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  1. 10-04-2002, 01:49 PM #1
    Randy Leo
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    Anybody have any recent experience with Stimson Marine's Ocean Pointer Skiff?

    In the near future, WB is supposed to have a book out about building this unit. In the published table of contents, it seems to indicate that you have the option of building with either a flat or V bottom.

    Now, originally, I had discounted the Ocean Pointer for my purposes because the review in BDQ#2 clearly shows a flat bottom.

    I've already owned one too many flat-bottom boats and I wouldn't willingly build one but, if I'm interpreting the TOC correctly, this could be one of those rare "having and eating" cake scenarios.

    Finding anything substantial about this Ocean Pointer or their ancestors, the Wallace Westpointers is darned near impossible. Calls to, and money sent for study plans from Stimson have been fruitless (their check was never cashed so I suspect the USPS has a fair measure of responsibility in at least the mail part of these difficulties).

    Oh yeah, the "My purposes" part...
    I think that a slightly stretched-out Ocean Pointer might be just the thing to hang my 30hp Yamaha onto for exploration of the Texas ICW, rivers and lake systems.

    I can just see it now: a sturdy yet light, twentysomething foot pocket cruiser based on the Ocean Pointer V hull. Not so heavy that you'd need a new Ford F-350 to pull it to the coast but not so skimpy that you'd have your pants scared (or beaten) off of you in a moderate chop. Small enough to be handled by one person but big enough to spend the occasional overnight.

    I simply can't wait to get my hands on that new WB book so I was hoping that someone on the board might have some inside information about this bottom thing...

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  2. 10-04-2002, 01:50 PM #2
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    OOPS...West POINTER Skiffs.
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  3. 10-04-2002, 03:06 PM #3
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    I just drove past a West Pointer on a trailer about two blocks away from my house. It's raining right now, but tomorrow I could go over and take some pics. What would you like me to shoot? Are there any specific details that you would be interested in?
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  4. 10-04-2002, 03:15 PM #4
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    Excellent, Steven!

    I'm particularly interested in seeing how much deadrise they have and the shape of the cutwater.

    Also, if they've done anything other than a simple transom-hung motor (like a motor well or recessed transom), some shots of the motor installation would be wonderful.

    Thanks for your hehp!
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  5. 10-05-2002, 05:59 PM #5
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    Hi, Randy. I was kinda in a rush but here's what I've got. This is a real work boat. The sun was on the wrong side of the boat from where I could take pics on the street. If these don't look good I'll try some more in the afternoon tomorrow.







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  6. 10-05-2002, 07:41 PM #6
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    I'd really like to see more also!! Thanks!
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  7. 10-07-2002, 10:29 AM #7
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    Steven,
    Thanks soooo much for taking the time to get those pictures. Very helpful!!

    That particular boat looks flat-bottomed at the transom...do you know if that is typical?

    Best regards,
    Randy

    PS: There's still green grass in Maine? Must be a mild fall. Here's pics from one of my trips to the mid-coast...I love the place!
    http://www.onr.com/user/rleo/Rock99/Rock99Xmas.htm
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  8. 10-07-2002, 07:00 PM #8
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    Great pics Randy! It looks like you had a great trip to Maine. I haven't been back to get another shot with better lighting, it's been raining here.
    I'm pretty sure this is an original Alton Wallace boat - That's a fifty HP on the transom. That's not a well - just little decks.
    Maybe D from the other Stimson thread has more info on the bottom of the Stimson version. I think the original shape is a pretty sharp v up front that flattens out toward the stern and is quite flat at the transom.
    I enjoyed reading about David Stimson in Ruhlman's "Wooden Boats". Now out in paperback, in case you didn't know.
    Have you read the Woodenboat article from a few years ago about Alton Wallace? I really enjoyed that one.
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  9. 10-07-2002, 09:04 PM #9
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    Steven,
    Didn't know about the Alton Wallace article...I'll look it up and get the back issue. I'll go after the David Stimson one too.

    Do you remember seeing a picture in WB "launchings" a few years ago where someone had built themselves a "mini" lobsterboat starting with an Ocean Pointer Skiff? It didn't have standing headroom in the pilot house and wouldn't be a practical work boat but there was enough room to get in out of the sun (very important down here!) and I'm thinking that something like it might just make a really nice little outboard powered, pocket cruiser. All of my WBs are packed away right now (we're just now finishing a remodel of the 'ol hut here in Austin) so I can't lay my hands on the picture or I'd scan it and show you.

    Along the same lines, The Apprentice Shop in Rockland built a 22 inboard 'Lobster Yacht' last year that just might be able to be adapted to OB power too. I have a copy of the lines and some pictures too but they are at work...I'll put a pic here tomorrow.

    Later, R
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  10. 10-08-2002, 10:53 AM #10
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    Steven,
    Here is a pic of the Carney 22 that Apprentice Shop built. A real sweetheart.



    Enjoy,
    R
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  11. 10-08-2002, 02:21 PM #11
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    Randy:

    If I remember correctly, the lines were taken off the the West Pointer and was built in 'glas as the 19'Seaway. This hull is now being built by Eastern Boats in New Hampshire.. I bought one a couple of years ago and am quite happy with the boat. The have also stretched it into a 22 footer. Also a nice looking boat.

    It would be interesting though to build the strip version that W/B just published. In fact, just sent for the book myself.(It is sold out!!)

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  12. 10-08-2002, 04:35 PM #12
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    Kevin G,
    Those are fine looking craft...too bad their web pages aren't any better than they are...no details at all.

    Tell me more about your Eastern. I'd like to know about how she's powered, a description of the underbody (dis there a skeg?), deadrise (if any) and the ride in a chop.

    Other: If I understand correctly, the WB book on building the Ocean Pointer isn't due out until the end of the month...can't wait to see it.

    Best regards to all,
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  13. 10-12-2002, 06:33 PM #13
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    Randy,

    Not to attempt to steer you away from the Stimson, but rather to throw out some food for thought. A hard chine alternative is Arno Day's GREAT COVE 21 (WB 124) and another option might be Eliot Spalding's DECOY(a bit less of a lobster boat and an inboard, but back to a round bottom-WB 128). Lastly, there is Phil Bolger's SHIVAREE (and derivatives) which has been featured in a number of publications in various lengths, but most prominently in Mike O'Brien's "Boat Design Quarterly" (No. 17).
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  14. 10-12-2002, 10:08 PM #14
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    So the Bagginses wants me to look at other boatses?

    Hehe...seriously, I'm always game for looking at another design. It keeps my hands and shop nice and clean.

    I just saw a reference the other day to Arno Day's Great Cove 21 but couldn't scare up anything with a cursory search on Google; the WB references will help lots. Thanks for mentioning SHIVAREE and DECOY too. I'll definitely give them a look.

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  15. 10-13-2002, 09:23 AM #15
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    Randy,

    To save you a bit of shoe leather, here is an image of DECOY (plans are sold by the WB Store, and more information is available on this site)



    Also, SHIVAREE was featured (along with a stretched version, SOMETIME OR NEVER) in WB 117
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  16. 10-14-2002, 01:59 AM #16
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    Anyone know where there are pictures (other than WB 124) of a Great Cove 21?

    R Leo
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