Following the Pied Piper.

[Candyfloss]

I have been hearing the Siren call for years now & have finally succumbed to the seduction. I have bought a Pied Piper in need of restoration from her owner in Auckland, where, for the time being, she remains.

Pied Piper was the second of Des Townson's keelboat designs, and at 22ft. (6.7m) his smallest keelboat.



For those who have not yet met the late, great Des Townson, among much else he designed (and built) the Zephyr dinghy;



the Townson 25; (this is my own effort, "Candyfloss")



and the Townson 2.4 dinghy with which I amuse myself in my dotage by building in glued lapstrake;

[Candyfloss]

Pied Pipers are raced on Auckland Harbour at cut-throat intensity;



but my one looks a little the worse for wear;







which is exactly what I was looking for when I found her on the hard at Devonport Yacht Club on Auckland's North Shore. Thanks Snow for the pic.

Originally designed in July 1963 "so young blokes can build, own & go sailing in their own boats", and specifically for Des' younger brother Bill, she was to have been called "Mercia", a famous name on the Waitemata, but Bill was too slow building his boat, and was beaten into the water by Allan Warwick's boat "Pied Piper". The tradition on the Waitamata is to call a class of boats by the name of the first to get wet, so Pied Piper the class became, and thank goodness for that say I.

Built in 9mm ply over assembled frames, usually by their owners, "Piedys" originally carried a good deal of ballast and a moderate rig, but race-mad young fellows soon fined down the keel and extended the sail area until in August 1982 Des redrew her, changed all the dimensions from inches to millimetres, extended the rig and standardized the keel to a shape and weight he could live with. The new standard was adopted by the Pied Piper Owners Association and all racing Piedys now measure to the rule. In excess of two hundred have been built in back yards all over NZ, but mostly in Auckland where they have a reputation as a party boat. They sail hard and party hard.

[Thorne]

Best of luck and have fun!

[AnalogKid]

My good lady has dragged me away from that boat and its 'For Sale' sign on the last few trips to Devonport, not that I have the means to fund a keel-boat sized hole in the water as the moment, not even a 22ft one. Or a mooring come to think of it.

I'll follow it's return to former glory with great interest.

Andy.

[Candyfloss]

Thanks Thorne.

And thank you John for helping me find her.

But this boat has issues. For starters, her name. "Born Slippery". Ye Gods, whatever was he thinking. So my daughter Abby came up with a new name. "Ceilidh". Pronounced "kay-lee" it is Irish (or Scots) for an informal get-together featuring traditional song, dance and drinking. In other words, a party. My kind of party (I'm half Irish). Perfect. Next, her cabin shape is all wrong. Here's the study plan from the set of drawings;



Ceilidh has the original, shorter roof, which Des lengthened when he redrew it, and I suspect he may have lowered the roofline an inch when he did so. Either way, Ceilidh's cabin is too short & too high for my tastes. If you can't stand upright in a boat, there is little point in adding an inch or two to the roof height and you still can't stand up. It just spoils the aesthetics. Also the cabintop is built in the original style with internal roof beams & a 9mm ply skin. The new style has a laminated roof with no beams. This is vastly preferable; nothing to hit your head on & a much easier paint job. So the whole cabintop has to come off. This has the added bonus of allowing me standing room inside while I do the rebuild, and I can replace the ply coamings with varnished mahogany, as they were with Candyfloss. In my own personal, very biased, opinion, such a beautiful shape deserves nothing less.

The cockpit has been hacked about in the modern way with an open transom. I will fill the transom back in again & add an aft deck forward to the mainsheet traveler, then an aft coaming across it, aft of the traveler. There can be no lazarette here as the rudder shaft comes up thru the cockpit floor aft of the traveler, making a bulkhead impossible. Also, she has a rise in the companionway of about 300mm, to stop water entering the saloon should the cockpit flood. What absolute nonsense. This is the Hauraki Gulf guys, the best cruising grounds in the world, not Cape Horn. I'll cut it out, fit a lintel about 50mm high, and should the weather become so severe that I fear a wave might jump into the cockpit, (yeah right, it is sooo going to happen) I'll fit the first washboard & lock it in place. The ability to easily step thru the companionway without having to clamber over what amounts to a bridgedeck is a boon beyond measure on a cruise. The existing tiller is an ugly stick. I'll build a new, properly shaped one.

[Paul G.]

funny this crops up... I met a young bloke at milford who is launching a brand spanking new one in the next month or two, it will be on the hard there shortly getting finishing touches..

[Candyfloss]

A new Piedy? I'm all agog. WE WANT PICTURES.

I love Milford almost as much as I love Devonport. That little marina there is just a treat to walk around and the stroll down the beach at low tide to a flat white in Takapuna is to die for. The Zephyr 50th anniversary regatta was held on Milford beach. A hundred or more Zephyrs, including "Zephyr" herself, sail No. 1, faultlessly restored by Dave Peet (more on him later), pulled up on the beach in numerical order, then sailed by. A gorgeous day, and the last time I saw Des alive.

The picture at the beginning of this thread is of Des sailing "Zephyr" that day. I can't imagine how much that meant to him. He was a very sick man even then.

[Candyfloss]

Apart from the style of her cabintop & cockpit, Ceilidh has other issues. In common with all the racing Piedys she is almost bare inside. The drawings show, and the Rules require, sleeping accommodation for four. I suspect this is to force the owners to put something down below, else there would be nothing there at all. Since I will not be racing her, I need an anchor locker, a partitioned-off marine head, a galley, a built-in water tank of a decent capacity, a chart table & lots of storage. There will be backrests and shelving behind the bunks in the cabin area. A gas bottle locker & petrol tank locker under the cockpit seats.

I've done all the lofting and it can be done, but I lose a bunk in the head/galley area, reducing my accommodation to three. We'll find out what the Association has to say about that in due time. I'll also fit the specified toerail/rubrail. It just looks good & feels safer underfoot.

[AnalogKid]

So this boat wasn't actually marked for sale (like I say, I was dragged past the yard by my ear the last few times I've been that way)?

Could it have been on the hard for a while? I went to the Devonport club in Sept'09 for an exhibition they were hosting on North Shore designers as part of the heritage week and there were 3 Piedies on the hard then. Two of them are back in the water on moorings nearby.

I'm eager to see your layout for the accommodation Graeme, we are a family of 3 and my good lady wood require an enclosed head. Since there's nearly always affordable ones available on TradeMe, it might be a sensible route to a cruising boat for me. Just have to sort the mooring issue out, but a neighbour just managed to get a new mooring sunk right in view of his house, so there's hope (Grant's mooring for Marilyn, Paul G will know what I mean).

[Eric D]

Candyfloss, good luck in your restoration, never really heard of them up here, looks like a great boat. I will be follwoing with interest.

[Larks]

I don't know how I missed this thread Graham, I'd been waiting to see it since you mentioned Ceilidh on Kerry's thread (great name by the way). I'm looking forward to watching your progress and what you do.

If you can't stand upright in a boat, there is little point in adding an inch or two to the roof height and you still can't stand up. It just spoils the aesthetics.

Truer words have rarely been spoken!!!!

[Candyfloss]

Andy, I don't know how long she has been on the hard at Devo, it could be some time, and no, she did not have a "For Sale" sign hanging on her when I found her. I was put onto her by a thread that John B opened for me on crew.org.nz. PPOA president Ben has been a little tardy answering my emails. He's selling his boat "Yosemite Sam" so I guess he's a little distracted. Maybe they need a new president.

I'm not even sure if her previous owner sailed her very much. It appears he is not much of a handyman, let alone a boatbuilder, and the work being done by the guy he hired is indifferent to say the least. She was just costing him too much & he was desperate to be rid of her. Because I have been a boatbuilder by trade, I'm broke, I can get stuff cheap & I don't care how long this takes, I bought the cheapest boat I could find with some good gear. I seriously considered building from scratch, but the cost is prohibitive. The lead for the keel alone is more than $1000.00.

"Red Label" is also for sale. She is on a berth in "Piedy Lane" A.K.A. "tight-arse corner", at BBYC. I believe she has serious rot issues & could be got at a bargain, but although I was given her owner Richard's cell number, & left a message several times, he never replied. Both of the boats currently listed on TradeMe are well outside my price range, full of stuff I don't need, and I would still have to rip either one apart to rebuild one to my requirements. I'm just not race oriented any more.

[Candyfloss]

Eric, Green Bay's in SF, right? So you're a neighbor of Kerry the Floating Kiwi? If that's so I'd love for you to go visit him & bring me back an unbiased opinion on his Folkboat restoration that I have been watching & offering unsolicited advice on for the last year or more. He's almost finished now & will almost certainly launch in the spring.

[Candyfloss]

Hi Larks. Lovely to have you along mate. Your carefully measured and always helpful comments will be welcome here.

P.S. I know it's picky, but my name is spelt Graeme.

[CapnJ2ds]

"Ceilidh". Pronounced "kay-lee" it is Irish (or Scots)

Scots - but it's a great name for a piedy.

Was christened Graeme John meself (But always known by the second name) and have struck this spelling problem too from time to time. Perhaps it's that Sassenachs (those with the terrible misfortune of having no Scots blood) have trouble with Scottish names. My wife's second name was Ailsa, and nobody north of Cook Strait could handle that - it was always "Alisa", "Lisa" or wotteffer.

[Chip-skiff]

Ceilidh is Gaelic, which can be Irish or Scottish. I think that's the Irish form.

Idle comment, p'raps, but looking at the photos and drawings I'm struck by what an eye Townson had for what makes a boat beautiful. The proportional balance and the harmonic fitness of the curves is quite stunning.

I loved my wee Hartley, but compared to these Townson yachts it looked like a soup bowl with a butterbox on top.

These are boats to dream about.

[Chip-skiff]

Smack on, mate!

Those lines were drawn by one who loved yachts and the wind and the sea, with no theoretical contamination whatsoever.

Noble is the word that springs to mind.

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme
You have squatters - while having a few quiets at the Devonport Yacht Club tonight I looked across at your PP & there was a couple of blokes with a chilly bin of beer & as they say "taking in the rays" & enjoying the view Seems its a regular Friday thing.

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[Candyfloss]

Noble indeed Chip. Des' aversion to hollow sections shows especially in the Piedy bow area below the chine where he goes to considerable extra effort to retain full sections by curving, torturing, the ply forward of frame "E", then laminating two thicknesses of 4.5mm ply for the last sheet at the sharp end.

No doubt many amateur boatbuilders have wondered at all this extra work, but to my eye the result is certainly worth it.

Des hated people changing his designs, even accidentally. When I bought the plan for the 2.4 dinghy that I build, Des quite specifically asked me to make sure I got the stem profile right. I wondered why until I took a closer look at one of the boats that Allan Hooper had made in fiberglass, the one that Des owned until he died. Allan had rounded the bow off so much that the stem profile was changed; it was much more vertical than it should be. No doubt this bruised Des' eyes every time he looked at it.

[Candyfloss]

Snow, I desperately hope that's the previous owner Andrew enjoying a last sundowner on what was, until last Wednesday, his boat, while he prepares her for relaunching. I have to phone him, I'll ask. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Candyfloss]

Ceilidh has one more serious issue needing urgent attention. Her new keel is, to say the least of it, a total cockup. Though it does not show in the photos, the bottom of the keel is twisted off to starboard, yet the deadwood is fitted straight on the hull. This can only mean that the deadwood itself is twisted, that the horizontal Macrocarpa laminations that make it up were stacked up twisted, glued together twisted, filled, faired and fitted to the boat in a twisted state, then the "boatbuilder" has stood back, looked at it & thought "Oh f***k. I wonder if he'll notice". Well, I noticed first time I walked around the boat, which is why I did not hesitate to offer the ridiculously low price I bought the boat for.

I'm going to have to remove the keel (I was going to anyway) remove the ballast, cut the deadwood up into horizontal sections, stack them straight, glue them back together with shim material to regain the wood lost in the cutup, fill the resultant steps caused by fairing it when twisted, and fair it again. Then redrill the boltholes, refit the ballast and finally refit it to the hull. Basically, no big deal, except for the cutting-the-deadwood-into-horizontal-strips bit. Who knows what and how many fasteners were left in it during assembly. I shall have to cut thru all of them to get it apart, a job I am not looking forward to. On the other hand, I could build a new one. I'll price the timber & think it over.

[Eric D]

Eric, Green Bay's in SF, right? So you're a neighbor of Kerry the Floating Kiwi? If that's so I'd love for you to go visit him & bring me back an unbiased opinion on his Folkboat restoration that I have been watching & offering unsolicited advice on for the last year or more. He's almost finished now & will almost certainly launch in the spring.

Nope, sorry Graeme, Green Bay is a bit farther to the east, over in Wisconsin, right up off of Lake Michigan. Home of the world famous super bowl Champion Green Bay Packers (said in jest because here that is all that seems to matter in the world...) I wish I was in San Fran, I love that city and I would love to drop by kerry's restoration. I just plain like boats and wood working so it would be fun, not to mention he is a bit off his rocker so arguing over the best methods would be fun over some beer. (hope he is reading this too...)

I would agree with you on the curves of this boat as well. I will have to look up the plans, I have been itching to build a stink boat but slowly, slowly you sail guys are starting to steer me to your side...hmmm

THANKS for the lovely confusion.

[Candyfloss]

Sorry about my sad lack of geographical knowledge Eric. And I don't think anything in the world could be less important to Kiwis than the Superbowl.

[Candyfloss]

The lead ballast on a Piedy is a little unusual btw. If you look carefully at the drawing I posted, you will note the two little lines drawn on the keel. One high at the front, one low at the back. These indicate the cut line for the ballast. Above the line is laminated wood, below the line is the lead. The aftmost keelbolt therefore is very long, the front one quite short.

This makes stacking up the laminations straight a little more difficult, but not so much as to make me feel sorry for the idiot who did this.

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme
I was down at DYC today for the start of the Duder Cup race, a nice PP is moored just off the club house. Went up North Head to view the start & get some photos. First away & holding its own was another PP(lime green kite).
Enjoy the pix
Alan (snow)

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[Candyfloss]

Thanks Snow. That Piedy moored off Devonport sure is a lovely colour.

[AnalogKid]

Wan't Des particular about the colours people painted his boats?

You mentioned in the recounting of building Candyfloss how he disliked any deviation from the plans, especially the treatment of the cabin and it's windows, but a neighbour who also had a Townson 25 in the past told me that he was fond of that particular shade of light blue you see on so many of the Townson's on the Waitemata.

[Candyfloss]

Indeed Andy, Des was very fond of a shade of pale blue, the colour of the Zephyr in Post #1, the colour of John Peet's Electron, the colour of Candyfloss' cabintop, the colour of the cabintop in this pic of him on board his own "Talent";



"Talent" by the way was not a reference to any ability Des had, or thought he might have had, in designing boats. He was much too modest for that. He meant it in the sense of something precious.

[Candyfloss]

And having mentioned John Peet, now would be a good time to introduce the family that was so influential in Des' life, and mine. I first met John in his retirement years sailing Electrons on the pond at the Royal Palm Beach Retirement Village in Papamoa. It was amusing that we got to call our little club the Royal Palm Beach Yacht Club. Lifelong friends, it was John's suggestion that Des build the little fiberglass, radio controlled racing yachts, typical of Des that he should build them all himself (as he did with the Zephyrs and Mistrals), all 1000 or so of them, and that they would all be identical and perfect in every respect. It was John who talked Des out of calling his new 10ft6 sailing dinghy "Atarangi" (the name of the street the shed he built her in was located on) and suggested "Zephyr" instead. "Zephyr" was built of two skins of cold moulded Radiata with ribs fitted inside. When she blew apart in sea trials it was John who suggested three skins instead, and then insisted that Des take a stand at the Auckland Boat Show and see what kind of response he would get for forming a class. He sold twelve boats on the first day and it was all on. This was at a time when most boat owners, especially dinghy sailors, built their own boats, but Des insisted that the boats must be as identical as possible and against some indignation refused to sell the plans and built them all himself, hull and deck beams, at the rate of one a day. He must have worked like a madman.

Des carried this passion for similarity into everything he did, to the extent where all his boats, even the only launch he ever designed, look the same. He was once quoted as saying ruefully in an interview "It's been said that I only ever designed one boat". Not that his designs did not evolve, just that his focus was always the same: to design the perfect Gulf cruiser/racer. Speed was not his criteria, performance was, and especially performance to weather. Any old log can sail downwind. But I digress.

John Peet felt that a gap existed in the path to sailing maturity, that too big a gap existed between the "P" Class sailing dinghy and whatever boat a young sailor could choose next. I know that when I left "P" Class all the other boats looked huge and scary. I still am just a little fella, and at 60kg too light to successfully campaign a Zephyr, a Moth or the more modern Laser. John's idea was for a 9ft6 dinghy that could be home built to very close tolerances, and sailed by young people. Des' answer was the Starling, and John's teenage son David was chosen as the guineapig to test build the rather unusual building technique. It was his first effort and an outstanding success. Half a dozen were quickly built and shown around the country. Their lovely, understated lines and enjoyable handling characteristics were an instant hit, and thousands have been built. They are now being produced in fiberglass and exported. The rights were gifted to the BBYC where Brian Peet, John's second son, is chairman of the controlling committee.

I first met David Peet at Tauranga Yacht Club soon after I moved there. I wanted to get back into sailing after years of absence, and having crewed on some horrendous IOR style boats, made it known that I wanted to build my own. David suggested the Townson 25, a fairly recent offering from Des' board. David had built, sailed and sold "Whisp", and was now building the first Townson 9.6 "Pipe Dream". John had suggested the T25 concept to Des, initially as a trailer yacht, but Des balked at that and designed a keelboat instead. John had built and still owned the first example "Bliss". I fell in love at first sight and so began my "Candyfloss" adventure. David was an enormous help during the build, letting me use his equipment, giving advice, laying down the law, and even giving hands-on help, though he had much better things to do. It was at David's insistence that the standard of finish was so high; I just felt that I couldn't let the team down with sloppy workmanship. Another new arrival in Tauranga, Allan Trevor, was also building at David's suggestion. Originally to have been a T25, Allan upsized to the new Townson 8.8, essentially a shortened T32, but modernized and very pretty. We all three of us, my T25, Allan's T8.8 and David's T9.6 were building at the same time, in the same way, with the same focus, and they all looked the same. White hull, Townson Brown toerail (three parts Red, one part Black), Cream decks (one part Deck Cream, three parts White), varnished Mahogany coamings and trim and Townson Blue cabintop (one part Sea Blue, two parts White), except Allan staged a revolution and painted his cabintop Cream. Allan died of cancer only a few years later and his boat "Sonata" lay half derelict on a mooring off Birkenhead last time I saw her some years ago. I nearly cried to see that lovely boat in such sorry condition.

[AnalogKid]

There's another on TradeMe at the moment, going pretty cheap in Wellington but the cabin is all wrong.

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I had a good look at the Auckland council site regarding moorings and it turns out there's one within 100 metres of the boat ramp down the road available for sale at $2200. It states a draft of 1.4m, is that sufficient for a Piedy? - I'm not finding out a lot of useful info on the association website.

[AnalogKid]

Just found these scans. If your monitor is big enough or you squint real hard, it show the draft given as 3'9", or 1.143m in new money.

[AnalogKid]

I can spot a Townson a mile off (well maybe half) but I'm hopeless at distinguishing the larger designs.

There is/was one next to my son's rugby club on Birkenhead Ave. that was under restoration for a good while and sat fully rigged for a few months but I'm pretty sure it has been launched now (not turned in there recently, the club is having new drainage laid under the pitches so its out of bounds for a year).

Another one in a front yard and not getting much done on her is in Beach Haven in by partner's cousin's former land-lord's section. Its de-rigged and under cover, with most of the paint sanded or stripped back. Apparently his wife is trying to get him to sell it.

[Candyfloss]

Apparently his wife is trying to get him to sell it.

Wives seem to do this quite a lot.

Yeah, that is one ugly set of windows. I thought about offering him a ridiculous price for it, but the logistics of shipping it to Thames defeated me. Thanks for that clip Andy, I'll put it on file. Got anything else? My plans give the draft as 1350mm.

That's a Serene, John, Des' first keelboat. It looks like "Anitra". She used to sail out of Thames.

[Candyfloss]

I realize that this is putting the cart way before the horse, but when I was in Auckland to meet the PO & pay for the boat, I took the opportunity to go out West & buy some Sapelle for Ceilidh's new coamings. Then I couldn't resist making them. The only camera I have access to at the moment takes real bad pics most of the time, but I managed to get these shots of them in my lounge;



I just had them in the lounge for a couple of days so I could get a good look & make sure the window shape was right;




They are not quite tall enough, so I shall have to glue a strip along the top to extend them. That's today's job;



I hope the guy who built the boat followed the plan or I might have a pair of very expensive, redundant coamings on my hands. Nah. I'm a boatbuilder, I can fix anything.

[Candyfloss]

She should be back in the water by now. I'll phone the PO and check. If I don't want to sail overnight, & I don't, I have to arrive in Thames on a rising afternoon tide. Sunday 13 March is the first such, then an hour later for the next six or seven days. Surely I can get one fine day in six? Leave Auckland in the afternoon, a leisurely cruise to the Omaru Bay/Ponui area, anchor overnight, thru Sandspit Passage (confusing that there are two Sandspits isn't it?) next morning. Overnight her in the Thames basin then take the next high up the Waihau River to the slip at Kopu. Rip off the keel, take out the rig, load her on my mate's flatbed trailer & park her in whichever shed I decide on.

Well, that's the plan.

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme
Still on the hard last night when I was at the DYC. The rudder is back on her.

Cheers Alan

[Candyfloss]

Thanks Snow. I'll make the call.

[Eric D]

good luck on the transport. Very nice looking pictures John B.

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme

Walking the dog this morning I see she is now on the slip so I assume tonight or Saturday mornings tide for splash down. Are you coming up?

[Candyfloss]

Thanks for the news Snow. I have no reason to go to Auckland this weekend, and then it's Heritage Week in Thames, a big deal for us, & I'm involved in all kinds of shows & musical stuff all week. Do you have or can you organize a battered old dinghy I could carry my outboard out to her next week in? I don't want to do it in my dinghy. Or a 2horse outboard I could load into my dinghy without serious damage. Just enough to get the boat to the wharf?

[Candyfloss]

Rum-go came up on TradeMe this morning;



$8500. Looks real nice, but several details are wrong, and the windows & coamings. No wonder Des got so stroppy about it.

[snow(Alan H)]

Do you have or can you organize a battered old dinghy I could carry my outboard out to her next week in? I don't want to do it in my dinghy. Or a 2horse outboard I could load into my dinghy without serious damage. Just enough to get the boat to the wharf?

Graeme
No problems we will sort u out, the answer is yes to all your your questions, so you let me know what is the best for you. I'm only 1 minute from the DYC so it will be easy.
Cheers Alan

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme

Looks like she did not go in on todays tide.

Just a thought, if the guys launching her can get her to Westhaven, I have access to a spare marina berth, which would make life very easy for you re outboard, loading up etc.

Cheers Alan

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[Candyfloss]

It pelted with rain all day yesterday, so I would not be surprised if they waited till today (Sunday), or even Monday.

Snow, there is a PM for you. I might be able to contact Andrew before they launch & direct him to Westhaven, otherwise there is a wharf in Devonport I've seen guys use to load their boats.

[Paul G.]

Shouldnt you be in bed on this miserable morning?

[snow(Alan H)]

No launch today. I'll email you with the Westhaven marina berth number & gate code, so you have them 'on file'
Cheers Alan

ps as I said on the phone just shout if you want a hand.

[Candyfloss]

That's very kind of you Snow. Thank you very much, it sure solves a lot of problems for me. I love marinas. The PO says that delivery to Westhaven solves a few problems for him also, so everyone is happy.

Seems that slipping at Devonport is fraught at the best of times. The Waiheke ferry sends a wave in that you can almost surf on at Duders Beach.

Monday morning and the weather is perfect. Typically New Zealand. How does the weather know when it is the weekend? I'm planning on picking the boat up next Monday, so if Hughy the weather god holds true, the last week's weather pattern will repeat itself & next Monday will be like this also.

[snow(Alan H)]

Keep me in the loop too , I'll help if I can or if you need anything. I'll pm a ph number.

Which pier is it ?

W27 -
John - do you have the go anywhere gate code at Westhaven (eg the tradesmans one) ? If not I'll PM it to you. Very handy if boat spotting.

[snow(Alan H)]

Still on the slip today at lunch time.

[snow(Alan H)]

Graeme
Going thru my photo files today looking for a 'lost' pix & I came across this, if I recall I took the photo at the launch of Steve Horsley's yacht 'Ngatira' - its one of your art-works, is it not? Looking forward to seeing what you do with the PP.