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    Another orphan wandered into my shop yesterday (a friend is reorganizing his life, and deorganizing mine ). It's an old no-name drill press...very bare bones, but the quill is true.



    It came with this:



    It's kind of the ancestor of the Wagner Safe-T-Plane, only...it ain't safe.



    I looked it up on the internet, and found a lot of ads in 1940s issues of Popular Mechanics:


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    that's plumb scary!
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    Whew... that thing looks like an accident waiting to happen.

    Can't see how it could possibly work well, considering the relatively slow speeds of a drill press... even if you didn't end up with the workpiece impaled into your chest
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    I'm looking forward to trying it.

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    I guess this was prior to American Product Liability Laws.
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    I'm wary of ANY drill press attachment that puts lateral stress on the quill... they're not designed for it, obviously.

    Yeah, I know.... we've all probably done it, from time to time.... but the few times I have, I've been VERY cautious.
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    if you get hurt using it your insurance won't cover treatment, stupidity is a pre-existing condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Taylor View Post
    I'm looking forward to trying it.
    at least once
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Don't wear a tie.

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    Kind of an early version of the Safe-T-Planer available today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    at least once
    Well, that was interesting.

    I notice the blades are still factory-sharp, after fifty-plus years, with no signs of having been retouched. There's a reason for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J P View Post
    Kind of an early version of the Safe-T-Planer available today.
    Yeah, I mentioned the Wagner in my first post. Quite a few luthiers use them to size small parts. I'd hate to think what would happen to a nice set of curly-maple mandolin sides under the jaws of the Barron Multi-Purpose Wood Planer(TM).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Taylor View Post
    Another orphan wandered into my shop yesterday (a friend is reorganizing his life, and deorganizing mine ). It's an old no-name drill press...very bare bones, but the quill is true.



    ...
    That looks vaguely Atlas.

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    from the looks of when this was made there were lots of machine tool makers

    is there a casting or mold date on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    is there a casting or mold date on it?
    Not that I can see. The motor is pretty generic (Hoover, patent 1937).

    The amazing thing about that scary "wood planer" is the price. Evidently, they sold these things by mail, between 1940 and 1952. But in 1940, $7.50 was worth about....



    The price is the same in the ads from 1950...the modern equivalent from that date would be about $70!

    The friend who gave it to me just called (presumably to find out if I still have two hands). He says the guy he got it from was in his seventies, and had inherited the tool from his dad, who never used it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    That looks vaguely Atlas.
    It does, kind of. No sign of a nameplate, though.

    A 40s vintage Atlas:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Taylor View Post
    It does, kind of. No sign of a nameplate, though.

    A 40s vintage Atlas:

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    Purty close family resemblance, anyway..

    I'd think it may be earlier or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I'd think it may be earlier or later.
    probably a safe bet
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    anything on it with the words "war production board"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    probably a safe bet


    Actually, I have two of these, one with a four-spoke feed, the other as pictured in the OP.

    It's been some time since I was hunting parts, but the one as pictured was older, if I recall correctly.

    The thing that's bugging me about this is that both mine have a grease-cup quill lubricator just above the top of the stop-rod, and that is missing from the pic in the OP. This omission is what opens the question. Does the press in the OP have 'permanently' lubricated quill bearings?

    If so, I would think it likely that it's from a later date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    anything on it with the words "war production board"?
    That's another possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    anything on it with the words "war production board"?
    Not yet. I lifted the upper spindle assembly, which has a bronze bushing at the bottom. The casting reads: Congress Tool & Die, Detroit...no date.

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    up till the 30's there were lots of small machine makers that no longer exist

    seems they made model trains too
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    I have a Barron Rotary Planer that came with a radial arm saw and Shopsmith I got from my father-in-law. It's in the original box with original literature, which is not dated. In addition to planing, it is supposed to work for rasing panels, rabbeting, routing, and tenoning. They said there were 150,000 rotary planers in use.

    One of the Barron brochures claims this gadget has "safety features that enable a child to operate it with complete ease and freedom from harm." They also claimed that the planer was "inherently balanced" and would not put "excessive side thrust strain" on the drill press spindle. The instructions say to set up a fence on the drill press table and push the workpiece against the fence, but "after you have become more experienced the fence can be dispensed with."

    I guess the safety standards were different in those days!! I have used this planer once on small stock and still have all my fingers. It did a pretty good job, but I don't think I will try it again.

    I will scan the brochure and post pictures in a day or two, but I'm working on another project right now.
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    Thanks for posting that, U_Canoe2.

    I still have all my fingers, too, but I have an eerie feeling that this thing wants them.

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    Ah... them's were the days when only real he-men were woodworkers. Once Norm started dumbing it down for sissies, it all went to hell in a handbasket. It's gotten so bad they're now pushing a law in Congress to outlaw table saws without fancy safety do-dads on them that prevent cutting hot dogs (and wet wood)!

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    I have the safety planer version that chucks onto the outer shaft of my radial arm saw. I've rarely used it, but it worked ok when the wood is stationary and the tool is moving over it. I can't imagine the drill press would get spinning fast enough to cut effectively.

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    "...ANY drill press attachment that puts lateral stress on the quill... they're not designed for it, obviously."
    Not true.
    In this PDF, The Drill Press, by Walker Turner, from 1934, there are whole sections that discuss in detail how to use the drill press for machining, tenoning, and shaping, as well as sanding and polishing. There is some discussion of modifying the motor for increasing or decreasing spindle speeds, and nowhere is the advice to not put lateral stress on the quill.
    If fact this is a geat resource for getting the most out of a drill press. Of course using a Walker Turner drill press from the 1930s is likelier to give acceptable results as compared to ,say, a Harbor Freight DP.

    "Now, the drill press may be used for boring, surface grinding, milling, sanding, shaping, routing, carving, mortising, tenoning, dovetailing, die sinking, as an arbor press and for several other purposes. ...The drill press is made to withstand the abuse and hard use that it will receive through this variety of applications."
    http://www.evenfallstudios.com/woodw...rill_press.pdf

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    if you look at the difference in drill press and milling machine quills you will see a marked difference in mass

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    I disassembled it & to do a quick cleaning & lube...looked at every part, but there wasn't a scrap of information anywhere on it (except the top pulley assembly, as I mentioned).



    Anyway, it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
    if you get hurt using it your insurance won't cover treatment, stupidity is a pre-existing condition
    He's Canadian. Universality even covers idiocy.

    Here I opened the thread thinking Bruce was getting all poetically anthropomorphic about old tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    He's Canadian. Universality even covers idiocy.

    Here I opened the thread thinking Bruce was getting all poetically anthropomorphic about old tools.
    Personally, I don't anthropomorphize my tools.

    They hate it when I do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Personally, I don't anthropomorphize my tools.

    They hate it when I do that.
    Curiouser and curiouser.
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    That was the signature from one of the posters to the Old Tools list many, many moons ago.


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