1938 Bluenose/Thebaud schooner race YouTube

[seo]

This is an incredible bit of film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_F6z...eature=related

[SchoonerRat]

WOW!!!

Lots of schooner in that footage.

Thanks for the link.

[chuckt]

Neat! Thanks for pointing it out

[mmd]

FOr those of you whom may be interested in the rebuild of the Bluenose II, there are some web cameras pointed at it while a-building here: http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/sou...#axzz1DxzBR0uh

[seo]

I wonder how much of the original Bluenose 2 will be left over after the "rebuild."

[kazeai1969]

Very cool link mmd! Thanks!

[viking north]

Seo,good post. Re your question on how much of the Bluenose 2 left over after the rebuild ? I Was at the Halifax Boat show this past weekend and they had a Bluenose 2 rebuild info booth, being the inquisitive guy and taxpayer that i am i posed that very question. The real answer is, it is not a re build but a new build and called a rebuild to avoid re registering and all it involves with certain government regulated inspections and requirements. As a taxpayer i agree this was the proper route to take albeit certainly brending (bending /breaking)the rules. Another tax saving move was to build her out of the proper woods, not as they were build on the cheap from local inferior products. They were workhorses and dangerious ones at that meant to pay for their cost in two to four trips out. On this build they are using angileque for her backbone and i believe epoxy laminated white oak for her ribs. To further save tax payers money they should have built her in epoxy impreginated strip plank. These replicas are just that replicas and i have no time for the bleedin heart purests, if they want exact replicas let them put their money where their mouths are, both in building and maintaining the final product, you'll hear alot of wallets being tucked deep into back pockets then. Maybe they could go one step further and dig up the crews. Speaking of crews both schooners had Newfoundlanders on board more so the Bluenose than the Theabaud but the Theaubaud was partly owned and captained by the Newfoundland boy from Belloram, Capt. Ben Pine. In this race he beat the Bluenose but it was a demonstration race only, no throphy was at stake. This was not the first time Capt. Ben. beat Angus Walters in the Bluenose. Ben as Captain of the Columbia also beat the Bluenose but Walters contested the race and sailed back home without giving time for the race committe to make a decision and Pine refused to take the throphy on a disqualification. So while I am a proud Canandian and Nova Scotia is my adopted home like my fellow gentleman Newfoundlander Ben Pine I have to give credit where true credit is due The Bluenose was beaten by Gloucester built vessels but Captained by best and a gentleman to boot otherwise the Fishermans throphy would most likely today be in Gloucester. (Man i'm going to pay for this truth in history) Geo.

A yacht is not defined by the vessel but by the care and love of her owner

[seo]

Viking:
I pretty much agree with you on the purism angle. I've sailed on two "historic reproductions" which I guess are compromised replicas. Sort of like the "mostly virgin, little bit pregnant" girl next door. Pride of Baltimore I had started out intended to be as authentic as they could make her, with fiber shrouds and stays, canvas sails, tiller-steered, etc.
By the time I sailed on her the rigging was steel, sails Duradon, electronic navigation. Still steered by tiller.
When I went on board in San Francisco, for the trip back to Baltimore, I was told that I really only needed to know three answers for the "public tours" we were scheduled to give: 1) Yes, the cannons are real. 2) The barrels are full of drinking water, and 3) That's called baggy-wrinkle. Which suggests that the public wasn't thirsting for knowledge about traditional construction.
The Amistad was less authentic, and had watertight bulkheads, twin engines (instead of one on the Pride), etc. While I was on board the Amistad in Liverpool, we tied up alongside a vessel called the "Bounty," which was used in making one of the "Mutiny on" movies. She was NOTHING like the original Bounty.
A few years back I spent a few weeks in Plymouth, Mass, on a tug (harbor dredging), and met a guy who was involved with the "Mayflower" replica of the Pilgrim's ship. I think she's pretty authentic, and maybe as a result she doesn't go much of anywhere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_II
Anyway.
Thanks for the comment on the Thebaud/Bluenose races. I didn't know Ben Pine was from Newfoundland.

[viking north]

We boys are and were everywhere It was an unique time in history for us, we were a fully independent country and had thruout history very close ties with the U.S., especially the New England colonies as we considered ourselves as one of them until England and Canada stole us from our close association with you guys. Many of the old families in Gloucester and New Bedford were origionally from NFLd. following the natural route, England, Ireland,Newfoundland and south. However such is history and in the long run it's just a ripple upon the water. Another interesting Captain from the Rock(NFLD) is Bob Bartlett, an amazing man, if you have time take a quick internet read on him re Peary's north pole trip and the Karluk's trip up the Alaska Coast into the Artic Ocean, crushed in the ice and the survival saga. They didn't rate him as the best ice captain in the world without merit. Interesting boat liberary literature certainly up there with Slocum or Bligh. Geo.

[Ian McColgin]

Two great click-to's and a number of good posts. What a thread.

[Gerarddm]

IIRC the actor Sterling Hayden was a crewmember on one of them and recounted his experience in his memoir.

[seo]

I think the book that Gerarddm is referring to is "The Wanderer" by Sterling Hayden:
Paperback: 448 pages
Publisher: Sheridan House (January 25, 1998)
ISBN-10: 1574090488
ISBN-13: 978-1574090482
For what it's worth, I thought it was a great book when I read it, while I thought that "Voyage" was not very good at all. Hayden came on board the "Pride of Baltimore" in San Francisco when I was on board her. He was pretty old, but very big.

[seo]

Bob Bartlett's is a familiar name here in Maine. The "Bowdoin" is tied up right now ten miles away in Castine. My college girlfriend's father sailed as mate with Captain Mac on the "Bowdoin," and had met Bartlett. Even down here in the sunny south he was greatly respected as a great sailor and navigator.

[viking north]

This thread is getting scarier with every post. Sterling Hayden a name from my long long lost past, I met him at my Grandfathers house at the U.S. military base in Stephenville NFLD sometime in the 50's. I don't know why i remember him other than he and my grandfather were discussing a half model of a schooner built by some distant relative and as a kid i wanted the model at which time it was explained it wasn't a toy.My grandfather promised to build me a sailing model and teach me to sail it. Which he never did by the way. But i did get sailing lessons on paper from the two of them. I think he was there to go moose hunting as my grandfather was a big game guide.( I'm assuming it was the same Sterling Hayden, in that this guy was definately into sailing craft and sailing) Ok thats weird enought but take a look at the document posted. It is my Great,Great, Grandfathers schooner's re-registration in 1825 into him and his sons name.(WANDERER) She was origionally registered in the year he finished building her in 1818. It was a traditional down east "Heel Tapper" style schooner.I also have that regristration but at the moment it seems to be misfiled. By the way my GG grandfathers name was Timothy Pike, his son My G grandfather's name was Thomas Pike. Keep this thread going and someone will find a long lost son.--Geo. (oops edited thread was seeing doppleganger opas)
Dam it, this is the wooden Boat forum Thread, went to post the document and still after months can't figure it out. I can post it on the Boat Design Forum and people interested can view it there or Can i e mail it to someone and maybe you can post it for me Thanks Geo.

A yacht is not defined by the vessel but by the love and care of her owner.