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    Bump, to illustrate some aspects of wooden boatbuilding for a friend who is an aircraft restorer.

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    Thanks, Dave.


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    Dave, thanks for bumping up this thread. I enjoyed it from the beginning, but it's specially relevant now that I own a ketch. You've got me thinking about light air sails.

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    Good to see this bumped, as I missed it before - beautiful boat, great thread!

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    My pleasure, gents. The old ketch didn't see too much of me this year, but next spring we have a date for a paintjob. I'm going to strip the old topside paint off, go back to wood, and start afresh. I don't think that's been done for 20 years or so.

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    Bump, to illustrate some bowsprit info.

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    Started spring-work on the boat on Friday. It wa April 01, and the weather was indeed a joke -- sunny and calm and 25C. Unusual, to say the least.

    In the Clubhouse on of the other owners (he has a very cool steel ex Coast Guard Buoy Tender) said he had some photos for me. They were taken 2 years ago, and he'd been saving them.


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    It's nice, you know. You work, work, work... fuss over the details... sand your fingertips raw... wonder whether it's all worth it, or whether anyone ever notices... and then you get photos like this. Out of the blue.

    Steady, aye, steady...

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    Nice, thanks. I was aboard mine today with some family (at the dock). Can hardly wait for sailing days...

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    Well I've been putting it off, but every quarter century you really should re-paint a wooden boat.

    Being planked with cypress, it really is a battle trying to keep the paint from flaking off. For the last 10 years I've been trying to get away with touch-up, but this spring I decided to get back to wood.

    Here's a section of the bow, the Before Picture.



    So I employed my trusty paint stripper -- fire -- and set to work. (For any larger surface I'd recommend a bigger, softer-flame torch. A friend of mine at the boat yard recently used the shrink-wrap propane torch -- perfect.)



    And then attacked the boat in sections, as time permitted.

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    After each section, I sanded using a random-orbit sander and very long even strokes, then got a coat of primer on. In the meantime, I had already bottom-painted, and got water into the centerboard trunk and hull bottom (pre-swelling).



    The centerboard trunk is plank-on-frame, and can be troublesome to pre-swell, but I've hit upon the idea of pressing a narrow sheet of soft styrofoam from below, using a 2 x 4 being pushed up by wedges. This is very easy, low-tech, and works perfectly. Once plugged, I can fill up the trunk from inside the boat, and eventually the boards take-up.



    But it was terribly hot and muggy. Last week I couldn't stand it, and so went into town and bought a tarp to work under. A well-designed dinghy is handy for many things!



    And in the shade I was able to finish the side. (Plus I also picked up a case of beer. Dehydration is a serious threat.)



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    The wind-scoop is wonderful when you go inside for a breather.



    And a decent workbench with a vise is a must (cleared at the moment of the photo for a thunderstorm). Those sawhorses are made of 1 x 6, and are hinged at the top, so they collapse for transport. Very sturdy, very handy.

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    It looks nice in wood, and one can fantasize about a varnished hull...



    But the workload to keep it up would be beyond me, plus on Drake the planks are relatively thin, and the screws are covered with putty, not bungs, so it's out of the question. Thus on goes the primer.

    Here's the same area as the "before" picture. Looks lousy with one coat.



    So, sand it (sand most of it off, actually), and give it 2 coats.



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    In the meantime, plug away at the yearly jobs, like another coat of varnish on the nameboards....



    Then, called away for a few days to work at the day job, get back as soon as possible to lay on the topcoats, and get back in the water!
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    Nice work.

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    Wonderful to see the hull!! Thanks. Back sailing soon?

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    Thanks, yes, not too long now I hope!

    Dave

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    Fantastic boat. I am curious about the Cypress. Out here in BC wood that is called cypress is actually a yellow cedar. Is it the same there? And if so what type of paint did you end up using and are you happy with the results?

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    Nope, different wood entirely. Drake is planked with old-growth, tight-grain planks cut from the trees found in the Southern USA. "Cypress Gardens" and all that. It can grow in swamps and has a very high resin content. The good part: it's a wood that doesn't rot, much. The bad part: it tends to shed paint. It's also soft, and shows every ding.

    Bald Cypress, Taxodium distichum

    I believe some of this wood was cut during the war in situations which hadn't been commercially viable, but which were needed for the war effort. Later, the surplus came on the market.

    Drake has white oak frames, and live-oak keel structure. (It's why she's still a boat -- very good materials!)

    As for paint, I'm a heretic. I can tell you for a fact, the easiest paint to strip off it was the yacht enamel. Anyplace I had patched it with Home Hardware's Best Exterior Latex, I had a heck of a time.

    All I aim for in finish is clean and smooth and protective. Drake will never be confused with a plastic boat.

    Dave

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    latex paints are making more sense all the time. satin finish hides a lot of sins. the new latex paints have a stretch of up to 300% and it breathes. I dont know anything about long term but so far the only bad thing to say about a good latex on a 55 foot chris of a friend of mine is that it looks dirty sooner than the awlgrip boat its moored beside.

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    Always nice to see Drake.. do you have a cruise planned this season Dave?

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    Hi John,

    No, no real cruise. Just as many short jaunts as possible. I seem to be tasked for more and more Vintage Aircraft flying -- all fun!

    Dave

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    that rail down shot is "off the HOOK". thanks.

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    Thanks!

    Bump, for my insurance person.

    Dave

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    Well, there was a lot more painting I should have finished, but I decided to heck with it -- it's August, and time to put it in the water.

    So, into the travelift...



    Here's a view of her underbody. The main reason this boat is still in one piece 65 years after building is the 3/4 length cast-iron keel. It's not just ballast. It's a foundation (like a house), and stops all movement of the structure. Everything is bolted to that one big casting (9" x 11" x 20'), and since it can't move, neither does the wood, except for expansion and contraction.



    ...and into the water -- gently. (It's been 2 years since all the bottom planks got wet.)
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    The bottom swelled up quickly. Within an hour the flow was down to occasional use of one bilge pump. (But I've had water in the boat up to the floorboards, and in the centerboard trunk, for a month.) It helped that the launching area was full of algae. Clogs up the leaks!

    Then up went the mizzen (the travelift there can't hoist with Drake's mizzenmast up), and away on her own.





    Nice to no longer see large areas of flaking paint!

    Dave
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    I love this thread. Great boat. I hope our ketches cross tacks one fine day.

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    A marvelous vessel!

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    At some point Mr.Hadfield,now that your big cosmetic job on the hull is all done(she looks like new! Bravo!), you're just gonna have to fetch yourself a wee rhum keg from down in "da islands mon" and put your boat right!


    Cheers!

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    The rum keg? She used to have one, in the 70s, when the owner, an airline pilot who flew the Caribbean a lot, could replenish it quickly and cheaply. But back then she was berthed in a yacht club with a night watchman!

    Anyhow, the other day it was a bit windy and cool, and we wanted a snack, and hit upon the idea of "Blowtorch Nachos". These were great! We should have had this idea decades ago!





    They vanished down to the last crumb!

    Dave
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    I can't believe it's been so long since I posted on this thread.

    Update -- Drake spent last season ashore while I spent the season flying A-330s, or the Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawk plus a variety of various vintage warbirds. Simply not enough weeks in the summer while I'm still employed.

    However she was inside, resting well, and in the Fall I moved her to a storage facility near my home. A winter under cover! And as soon as the temp warms up to 10C or so, I will begin some work. She needs some deck repair, for which I've got to peel back the glass and see what damage some fitting-leaks have caused (hull is still perfect). PLus I've got to scrape and paint the port side to match her starboard.

    I look at John B's photos and I get fired-up!

    Dave

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    We're having such a mild winter here (finally) that I'm getting some work done on my ketch. Installed hawsepipes, replaced leech line, now replacing interior hinges and latches.

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    I LOVE large shallow draft cruising sailboats.

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    Here's how she looks now -- dirty-side-out!

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