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    Hay Stephane, how's fatherhood treating you?

    So far (knock on wood, scratch a stay, turning, turning, turning, "may the lords and saints preserve us") we are getting it done without the extra step of steaming. Part of our success may be due to leaving the clamps on the plank ends after it is fastened for about three days. Giving the wood a little time to learn their shape before putting all the load on the fastners. The plank ends in the rabbit keep their clamp for a week. It is a little something I learned down here. I suspect that we will need to start steaming as we get closer to the bildge where there is much more twist and bend. Capt. Z.
    Not bad thanks, he did sleep a entire 6 hours yesterday night it felt like I woke up after 2 weeks on vacation After some intensive work it's around every 3 hours usually.

    It's a interesting idea about the clamps worth to know. For me I kind of like steaming now, once the set up is done it's really not long. I start the steamer when doing the bevel of the plank (Last thing I do on the planks), once done the steamer is ready so I throw the plank in. During that time I gather all the clamps, prepare the surface, clean a bit and 45 minutes later I put the plank in. It's a lot faster and easier with a plank steamed, I broke about 15 clamps when I was doing it without steaming and those are heavy 4" clamps. The steel rod kind of eat the cast iron body over time with lot's of pressure (Even with grease), and the cast iron body twist out of shape over time too...

    Anyway that's me, keep me updated on your Nicaragan way would be interetesting to know!
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    Another day in the boatyard over and I thought I would see what is happening on the WBF (well actually, I just wanted to see if anyone said anything on my thread.....ssiighhhh, nothing....bummer). So I spent the morning measuring where the main mast will go, and where it will go up through the deck, it sits at a 15* degree angle relative to the waterline. Which makes it 7* degree angle on the mast step. Then I figured out where it exits the deck and where the deck beams would be relative to the the mast. The original deck beams 2x3 and were 12 inches on center and had a plywood sub deck with a teak overlay. The new deck beams are 3x3, (and absolutely no plywood near this deck, much less this schooner.) when I laid out the new ones at 12 inch on center they only had eight inches of space in-between them, and this looked very crowded. I looked up Nevins's scantling rules, it specified 12.5 inches of space between beams so I tried 12 inches and looked much better. It will also facilitate deck prisms much better this way. Then I got three more deck beams fitted this afternoon. They are only cut to fit athwart ship, the trimming of the bedding will be done after they are all in place past the foremast so that I am comfortable with the spacing in relation to the mast and the butterfly hatch in between them. Then I will trim the bed and bolt them in place. I forgot my camera today so I could not take pictures. But I'll take some tomorrow. I still am debating on how big of a butterfly hatch to but on the deck between the mast. I am thinking about 3feet athwart ship and 4 or 5 feet for and aft. If I remember right the distance between the mast is 13.5 feet. This would leave about 4 3/4 or 4 1/4 feet between each mast and the butterfly hatch. I have the idea to build a dingy rack to house the dingy over the hatch, while making passages. I'm of a mind to have the dingy right side up with a battened cover to shed water and make it possible to store the oars and dingy's sail and mast inside the dingy. And right side up will allow the butterfly hatches to be opened with the dingy in place. Where as if it were upside down on the hatch, it will have no light or air until the dingy is removed. Any suggestions on the hatch size out there. I was thinking that if it was large enough to pass the stove out through it then it would be big enough for anything on the boat to get in or out. Anyone? Capt. Z.

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    OK I'll say something......been watching for some time now and constantly impressed by the size of the job, how you are doing it and what will be a great outcome.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Zatarra View Post
    ...I have the idea to build a dingy rack to house the dingy over the hatch, while making passages. I'm of a mind to have the dingy right side up with a battened cover to shed water and make it possible to store the oars and dingy's sail and mast inside the dingy. And right side up will allow the butterfly hatches to be opened with the dingy in place. Where as if it were upside down on the hatch, it will have no light or air until the dingy is removed...
    If the dinghy rack is high enough, you might be able to stow the dinghy upside down and still have room to open the butterfly hatch, plus have a bit of extra protection for the hatch.
    The only drawback that I can think of, is if the hatch needs to be usable as a 'secondary egress' for Coast Guard regulations...this was an issue for the schooner Sultana, IIRC.

    One other thing...just because you don't see lots of responses, don't worry! Lots of us are following this thread (and wishing we were there to help!)!

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    heck yea, I look in everyday.

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    Mike, Tom, Wiz, and all the rest thanks for letting me know your watching.
    Here is the string theory in action! If you already know this just skip down to the pictures, I know that's what you do! No one reads the articles, everyone just wants more pictures. So if your still reading here is string theory. A gravitationally oriented string(we like to call this the gravitationally oriented string) is hung over the mast step. Now at deck level two strings are tied athwart ship parallel to each other (about a foot apart) (we like to call these athwart ship string 'A', and athwart ship string 'B') place a bubble level at both athwart ship string 'A' and athwart ship string 'B', to verify the deck is level. If it is not then the degree out of plum must be added or subtracted from the theoretical angle of the relationship of the gravitationally oriented string and the mast string. Unless the deck at this point is not intended to be level with the waterline in which case calculations must be adjusted to compensate for the differences. But I am getting ahead of myself. So, then another string is then nailed to the center of the spot where the mast will one day reside rooted in Brazilian cherry with a silver dollar under it's heel and a truck on it's head (we like to call this one the mast string). Now the mast string is tied to an other string running fore and aft (we like to call this one the fore and aft string)such that the mast string it can be run fore and aft. This part is not in the picture.

    Now the mast string is moved fore and aft (on the fore and aft string) till the relationship between the mast string and the gravitationally oriented string intersect at a 15* degree angle. You will have to take my word for it that the angle you see pictured here is in fact at a 15* degree angle. Now in theory where the mast string exits the deck is the center of where the mast will someday be exiting the deck. Now measure the angle from the mast step and you have the angle to cut the base if the mast

    Now that you all understand string theory, let's look at where we have got to so far on the schooner theory

    The theory is that some day this will be a schooner!
    Looking very close you can see the fore and aft string. This is the heatedly debated point where the juncture of string theory and schooner theory overlap.(YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE! You think that what is going on over on the NACA thread is serious business? That is Childs play compared to this overlap debate.) So back to pure schooner theory, the space between the two aft main deck beams and the three forward main deck beams is the location of the theoretical main mast piercing up proudly like a giant colossus through the main deck. It's beautiful man!!...... Well I mean in theory it's beautiful,....... because it's not really there and you know.....so it can only be ......well, you know ah,..theoretically beautiful.....but I can see it..ok...So ah, just aft the Spanish windless is where the theoretical fore mast will be and I'm not going to say anything about how it will look or anything, just I'm sure you will like it, ok, so, ah, until next time aarrggh matey. Capt. Z.

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    Finally !!, I truly feel I have grasped the string theory in its entirety.The voluminous text I have read in the past lacked pictures.But you cleared that right up.Onwards and upwards Cap'n.

    happy days

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    Coarse or fine thread nuts?

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    Should qualify as an addendum to Chapelle! You have our undivided attention...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Coarse or fine thread nuts?
    Course for motorboats........fine for sailboats..........of course! Capt. Z.

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    Today; the good news is....We put in the rest of the port side shear bolts up to the the fore mast. And cut to fit six deck beams so now the deck beams run up past the foremast.
    The bad news.......I burned out an brand new (five days on the job)professional half inch drill.
    It is quite a sensation to stand in side the hull with the deck beams over head and get a since of the space. I worked till it was dark today so I didn't get a daily progress picture taken. I'll try to remember to take one in the morning. Capt. Z.

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    I, for one, am glad that you provided this intro to String/Schooner theory. That NACA foil thread was giving me headaches!

    Tom

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    Pictures, Pictures, red hot pictures, new evidence supporting schooner theory! get your pictures here!

    I climbed up on the back to get a view looking forward.

    This view is from inside the V berth.
    so then I climbed up above the V berth and took this picture.

    Cleaned up all the nuts and washers on the shelf clamp and put a coat of varnish on them. The part inside the wood and in the outside counter sink hole are treated with a metal protection paint. Also got five beams faired to the shelf, so tomorrow we will continue bed the rest and then sand and varnish these faired bedded beams then drill and bolt them in to place. Enjoy. Capt. Z.

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    I'm going to steal the line from an old joke...beautiful just f'''kin' beautiful. You Capt'n are an amazing, if not fast guy. Thanks for this thread.

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    You sir are FAST. It looks as if you'll soundly beat me to the water. My whole boat displaces some small fraction of your ballast alone, and yet I can't seem to pull ahead! I love watching this build. Keep up the good work.

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    Does anyone remember the lyrics;
    Some days are diamonds
    Some days are stones
    Sometimes the hard times
    Won't leave me alone.
    Well today was a stone. I started to work bedding the next beam from where I left off yesterday when my helper started to sand the first beam of the day, he plugged in my porter-cable random orbital sander and turned it on and it went supernova in his hand. It has been my sanding work horse for years. And now it's gone. And then my screen on the new camera started to have dead spots on it. I spent the rest of the day going from store to store only to find no one stocks random orbital sanders in this town. So went to the next town and returned the camera for a new one(that took the store 2 hours to exchange it!!! And I got nothing done. So much for being fast, thanks for the kind words tigerregis and J. Madison. And J. you cannot pull ahead from germany and brazil. Also I noticed your building in Oregon City I have family there and my daughter will be stopping in to visit them next month, that makes us almost like neibors or something. Anyway I too have been following your build and I am looking forward to seeing yours planked. Capt. Z.
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    Bummer to hear about the sander, it looks like you're making fine progress though. Better luck tomorrow.

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    Thanks Jim, Tomorrow I hope to be the proud owner of a new RO sander. And new tools always make me feel better. Capt. Z.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Zatarra View Post
    And J. you cannot pull ahead from germany and brazil. Also I noticed your building in Oregon City I have family there and my daughter will be stopping in to visit them next month, that makes us almost like neibors or something. Anyway I too have been following your build and I am looking forward to seeing yours planked. Capt. Z.
    Oregon city! We knew it was a small world. Well if she gets tired of visiting relatives and wants to hang out in a boat shop send her my way. Any relative of the Good Captn is welcome around here. (Well maybe not your worst relatives, assuming they're anything like mine.)

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    As far as burning out the drill goes, it might be a good idea to check your line voltage when you have a good-sized tool running at full power. If you're under 100 volts that might cause trouble. It's easy to check. One guy drills, other guy used voltmeter in the outlet closest to the tool.
    Low voltage is hard on tools, and particularly on variable speed reversing tools. The switches get hot and burn out, I think. So if you can find an old-fashioned drill, one speed, one direction, that might last longer. If the label on the tool says that it will work with AC or DC, that's the tool you're looking for.

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    J.M. I'll tell her. My little brother is getting married there next month. So I recon that there will be a whole passel o' kin folk of mine runnin' round there. So I figure maybe fer visitin' your shop, just my closest kin, hand selected, cream o' the crop type kin folk, allowed over. Besides my daughter that leaves exactly ah oh ah..... Let's just say their a wild and crazy bunch, when you see a wedding with every one in kilts and pagpipes playin' that will be my clan!

    Meanwhile back here in Nicaragua I took a picture of a traffic jam while I was out looking for power tools.
    Don't you just hate it when some guy is in such a hurry that he keeps pulling his horse farther and farther into the intersection. As if it will make the truck move faster.

    The best part of this picture is the cowboy with the Woody and Buzz Lightyear backpack.

    While on the other side of town more evidence to support the schooner theory is discovered.
    This is the first two main deck beams bolted in.

    The bolts will be trimmed back. So do you guys want some input in the build here. I keep going back and forth on how to finish the two lower corners of the beam.
    1.-Sand the corner softly rounded over.
    2.-Router the corner with an ogee bit or a bead bit.
    Let me know what you think-remember, like any presidential election-vote early, vote often.
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    I like the ogee bit on the sheer clamp and that would look good on the beam edges too. But a nice round over will be easier to deal with come refinishing time.

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    I like rounded.

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    Personal preference is the routed edge, I went through the same process as you trying to decide how to clean up the edges on my H28 sheer clamp and deck beams Z, the routed edge ended up easier and better looking for me in terms of removing splintered edges and hiding chips out of the edges. Although mine isn't as perfect as I'd like it, having done it around all of the existing framing, it looks like a little more effort as gone into the finish than just a round sanded edge.
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    How about hand planes, to give the edges that look of unique craftsmanship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Scientist View Post
    How about hand planes, to give the edges that look of unique craftsmanship?

    Tom
    I really like that idea I will play around with a cut off piece and see how it looks. Capt Z.

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    I just realized that I have been posting on this thread for one year now! Happy anniversary every one, I hope I get a lot more done in the next year then I did in the last year. The wood delivery delay just really set the nonexistent time schedule back. But we press on.
    I got another deck beam bolted in this morning. It seems strange that something so simple can take so long to do. It goes like this
    Step. 1. Place beam on shelf (today the beam was only 8.5 feet wide so much easier then the 13.5 feet wide ones I was doing yesterday)
    Step. 2. Measure from the bow to both port and starboard ends of the beam to ascertain that the beam is square to the ship. Next measure both port and starboard ends from previous beam to insure the new beam is parallel to the neighbor beam.
    Step. 3. Clamp beam in place.
    Step. 4. Drill 3/8" hole from the bottom of the shelf clamp up through the beam.
    Step. 5. Change drill bit to 1" spade bit and drill countersink hole on top of beam.
    Step. 6. Measure depth of hole and measure and cut 3/8 threaded rod (painted with rustproofing).
    Step. 7. Planish rod over nut and then insert washer in hole then rod and nut, thread unpainted washer and nut on rod below shelf clamp and tighten.
    Step. 8. Trim excess rod and then varnish lower washer and nut, and a second coat of rustproof on top washer and nut.
    Prior to all this each beam was cut to fit and then notched to fit flush on the shelf then removed from the boat. Set up on sawhorses sanded and varnished then when dry carried back up the ladder to the deck where the above steps are taken.
    I was hoping to get the deck on before the rainy season, but that is looking rather unlikely. So I think that I will have to sew up a boat cover from some awning material. To keep every thing dry. It has been a very wet dry season, and some of the old-timers say that means we are in for a very dry rainy season. That would be hard on the farmers here, but really good for me. So happy Anniversary everyone and have a gulper on me. I believe I shall have my usual ginseng lime coca-cola. It goes like this fill a tall glass with ice squeeze one large lime over ice, add 20 drops of concentrated red panax ginseng extracted and then pour the glass full with coca-cola. Take a hardy swig and enjoy. Cheers me hardies, here's to wooden boats. Capt. Z.

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    Happy anniversary Z and all the very best wishes for the coming year. Do you have any non existant finish line in that non existant schedule? End of the dry wet season ready for the start of the next wet dry season perhaps? Or the season after that?
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    If there was (and there certainly is not) a nonexistent schedule it would not have any references to having the deck laid and the hull planked by the next mini dry season (august)!!fact is this post probably doesn't exist either. Besides it is just a schooner theory, which means that it's existence is still in doubt in which case I don't exist either?? I think!? capt zzz....

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    I'll raise a glass with ya Z in honour of a year on the job.

    I'm getting excited seeing those deck beams go on; it's like you're giving your boat it's bones back.

    You are part of a long proud tradition, rebuilding yer boat on that beach. 'xcept these days we can all watch you sweat from our world wide web of comfy chairs. Thanks for takin time to share, more power to ya

    regards from Groover

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    Capt Z

    I really admire this project.
    The honest approach and progress you are making is very inspiring for a lot of us!

    Thanks, and keep up the good work!

    Cheers,
    Ole

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    ^ +1 to what Ole said. Happy anniversary.

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    Excellent stuff el capitan! Takes me back to days of working on "larger vessels", oh the pain...
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    Belated congrats, Captain!

    ...I was off the Net for a few days and mjust caught up last night. Yes, I hoisted a glass in your honour, and here's to another (whatever time it takes) to complete your rebuild!

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    "Step. 2. Measure from the bow to both port and starboard ends of the beam to ascertain that the beam is square to the ship. Next measure both port and starboard ends from previous beam to insure the new beam is parallel to the neighbor beam."

    Probably too late to help you on this z, but to cut down on all that individual measuring you need to trust your layout. Get a middle beam in and then layout each side from there, both forward and aft. If your beams are 13" O/C, hook a tape on a beam and run 13 and away (don't mark beam centers), 26, 39, etc. keep your tape close to square to the beam and you'll be close enough. Measuring beam to beam can get you in trouble as a 1/16" discrepancy can have your beam placement off by over an inch in ten feet, even though measuring from the bow to each side remains equal. You might not want that forward skylight to end up over a bulkhead.
    Lookin' good, congrats on the anniversary. / Jim

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