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    Like the UK Pembleton? A Citroen 2CV front end and your choice of a BMW or Moto Guzzi engine . Love 'em but i can't have one in Oz . Are you 'Mericans allowed to have one on the road ?






    I really like them, I'd be tempted to give up bikes if they were legal here !

    http://www.pembleton.co.uk/PMC.html

    http://www.pembleton.co.uk/BuildPics.html
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    That's very steampunk, I like it. How come they're not legal here Peter?
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    ADR regs I think ...Ian might advise if he drops by .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Are you 'Mericans allowed to have one on the road ?
    Of course. Land of the Free. . .

    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Bikes are easier than cars here... and I think a 3 wheel Moggie replica might classify as a bike... perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    and I think a 3 wheel Moggie replica might classify as a bike... perhaps?
    They do here as well.
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    I do have a large V twin engine sitting around here...
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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Bikes are easier than cars here... and I think a 3 wheel Moggie replica might classify as a bike... perhaps?
    Pembletons come as 3 wheelers too !
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    Different states have different laws but typically kit cars can get licensed as replicas or special interest cars. There are a fair number of replica Morgans, Lotus 7s. Model A's, Cobra's. etc; even homebuilt cars like the Locost can be usually be registered without too much trouble.

    Some states distinguish the difference between a bike and a car by the controls--handlebars and maybe hand throttle, brake, etc, it's a bike. A steering wheel with foot controls is often considered a car, but the lines a not set in stone--again it varies by state. A lot of parking enforcement cops use three wheelers with foot controls and steering wheels and they're sometimes licensed as scooters/bikes.

    I sold a Guzzi Eldorado to a gentleman from California who was building a Moggie replica a couple of years ago. I kinda had mixed feelings--a favorite bike being parted out--but I thought this was a good cause.

    Anyone ever built a Moggie with a Harley D v-twin? I would suppose a transmission could be an issue, but not a big one. A Mog with an attitude...
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    I actually think the Pembleton is better than Moggy (much as I love them..... I have a friend with a JAP engined one ) but the 2CV front wheel drive would beat axle hop any day .
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    I understand there are allowances for kit cars and limited production imports here provided it can pass engineering certification (AC Cobra repros etc).

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    Yeah, a friend is building a Cobra replica atm. The spare V twin I mentioned is a Harley.... but I have too many other projects to finish first
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    Ian ...you'd never fit !
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    One day I'd like to have one of these....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I actually think the Pembleton is better than Moggy (much as I love them.....
    It certainly is a beautiful car. Are 2CVs more available down under than they are here in the States? In the 70's we could find them fairly cheap--couple hundred bucks-- but they're pretty collectible now. Decent ones go for $3500USD and up.

    Re Ian and a Pembleton, if he's as big as he appears in the pics on his Asia tour thread, he'd look like a kid in a kiddie car. He could always turn it into a monoposto
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    Quote Originally Posted by leikec View Post


    One day I'd like to have one of these....

    Jeff C

    Jeff, the Puma was a neat car. Economy of a vw with the handling and looks of a sports car. The Brazilians had it right, I think.

    I managed a firm that looked into becoming a dealer for them in the early 80s. They tend to come up with regularity on thesamba.com In fact I'm thinking that one listed for sale there now was one of ours.
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    No, they're pretty rare and much loved by collectors .I wonder if the needed components could be imported from France ?
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    Deaux Cheveaux are indeed rare here (and gutless in the extreme). The R4 and variants were far more capable.

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    If you take the body off a 2CV - you get a nice light front wheel drive rolling chassis. with four wheels...



    If you lop off the unstressed bit at the back, turn the two rear suspension arms over - the two rear wheels sit side by side - with just enough gap to change the wheel - but you'll need a ring spanner. - Weighs two percent of buggerall.
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    Not a kit but we had a 1951 Citroen as our family car, I loved it.


    Talk about style, this car had it by the bucket load.
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    Very nice !
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    Last edited by PeterSibley; 02-14-2018 at 05:51 AM.
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    What are the rules for a volkswagon pan and motor kit cars in OZ?

    I have always fancied modifying an existing car into a fun retro sports car... some welding, fiberglass and epoxy could drop a cars weight, improve handing and grant a cool factor to a car that would legally be registered without special review. here in the states... A car that fall under limited smog regulations would face little resistance.
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    That would be a question for BF ...I've never owned a beetle .
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    Yeah... there were heaps of them here. The first restriction came on the shortened pans... some are still around, but trying to get a new shortened one through would be hard.

    Its still relatively easy to do some things. The rules are on the NSW RTA website. Engine swaps are easy - given some rules that relate weight to capacity and whether or not forced induction. A friend is currently fitting a V12 into an E34 BMW body... something BMW never did.

    They've tried to restrict things a bit, but where there's a will, there's a way. I've had discussions with several politicians on the issue btw... we keep working at it.
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    Peter...

    Does this fall in line with your higher mileage motorcycle concept with a transference... I have thought a Morgan was a motorcycle..
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    It does beg the question of what is the difference between a very slammed Japanese drifter, a heavily modified BMW or a revisited car enhanced with a kit in the eyes of authorities. That in mind...keeping the serial carriage and engine block numbers the same does have it's advantages.

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    There really is a lot more freedom given to bikes. The main thing they seem to worry about is handlebars... a reaction to the old ape hanger craze
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Not really Ted , pretty terrible drag coefficient and a fair bit of frontal area BUT ! it looks brilliant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    Peter...

    Does this fall in line with your higher mileage motorcycle concept with a transference... I have thought a Morgan was a motorcycle..
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    There really is a lot more freedom given to bikes. The main thing they seem to worry about is handlebars... a reaction to the old ape hanger craze
    But don't cut the frame ... unless it's before about 1970 .
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    There used to be a really diverse range of kit cars available here.Since the adoption of front wheel drive by all but Mercedes and BMW,the range has reduced a lot.Several variations of the Lotus/Caterham seven available,but not too much else demonstrating original thinking.I used to run one of these as a means of escaping the monotony of production cars;it was originally introduced at about the same time as another landmark car that had a transverse mid engine,but more people remember the Miura.

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    You realize that this is Peter Stevenson of Stevenson Weekender boat fame? He started this a few years ago in California but I've read somewhere that he has since moved to Texas.

    Cute, huh?
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    BIL's car from 2007.





    I saw a video of it running the other day but its still not on the road.

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