Gartside 116A

[JoshuaIII]

JoshuaIII as Peacefuljourney (This account is closed)

[JoshuaIII]

This one is playing a bit with the camera to get the whole boat, it didn't worked perfectly but it give a interesting shot.

[Dave Lesser]

Absolutely Gorgeous!

[J.Madison]

Looking very good! Keep them coming.

[Lucky Luke]

Welcome back, Stephane!

Very artistic pictures on gorgeous work! Keep posting!

Luc

[Duncan Gibbs]

Indeed! Great to see you back Stephane!

Looks like you're about ready to line off... Unless you're strip planking?

[Canoe]

It`s a great relief to see you back and making good progress!

When`s the launch date?

Alan

[P.L.Lenihan]

Stéphane,

Trés bien de voir que le project ce poursuivre à une bonne vitesse. Les photo,même si ils sont "artistique" demure excellent!!!


Cheers!


Peter

[SMARTINSEN]

I had enjoyed Peaceful Journey, and look forward to more from JoshuaIII.

Thank you and welcome back.

[Thad]

Excellent!

[JoshuaIII]

Thanks to all of you.
Actually the artistic part it's because there is not a lot of windows in this temporary building, so I am using a big spot for working. Which for sure give some nice shot!

Duncan: She is 1" carvel planked. The mill have made a mistake on a custom order so I had a great deal on planking stock. 600 bf of 5/4 quarter sawn BC Fir, 16ft long by 8" wide coming in about 3 weeks. I wanted to do the planking next winter, but as lead price doubled and got this deal we decided to start planking sooner.

Canoe: The boat need to be launch next summer, the city permit for the boatbuilding shed will expire and neibors complained, so no renewal. The shed block the sea view of 2 neibors.. I am actually working 12h/day 7 days a week on it.

I am now building the floors. It came out cheaper to laminate them. I had only 6/4 quarter sawn white oak on hand and lot's of left over from the frames, so those away from the ballast are made with them laminated with resorcinol. I will be building the one above the ballast in BC Fir (As recommended by the designer) as they have big curve in them. The BC Fir is the left over from the backbone.

Will try to post more pictures today...

[JoshuaIII]

Each floors are tested with the left over cut after cutting to shape.
We did a video this morning, this is White Oak glued with Resorcinol the join are horizontal in this video so it the glue taking the full blow of the hammer. Not even a single check show up after this test.

Here my step for gluing those, as I've taken extra care as the bilge and white oak will challenge the adhesive.
1)Cut strip 2 3/8" wide in big quantity and leave them in the garage 2 weeks before starting gluing floors. The garage is at 40% humidity so it dry a bit more the wood before gluing
2)Planing the wood top/bottom
3)Sanding the wood with 60grits sand paper
4)Removing all dust and applying the glue
5)Lightly (Barely) clamping the part together for 20 minutes, leaving the glue enter the dense white oak.
6)Clamping really tight the pieces, covering with a plastic/heating blanket & a sleeping bag overnight.
7)Leaving the piece inside the garage to stay warm for 6 days, which is the time for the glue to be fully mature

Only one floors failed my test, and it's was the first one when I skip step 5 to try it out. White oak seems too dense to clamp right away.



This was before my morning coffee, so don't laught too much at me

[JoshuaIII]

Here the floors bolted. The bilge gonna be painted so I do not care much about the look for now.
The red is red lead painted everywhere before fitting pieces together, the green is poison that I pour down the hole before putting a bolt in.

Bolts are 3/8" Silicon bronze for frames/floors and 1/2" floors/backbone, the fits are perfect even a cigarette paper won't pass anywhere. 3 floors bolted, 2 more will be tomorrow (Red lead drying).

The big laminated floor is not bolted yet, the mast step will be notched on it with 2 others. All floors above the ballast will be like this one.

Our shipmate stove in the corner to heat up some drink when working









Oh yeah.. The limber hole are higher then the backbone on some of the floors. This side of the curve will be filled with tar, the other side is ok. The reason was the bolt going to the backbone is right in the middle and the framing space was too tied at the backbone level.

[headonz]

Great to see an update Peaceful ,the boat is looking good.I wish i was doing it.

I look forward to the planking and better lighting , or I should say more lighting

[Breakaway]

Cool. cool, Tres Cool.

Kevin

[JoshuaIII]

[JoshuaIII]

We've been hunting down old boat to salvage the lead since we are here and begin to see a similarity in them which I think it's worth talking.

-They use softwood for frames, about 1" thick by 5" wide let into the backbone with several fastening.
-It's carvel planked 1.5" with softwood also, nailed with gal. nails which is bent inside.
-There is no floors at all in those boats! A pieces of wood from side to side often, but not bolted to the backbone!
-The hanging knee are just a single piece of wood 45 degrees from the deck beam to the hull.
-Sand and rock for ballast, with about 2 or 3" of concrete on top of it.

It look all made with local cedar, this one been there it's been quite a while and almost no rot inside and the planking is quite tied considering how long it's been there. This one had some external lead (Even with the sand/rock inside) which we can probably salvage!

Here the pictures of one we have been today which was probably really nice looking in is former glory.

[Duncan S]

Welcome back, we missed you. good to see progress

[JoshuaIII]

6 floors bolted final, 5 left before doing those laminated for the ballast.
Bolting getting hard, framing spacing is 12" minus the 2" of the frames, and the 2" of the floor, it let you 8 inches...

8 inches to drill a 4" long hole and squeeze your drill into that. In that whole thing of boat building the hardest it's that simple step, drilling holes. It's always the same, using guides drilling your hole and holding your breath, when the drill bit is doing his work you have that moment of silent to see where that thing gonna get out. Most of the time you are really close to where you wanted it, but after a few hundreds times there is always a time where you are thinking something else or the drill bit wanted to play it anarchy rules...

[JoshuaIII]

Salvage a bit more lead on the trash boat above. 600 pounds taken, we have now 3390 pounds ready the keel is 4500 and would like to have 5000 for the pour.



As lead price is really high right now (1$ a pound), we gonna start the planking and install the ballast later on with the floors above it. All floors not above the ballast are pretty much done, planking stock should arrive next week.

[A.Greever]

So that boat only had 600 lbs of lead, or is that all you could get at?

[JoshuaIII]

The boat was filled with sand, rock and concrete inside for ballast, only 600 pounds external lead... Doesn't seem much to me either...

We got the story of the boat from a neighbor, A swiss came here and build the boat to a city 150 miles from here. He splash it, run aground here put it on the hard and that's it. He's back in his country and the boat is sitting there since 5 years now.

[JoshuaIII]

Yes, this is a f* waste of time...
Yes you got it, the other part of this drill bit is far inside the hole, this happen when doing it with a hand drill!

[JoshuaIII]

Ok finally able to move it out. After 5 hours of trying to drill in it so I can tap it and screw a small bolt into it, I ended up dig around it with my router until I can take a grab with my plier. Got some repair to do tomorrow now!

The good part, is the digging was smaller then the floor going on top of it. So the repair should be covered and squeezed under the floor.

[JoshuaIII]

Here the repair, which will be planed flush later once glue apply and dry.
It will be fully hided and pushed down by the floor on top of it, this repair go about 1" down.

I am not a fan of Epoxy, in fact I use resorcinol everywhere. But in this case it's a place where I use it, as the extra dry stock I use in will swell, as the deadwood and the floor on top of it too. So this piece will be jammed tied there by nature, epoxy will glue it and the small gap that I may not see be filled and help everything down. So glue failure can't happen as epoxy here is not really use as a glue in itself. It's too cold there to use resorcinol anyway.

[JoshuaIII]

I love hand tools and love watching pictures of other people tools.. So I thought well I will do one of mine.
Those are my everyday hand tools, that I use pretty much every single day and get a routine sharpening every week.

Sharpen meaning, cut easily into the end grain of white oak by pushing lightly with my hand.
The hand brace is new, the old one give up last week.

[chuckt]

Oh man--awesome stuff! I will be following with great interest.

Who shot the video? She has a lovely voice.

[trango]

Great work - great design and beautiful tools! #116 unfortunately do not fit my garage but I'm starting #106 within a few weeks. Looking forward to more picts!

/Fredrik

[JoshuaIII]

Chuckt: Thanks, she is actually a major sponsor of the building and my wife It's funny as she always find her voice annoying on video, but I think this is women nature. Same as weight, they weight 70 pounds and still find they are fat. As the opposite of guy that weight 250 can't barely see himself entirely in the mirror and may for a second or 2 wondering that maybe he his just a little bit over weight.

Trango: Thanks look forward to hear about your building. 116 didn't in our garage either we had to build a extension! Even then we still always look like having a problem of space. I am still wondering were I will stock the 600bf of 16' planking stock arriving next week....

[A.Greever]

Will you have to steam the planks to fit them?

[JoshuaIII]

I hope not!
As I will start from the garboard and up (No shutter), I will see how the plank take the twist as it goes, hopefully no steaming.

[Capt Zatarra]

Thought I would pop in to see how your doing on your boat. I love your tool set it is a lot like mine only yours look newer and shiny. When we moved aboard 8 years ago I transferred all my tools from my shop to the boat, many of them I sewed up cloth bags and then soaked the bags in oil to protect them from the salt air, it didn't work on the planes but I used a cheap prayer rug for the lath tool and it worked great! Any way lots of work to try to get them all cleaned up. And then last month I broke my favorite carving mallet in half, I made that mallet 22 years ago! I was so bummed out I could not work the rest of the day. I felt like I had lost an old and trusted friend. Now I have to make a new one, this time I think I will use cocobolo. Capt. Zatarra

[JoshuaIII]

Hey Capt,
nice to see you around and I loved the picture on your thread.

Thanks for the comment, the best way I have found for my tools onboard is once all the edge sharpened well, I melt some wax in a pot and dip the tip of the blade and chisel into it. This way the edge stay sharp and rust free, easy to remove the wax when needed. I use boiled linseed oil for the rest of the tools, but it's true that rust still get is way into it. I usually get then all out quite often to clean them out, lot's of work. I tend to try next time to put the cast iron body of the plane into the oven and when hot apply the oil, just like you do with cast iron pan. It should open up the cast iron to let the oil go deep inside it.

Work is doing well here, doing the floors aft now which is a bit more work as I do blind bolt. Planking stock arriving Monday, looking forward to do the planking will seem a big step to get out of here and sail elsewhere!

Sorry to ear about your mallet... It's like my axes or hammers, I changed so many time the handle that I don't even know if we can say it is the same. I was impress that you cut the deck beam with hand saw, I am guessing your skill to work with hand tool increased a lot!

[Capt Zatarra]

Ahoy JIII I'm going to remember that wax dipping trick! That's a great idea. I have a large cast iron Dutch Oven that once a year I put all my ballaying pins in it, cover them in boiled linseed oil then heat it up and let them soak for about 4 hours, I had not thought about this for my tools, but I bet if I were to mix penetrating oil with lanolin and about 2% beeswax this could be heated and the tools soaked long enough to heat the body of the plane till it is about 130 degrees F* this would allow the surface moisture to be driven off and sealed with the wax. A little buffing with a clean cloth when you are ready to use the tool and it should be good to go. The mallet that I broke was a one piece turned on a lath type of tool, I just got a piece of Nambar it is really beautiful, I'm going to turn down a new mallet, when it's done I'll send you a picture. Capt. Z

[JoshuaIII]

Working on the aesthetic of the dingy today and some tune up of the rig. It's getting better, we hope to get it out this weekend as the weather begin to be a lot nicer. Actually with the wind it's a bit above 30F (0C) now.. The wind is still really cold around here.. A well another year and it's heading south yoohoo! (Or north... Who really know!?).

I got a few boats to fix tomorrow... Seems like the word is spreading about the building and there is not much guy repairing boat's around. All good, it pay for the planking wood coming... Looking forward to receive it!

I attach a picture of the dingy of last year, same dingy but we just didn't finished the aesthetic last year. We were eager to put it in the water and just have a sail.

[boattruck]

Peaceful, Good to see shots of your progress, loved seeing the 'boneyard' boats, and to see some of their bits getting used again...Keep us posted, BT

[JoshuaIII]

Hey Capt. Z.
Good idea about the mix for the cast iron, will try this mix for sure! Maybe we will end up with descent tools on board

Mallet on a lath, I didn't know that fancy side of you Sure would love picture of it!

[JoshuaIII]

Received planking stock! 6/4 qtr sawn BC Fir, 8" wide. Most of them are between 16 ft to 20 ft long.





Yes I was in my Pyjama! He arrive at 7h30 right in the morning coffee!

[JoshuaIII]

Line out done, shaping the rabbet to receive the garboard.... Damn hard on my back... Would be easier lifting the boat 4 ft higher!

[JoshuaIII]

As my board are not wide enough, I am working on a stealer...
The old grown BC Fir is a pleasure to work with, such nice wood and fun to work specially that I've been working with white oak for months!

[headonz]

What are your planking dimensions ?

[JoshuaIII]

1" Final thickness, except for the sheer that is 1.25"

Stealer will get the final fit tomorrow.. They opened the old wooden shipyard today for visiting, it was a major port for cod fishing here before and lot's of wooden boat built. In the 1960/70 commercial fishing boat came here and dragged the bottom, with the cod... No more fishing, no more boat building...

But it was sure nice to have a tour of the old place, 4 clinkers boat are left there unfinished with home made nails made the building next to it.

[headonz]

I wondered if you would be able to get 2 plank thicknesses from the 2"x8" boards by running a 4x2 through the band saw to minimize waste.Will you have to plane down to your plank thickness from the 8x2 or take a veneer off first ??

[JoshuaIII]

Actually it's 6/4 board, so 1.5" rough saw. After planning it end up at around 1.25" minus the scrubbing I am really close to the final thickness. But I will try to have 2 planks by board as my planking will be around 3.75" wide doing so to minimize waste.

Canada post is on strike... Waiting for bronze nuts to finish fastening the last floors, and the bronze screws to screw down the stealer...Grrrr Bad Timing!

[headonz]

oh I see ,that will be minimal waste then, I look forward to seeing you planking up.Must be exciting times for you when you will be able to see your boat finally taking shape.

[JoshuaIII]

Last checking for fit of the stealer. As you may noticed I only fair enough rabbet for the planking I am doing, it's less boring this way... Canada post still in lock out with my package to fasten those, and the nuts to finish fastening the floors... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Yeah there is red lead paint everywhere... the bildge gonna be painted so I do not really care of the look of it for now...

This stealer is 7.75" at is widest point, I only got 8" wide planking stock...

[John How]

Very exciting, gonna put some boards on!!! Hope your screws get there quick!

[JoshuaIII]

I am freaking out... It's been 5 weeks I am waiting for this package, 3 weeks because of backorder and 2 weeks stuck into that Canada post thing... I have done all side project possible, I am just turning around in the shop waiting for that.... Floors, reinforcement, rivets, screws etc... All in the same order stuck, which I waited to do one big order to save custom + shipping...

What a waste of my time this is, I am glad I paid more to have it express to start sooner! Government say a law may be pass to stop it by Thursday... Another f%$#%$# week wasted... I just have enough of waiting and turning around...

[Capt Zatarra]

Things to do while waiting .....make blocks for rigging .....turn balaying pins.....build the mold for casting the ballast....twiddle thumbs.....look at pictures of other boats on the Internet to get ideas for your boat.....twiddle thumbs..... Hang out on forum...... Work on dingy..... GO SAILING......cheers Capt. Z

[JoshuaIII]

Thanks Capt...
The problem is we have a temporary permit for the garage extension and it need to go away by summer next year as we can't renew it... And the boat is in it... So we are kind of in a rush to finish deck + planking ... Wouldn't not mind if it was for interior or the spar but anyhow.. Nothing can really do...

A guy just walk in this morning as he is cutting up is old 60ft motor yacht as the steel hull it rusted and too expensive to keep now, need help to remove everything as he is selling the steel to the scrap yard.. Lot's of mahogany and bronze hardware (And porthole) in it... I think it will end up a nice trade