twenties). It was returned to me a couple of weeks ago after a twenty year absence when the borrower found me on facestalk, she had in turn loaned it to countless friends over that time and had religiously made sure that it was returned to her, knowing the sentimental value that it had for me. But what has turned up in the mail, although complete, bares very little resemblance to what anyone might call a book.

[PeterSibley]

Are you a bit of an old books man? The reason I ask is that I have a couple of very old books, which are/were my mum's (she's in a nursing home) and I really don't know what to do with them. In due course they will be part of her estate and I guess we'll either give to an appropriate institution or sell them, but being pretty ignorant I don't know where to start, where to get advice or appraisal, and am afraid of being ripped off.

Here's my Mum's bible Phil, I'll end up giving it to the parish I think.

[Larks]

Here's my Mum's bible Phil, I'll end up giving it to the parish I think.

That may be something that your grandkids might regret someday Peter, whether they have any religious convictions or not, they may cherish the family history and heirloom value of it. I hear of so many things of what may have seemed of little value at the time being thrown away or given away when my grandmother died up at Mitta Mitta and I really regret that someone didn't hoard them for generations to come to look over and enjoy the sense of family history.

[Phil Y]

Jeez I thought I had nipped this malaria in the bud but now its come back and nipped me in the bum with a vengeance. Now on my 3rd course of drugs. (one is usually enough). We've swapped flavours and doses and now doing by needle. Feel like crap on a stick.

[Larks]

Sorry to hear it Phil, take its easy mate (not that you've got much choice)

[Duncan Gibbs]

That's a bummer Phil! Get well soon mate!

[PeterSibley]

That may be something that your grandkids might regret someday Peter, whether they have any religious convictions or not, they may cherish the family history and heirloom value of it. I hear of so many things of what may have seemed of little value at the time being thrown away or given away when my grandmother died up at Mitta Mitta and I really regret that someone didn't hoard them for generations to come to look over and enjoy the sense of family history.

My kids are adults now Greg, quite old enough to make there own decisions about such things . None are Christians, frankly I think that Bible would bring more pleasure and interest to a Christian family.

[PeterSibley]

Bugger ! Phil ,take care mate .... I really hope the drugs work this time.

[purri]

^Same from me!

[johnno]

Fingers crossed you knock it off this time Phil.

[RFNK]

Hmm, sorry about the malaria Phil! I was reading an article on the ABC News site only yesterday about the role high temperature (fever) seems to play in killing bugs, and that treatment aimed at lowering temperature, to ease the symptoms, can actually be detrimental. Of course there'd have to be a limit to that as, as we all know, very high temperatures can cause other problems, especially in children. But, the example given was the role that fever seems to play in killing malaria.

I'd be the last person to ever recommend any approach to a person with a serious illness (as I have no medical expertise at all) but maybe you'd be interested in looking that one up.

Hope you're on the mend soon!

Rick

[Phil Y]

Interesting Rick-certainly people talk of the fever "breaking"- high fever followed by recovery. I'm still clinging to the belief that the drugs will kill the bugs, and its OK to take panadeine to keep the fever down and manage the discomfort. Thats pretty much the universal approach to treatment as I understand it. Its a bad idea to research malaria on the net when you are home alone with it. Although I think most of the horror stories and mortality stats relate to untreated malaria-which is at a high rate on account of its prevalence in 3rd world countries.

[skuthorp]

You could send the paperback to me Greg and I'll make it into a hard cover book and send it back if you like.
Phil, I have repaired a couple of bibles exactly like that. It looks like there are no clasps on yours and the obvious leather damage is called 'red rot', a product of the interaction between the tanning process and gas lighting in binderies. The other usual damage is a detached front cover and/or broken page block and in the pic it looks like the cover is skew so it's one of these I guess. It looks like the spine and covers are still in one piece, is it just the whole cover has broken away? I don't know if I can talk you through a repair, sometimes you have to deconstruct to do the repair properly. Are there any family records written in it? A heavy bible like that is meant to be stored flat and opened on a lectern and much damage is often done the first time it is opened. I'll PM you my phone number later and when it's convenient we can talk about it.

[Chris.]

Dopey bastard warning.
For the fisher-folk out there: how not to fish. Or to handle explosives.

[RFNK]

Interesting Rick-certainly people talk of the fever "breaking"- high fever followed by recovery. I'm still clinging to the belief that the drugs will kill the bugs, and its OK to take panadeine to keep the fever down and manage the discomfort. Thats pretty much the universal approach to treatment as I understand it. Its a bad idea to research malaria on the net when you are home alone with it. Although I think most of the horror stories and mortality stats relate to untreated malaria-which is at a high rate on account of its prevalence in 3rd world countries.

Yep, I'd be going with the doctor's advice too.

Rick

[WX]

Long day followed by dinner at the local Vietnamese restaurant, a bottle of nice red and a Vietnamese coffee. Got home and opened the bottle of Talisker from my eldest daughter and Yankee son in law (top bloke)...it really is a fine drop.
Life is good.

[RFNK]

What do they call Vietnamese coffee?

Rick

[PeterSibley]

cà phê.

[skuthorp]

I prefer green tea in that circumstance.
Dead calm today, a mirror finish on the bay so no sailing, rowed instead - and I'm rusty. Moved three crab apple trees later and the ground is so wet in places you can squeeze water out of it with your hand.
Watching SBS on China, interesting considering their changing position in the world today. Seems that nothing much has changed underneath the industrial development re authoritarian govt and corruption, but I suppose the big difference is universal education.

[Duncan Gibbs]

Yes, but will they still build wooden boats in China?

[Larks]

You could send the paperback to me Greg and I'll make it into a hard cover book and send it back if you like.
.

That's a very generous offer Jeff and it'd certainly be a different outcome than what I was picturing coming out of an attack with a roll of sticky tape and half a metre of clear contact.

[Phil Y]

You could send the paperback to me Greg and I'll make it into a hard cover book and send it back if you like.
Phil, I have repaired a couple of bibles exactly like that. It looks like there are no clasps on yours and the obvious leather damage is called 'red rot', a product of the interaction between the tanning process and gas lighting in binderies. The other usual damage is a detached front cover and/or broken page block and in the pic it looks like the cover is skew so it's one of these I guess. It looks like the spine and covers are still in one piece, is it just the whole cover has broken away? I don't know if I can talk you through a repair, sometimes you have to deconstruct to do the repair properly. Are there any family records written in it? A heavy bible like that is meant to be stored flat and opened on a lectern and much damage is often done the first time it is opened. I'll PM you my phone number later and when it's convenient we can talk about it.

Jeff I think its Peter has the bible. The book (or two or 3-its a few years since I've looked) that I have are somewhat older than that I think. Mum and her husband were academics in classics and had a bit of a collection of old stuff. We have a couple of large clay vessels in almost perfect condition which I think are around 3000 years old, some glassware from around there too. I think these are really early books.

[skuthorp]

In that case Phil you might decide if you want them to be auctioned, maybe not in Aus. as they sound like museum quality items. Either way you need a proper appraisal from someone who knows what he's looking at. Talk to the Tassie museum maybe?

How are you feeling, a friend who spent some years in PNG in the 60's has chronic Malaria and it comes around like clockwork still. Take care.

[PeterSibley]

Yes, but will they still build wooden boats in China?

As long as they have camphor for planking , yes.

[PeterSibley]

In that case Phil you might decide if you want them to be auctioned, maybe not in Aus. as they sound like museum quality items. Either way you need a proper appraisal from someone who knows what he's looking at. Talk to the Tassie museum maybe?

How are you feeling, a friend who spent some years in PNG in the 60's has chronic Malaria and it comes around like clockwork still. Take care.

On a positive note, my dose wore out after 8 years or so .... not very positive I know . But at least you know what's wrong and hit it quickly .

[Phil Y]

As someone said, the gift that keeps on bloody giving.

[riverat]

Larks, I like your location-- for myself I spend my time between Waikikakau and Kikatinalong. ^ months in each when possible.
regards ray

[skuthorp]

Now now Ray, our US friends, and a few do stray down here occasionally, are confused enough as it is.

[Larks]

You'd know the yacht "Waikikamukau" then Ray......did a couple of Sydney Hobarts

[PeterSibley]

You'd know the yacht "Waikikamukau" then Ray......did a couple of Sydney Hobarts

There was a racehorse by that name too. Raised on a dairy farm.

[Chris.]

You'd know the yacht "Waikikamukau" then Ray......did a couple of Sydney Hobarts

I reckon you have that one wrong. Unless there was another Waikikmukau (which is possible, as I think it was originally a fictitious town in a NZ radio or TV program).
The Waikikamukau I remember was in the early 80s was one of two JOG yachts which were lost during an CYCA JOG offshore night race to Port Hacking. The boats were Waikikamukau and Montego Bay - both the usual quarter-ton rule dinghy-style centreboarders of the time. Can't remember the details, but of the four crew who drowned, two were still clipped on when the boats sank. Before quick release harnesses of course. Tragic, CYCA was very quiet that morning. They were a fun crew, before boats with heaps of electronics they had wind dirction indicators on the shrouds (tied on ribbon), port was named Brooks, starboard named Gatehouse. Probably not the only boat of that era to have that convention, but was the first I had heard it.

[RFNK]

Tragic indeed - I'd heard of a boat with that name too but knew nothing about this loss of life.

Maybe I'm just having a thick day (or life) but I don't get the Brooks/Gatehouse convention. What's that about?

Rick

[Chris.]

Maybe I'm just having a thick day (or life) but I don't get the Brooks/Gatehouse convention. What's that about?

Rick

They have gone all modern now and just known as B&G - Brookes and Gatehouse. The wind instrument providers of the time. An in0joke for budget-constrained sailors.

[John B]

Now now Ray, our US friends, and a few do stray down here occasionally, are confused enough as it is.

They do have their Figawi race , as where the, so I suspect they might pick up on the moo cow references.

Thats funny about the B and G Chris.