[ 11-27-2004, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: RonW ]
Saint Pierre Dory
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What would be wrong with a traditional dory bottom and a cross planked outer (false-replaceable) bottom, also according to Gardner in The Dory Book?
Huh?
Wayne
In the Swamp.Wayne
Somewhere in Texas
Originally posted by YeadonThe Straight of Georgia looks big.
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/venchka/Comment
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Correct me, but dory bottoms are not, traditionally, cross planked. Maybe a nailed on guard? And I'm sorry but Garder got the sheer in his St. Pierre Dories wrong. No one would build that much sheer into a boat, unless they were on a Western River somewhere. Doesn't it look extreme to anyone else's eye? The facsimlie of the plans shown in his book doesn't look that extreme.Comment
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To quote from one of my favorite books:
The St. Pierre hull is easy and economical to plank, as the strakes line out quite straight for the greater part. The side flare combines with the rocker and the sheer curve to give plank lines with very easy sweeps; some planks are practically straight.
Form follows medium?
--LeeComment
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The sheers are dead on. Ive seen boats similar in Italy, the bow is perfect. And no, traditional dories don't have cross planked bottoms. The sides also need to be fish-tailed to get the sheer right. How else would you accomidate that extreme taper?Comment
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Nice pics Michael.
I made my comment about sheer to add a little spice , though I do think Gardner's boats are drawn to the extreme end of what is a variable in the traditional boats. My eye is happier, and I think the resulting boat probably as good, somewhere in the middle. I could well be wrong, but just on the factor of the extra windage give me a little lower bow and stern. The schooner-carried Bank Dory, also renowned for its seaworthiness, and which these boats basically are, never developed extreme sheer. Maybe because it would have made them more difficult to stack?
It would be an interesting exercise to overlay drawings and compare Gardner's boats to a range of sheers seen in Newfoundland. The pics posted here show a not inconsiderable amount of variation.
How many of the traditional boats even exist anymore? Isn't that fishery pretty much extinct?
Interesting thread, interesting boats. About the most sea-boat for the money ever made. Still.Comment
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This boat looks right to me.
This one doesn't.
I'm trying to decide if there is a big difference, or if it is a matter of other visual cues, or perspective. Nope, the first boat looks right. But it's just in the eye of one beholder.
[ 11-28-2004, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Jack Heinlen ]Comment
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Interesting pictures, Wilson.
The strips of canvas along the gunnels I take to be for temporary bulwarks raised when more freeboard is desired? I think Gardner mentions their use, though I can't find the reference just now.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wilson Fitt:
[QB]Here are some dory pics I took in St. Pierre in July 2004:
What are they using for engines in the dories at St. Pierre nowadays?
JohnComment
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Alot of them are still using make and break one lunger engines. The slow rpm and high torque alow for steady speeds and durability. While other saint pierres are using small diesels and still other took advantage of the outboard well.Comment
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