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    Lang's Beach, Northland, NZ. I just googled it. Superb. (...sigh...)

    Here it has been oddly warm. No snow at all, and a green Christmas in store.

    But I ordered new snowshoes, so it's probably my fault.

    Hmmm.... you've got this...



    And I'm facing this...



    One of these things is not like the other.

    Dave

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    Anyway, that day saw the most severe knockdown we've ever experienced on Drake. After the earlier photo, beam-reaching sweetly with the mizzen staysail up, the wind lightened, and since entering Wingfield Basin in the dark is not prudent, we changed destinations and pointed for the nearer Lion's Head. Then a frontal passage occurred about 2 hours before dark. We were completely "in denial". The forecast said it wouldn't happen for 6 more hours. So, seeing that a thunderstorm on the SW horizon would miss us, we pressed on, trying to make the harbor before dark, under sail.

    Whereupon we got clobbered by a out-of-nowhere gust, and laid down until the starboard coaming board was well awash. Robin said she thought the boat was going over. But fortunately, M. Omer LaFortune of Montreal, the Builder, had, in 1946, calculated the ballast requirement correctly, and she popped back up. After which we dealt with the confusion -- you all know the drill -- and the sticks held, and we motored the last 5 miles into the solid headwind, me sheepishly furling sail.

    Lion's Head is a picturesque little place with a clean, friendly marina. They let us stay at the main fuel dock. (We felt privileged, as if we'd brought a Rolls to a hotel and they let it stay parked opposite the entrance.) And as soon as we were tied up we were invited onto a neighboring ketch for drinks.

    Can't ask for better than that!


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    Here is that keel. It's a casting of iron, the main part being about 14 ft long, and 11 in high and 9 in wide. So, plugging that into an internet weight calculator, that equals 4300 lbs. Plus there is a steel centerboard of about 250 lbs. Plus an extension of the cast iron keel goes aft under the deadwood to the rudder post. It's about 4 in high, 9 in wide, and about 7 ft long -- 782 lbs. Plus there are some lead pigs inside on the framing, perhaps 200 lbs worth. Total 5352 lbs. That's not a lot, for a boat 40 ft LOD, but she is lightly built, and shallow, and so it works.



    Before launch this year I worked on the finish of that keel. It was faired with epoxy, but water had crept under it in places, and there were many blisters where the epoxy was pushing off. I attacked it with an angle-grinder, and then faired and sanded and faired and sanded until I had a good coating, and it was somewhat fair. And in this photo you can also see the "gasket" of 1" Styrofoam which I had laid under the keel so that I could fill the CB trunk next spring -- it seals the slot up tight.



    And here's a shot of that Styrofoam when the boat is lifted away -- you can see the impress of the CB slot.


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    You're living right, Dave!
    A boatless inlander, searching for the meaning of life-aground.

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    Thanks! It's better to be lucky than smart.

    Next morning, we woke to a strong west wind. After fuel, pump out and breakfast in a quaint restaurant, we contemplated how to get a 40 ft ketch under way when pinned by a 20-30 kt on-dock wind, in crowded quarters, while pointed initially in the wrong direction, with no room to back and fill -- and avoid generating newsworthy events. (How To Succeed In Boating: keep you and your vessel out of YouTube.)

    The answer was, as it often is with Drake, to revert back to a former time. I hopped in the dinghy and rowed a 100 ft line across to the upwind slips. Then cleated it off, and positioned a volunteer there. Back on board we cast off, hauled the stern up to that cleat, signaled the person to free us, and then had an easy downwind 90 degree turn to make the channel outbound.

    Heading north up the coast of the Bruce Peninsula, we were prepared for williwaws and hard-edged gusts off the cliffs, with storm jib, double-reefed main, and reefed mizzen. It blew 20-30 kts out of the west, giving us a close-reach. This was grand fun, in the lee of the land: boat speed with sheets started, spray flying, bright sunshine, and 7 kts with no sea and little effort -- a day to remember!

    Rounding Cabot Head we faced the open lake and sea, so doused sail and motored the mile or so to enter Wingfield Basin, punching into 7 ft seas. Mr. Farymann the 23rd performed strongly, Robin lined us up for the 20 ft wide entry channel (jagged hull-killing rocks on either side), we turned abeam the sea, and shot into the harbor like a watermelon seed through wet fingers.

    Wingfield is a beautiful hurricane-hole. The water there is always tranquil no matter what gale is blasting outside. The contrast is always startling -- a frenzy of movement one minute, and zen-like peace the next.



    We anchored in 10 ft of water, with Drake's freshly-cetoled bowsprit pointing to the setting sun.



    And went for a row after supper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hadfield View Post
    Lang's Beach, Northland, NZ. I just googled it. Superb. (...sigh...)

    Here it has been oddly warm. No snow at all, and a green Christmas in store.

    But I ordered new snowshoes, so it's probably my fault.

    Hmmm.... you've got this...



    And I'm facing this...



    One of these things is not like the other.

    Dave
    Picture us about centre right in that photo. Riada and Tucana. We anchored under Bream head ( that point in the distance)for lunch, its dramatic , like a scene from King Kong , or the batcave.....
    The boy you kindly sat in the cockpit of your Kittyhawk is 20 now and running his own classic boat for a local trust. Some how he managed to convince them he should be able to take it Norf this year.

    I like your methods from another age, we're in a tight marina in a non manouverable boat for the next few days, so we'll keep that in the quiver for when we leave, in case.

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    I have entered Wingfield Basin at night, in a NW gale....pretty exciting....way better to enter during the daylight hours. Nice to see photos of my old cruising ground. Thanks

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    I didn't get much posting done at the end of last season, but this year we got launched early.

    The tarps lasted very well. I have a system now of taking a line from one side under the boat to the other, then back through the first bight, then onto a 4L water-filled jug. This never, ever, becomes loose. There's a leverage effect. And, if the tarp stays tight it doesn't flog, and lasts a long time, even polyethylene. (And it doesn't matter that the water freezes.)

    Here's the boat and the travelling toolshed.


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    And then up the mast, to Cetol my way down.

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    I use many Hervey Garrett Smith-isms on Drake. My bosun's-chair is right out of his books. Works really well. I haul the top-block up to the masthead, then pull myself up. No one else needed (unless the line fouls below). My own pace, my own speed, and I can half-hitch myself in a safe stop at any point.

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    It's not a tall mast, but when you're up there it feels QUITE tall enough.



    And with a scrub-pad and dust-brush on one side, and a bucket with a container of Cetol 2,3+ on the other, I scuff, brush, and paint my way down.

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    Anyway, she didn't need too much this year, so in she went while the planks were not yet too loose.



    I've never launched this early -- there had been a snowstorm just a week before and some still lingered between the shaded boats.



    The intake required a big sump-pump initially, as she hung in the straps, but that's normal. In only 3 hours I was able to remove it. And by that evening she was safe to move into a slip.



    Dave

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    Yikes! That is so pretty.

    I mean, just so pretty.

    Peace,
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    I hope you're having a great season sailing ,Dave.
    I just did a wear patch cetol touch up on the cabin coamings. Actually where I'd peeled some masking tape off re sealing the windows. It took 3 . 5 minutes. Sometime near summer when it warms up we'll scotchbrite it and recoat, That should take an hour.

    What is that on the side of your mast, almost a track looking double rib running down it? Is it there to stiffen the section?

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    Yes John, when launched she had jumper struts, but later someone removed them and bolted aluminum U-channel to each side at the top for stiffening. I know it sounds clunky, but it's been sailing like that, with the original sticks, for 40 years or so.

    Cheap fix, but effective. Drake is heavily stayed but lightly sparred.

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    Off on our longest summer cruise, and it lasted 1 overnight. As we motored away from Penetang, lovely hot summer day, just ahead of all the long-weekend traffic, the motor slowly went slower... and slower... and slower... and quit.

    We bobbed around for a bit until the wind rose, then tacked out to an anchorage at Beckwith, anchored under sail of course, and then I investigated...

    Verdict: I Have Been Neglecting My Fuel Filters

    I take a sample from the Racor water separator every day, via a small tap, but the hole in that fixture isn't big enough to let sludge through -- just a trickle of water or fuel. I pulled the filter. YECH!!! And then took stock: I had a spare engine fuel filter, but no spare for the Racor. Bad planning. Totally my fault.

    So we had a sail back next day, a great sail except it was in the wrong direction (!), and picked up the mooring (I leave a 30 ft floating rope on the mooring to make this easy under sail). Then an all-over-town hunt for filters (on the Saturday of a holiday weekend...) and managed to get 3 for the Racor.

    I've never had much luck bleeding fuel systems. I tend to wear out the starter. But then Paul M at the marina showed me his rig for this.

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    Simplicity itself! Nothing but a pressure bulb from an outboard tank line, then a bit of pipe and spurs to enter the fuel lines of your engine. I pulled off the line from the Racor to the engine pump, squeezed away, and after about 6 pumps of air I could actually hear fuel in the return line going back to the tank. Perfect! I cracked the banjo nut at the engine pump to be sure, and yes, fuel squirted out.

    Next, reconnect, hit the starter, and it about 5 seconds it ran!

    Diesel Dave

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    We hope today to replicate this photo, taken just before the Great Filter Failure.

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    Off to buy more ice...

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    Mmm. Georgian Bay.
    we spent the afternoon doing the TYC Regatta.

    Will you be going to the fly in at Edenvale?
    R
    Sleep with one eye open.

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    I'm in the middle of my engine maintenance at the moment, I hate the boat being decommissioned but rebuilt raw water pump , new hoses and bowman bellows on the exchangers. Belts , new oil and filters, new antifreeze. Big clean up under etc.

    I always check my big water trap filter ( which is a Dahl in my case) but it just shows you , I just have never had water in it at all. I change the primary engine fuel filter like I did in the weekend and wonder why I even do it ( last changed 2013) because there's is no sign of water there. The worry is the bug of course, but touch wood , a poison in the fuel and only going to well used pumps seem to keep us free of it. So far. A lot of boats got into deep bug trouble here a few years ago when sulphur was removed from the fuel, that took a while to sort out ... millions in damages paid out.

    But now , would our diesel be better quality or something , or I wonder if its climate related .... more condensation where you are perhaps?

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    Ron, yes I'll be there, with this.

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    Plus I'll be giving a lecture on "Tailwheel 101"

    John, I don't know the answer, but I get a lot of water in the separator. Maybe my tank set-up lends itself to condensation -- we do get temperature extremes. Also, being a 70 year-old boat, the tanks are obviously a retrofit, and unfortunately have flat bottoms, so that it's hard to get all the water -- there is a drain, but no real sump.

    As for gunk, algae seems to grow in this fuel. I put in Conditioner, but maybe I should search instead for an algaecide as well.

    Anyway, good luck with your maintenance.

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    Back on the water, And The Motor Keeps Running! Lovely. It actually sounds better and idles lower, now that we're actually feeding it.

    We sailed out to Beckwith for a start, and had a long run with a quartering tailwind, so naturally I set up the mizen staysail. I use this rig rarely, and for sheeting use a portable, temporary cleat, thus...

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    You can clip it on anywhere and works quite well for light loads. It's made from 3/4 plywood. (I got the design from some book that showed rigging details of an ancient Chinese Junk.)

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    That staysail is just a crappy old bagged-out mizen, probably from the 60s, but it works well in a quartering wind. We gained half a knot, and the boat we'd been matching course with, a CS27, got left behind.

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    At Beckwith (West) it was horribly crowded because it was the August Long Weekend, which in Canada is a great-big-3-day-drunk. That normally quiet anchorage had 70 boats in it, and at least 3 of the larger power boats were blasting disco-crap. (We anchored at the remotest corner of the bay.) But musically things changed, wonderfully, just as it got dark, when someone pulled out a saxophone. He played slow, twisting, lilting jazz, very very well, and the plaintive notes travelled through the calm, across the water, and filled up the bay. After his first number there were loud cheers and he played for half an hour or so. Quite lovely. (I wanted to row over and throw coins in his cockpit. But it would probably plug up the drains, so I didn't.)
    Next day the actual wind didn't remotely match the forecast -- common around here -- and we had to scotch our trip north. Not enough days left for a travelling trip. So we did a roundabout of Hope Island, and had fun daysailing on a perfect summer's day.

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    Followed by anchoring off Hope Island, amidst a select group (none of whom play disco crap).

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    Hope is a wilderness island, which is Chippewa property, and thus is unspoilt, and hospitable.

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    Shore walk, sand and boulders and pure clear fresh water...

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    Bugger is it just me that's not seeing those pics. The story sounds great and I'm guess so do the pics.
    Zane

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    Really? All I have is my iPad, and am using Postimage as a photo host. I thought it was a solution.

    Can anyone see them?

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    Well, the photos come up on our other devices, so I'll keep posting.

    The open water of the Upper Lakes is wonderfully clear now. The shadow of the dinghy can be seen on the bottom in about 20 ft of water.



    Out for another daysail, a roundabout of Beckwith, light airs, warm sun...




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    Then back into Hope for another evening of blessed peace at anchor.

    I went out at sunset for a few pictures.







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    thanks for these posts
    lovely boat and thread
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Yeep, Its cold , raining and miserable in Dismalia right now. I like where you are better.

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    Very likeable indeed!

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    Thanks! It's great to have a cloud-log as well as a paper one...

    This swim stage was a life-saver in the 30c+ temperatures. Here it is clipped onto the lifeline to keep it dry, but in use we lower it down and clip it to the stanchion bases.



    Here is one from Robin on the day of the "Great Filter Foul-Up".



    Our last night out -- lovely pink sunset light...



    And back on the mooring. The steel ship behind is the Georgian Queen, ex passenger excursion boat, currently for sale -- and in good shape, although not at all fitted out as a yacht.



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    We've had a number of sails, but most notable was a 3-day with the grandson of the Builder. M. Jean-Francois B, and his lady Genevieve. We have corresponded ever since we met in the North Channel years ago, on separate boats, but this was the first time our schedules had coincided.



    He is a very experienced sailor; last year he sailed his cabin multi-hull to Les Iles de Madeleine in the Gulf -- significant water. And Genevieve, new to sailing, proved to have a very solid stomach -- bonus! So we sailed to Hope Island, tacking all day against a NW breeze, reefed and heeling.

    Great conversation along the way -- stories of his Grandparents and the family memories of their early voyages, plus boats we've sailed and places we've sailed them. Then, wanting to motor upwind the last mile to the anchorage at Hope, we started the diesel. And the Farymann ran quite well, but refused to pee out the exhaust. I checked, as I always do, hanging over the stern rail. Nope. No water coming out.

    So, shut down (to avoid melting the exhaust components) and took off the engine cover. Started again -- the pump was turning. So, shut down. Then pulled off the outlet hose. Started again -- no water coming out. Ahah! Probably the impeller.

    On deck, the tacking had continued. I was faced with a choice: leave them to sail the boat while I stayed below and replaced the impeller under way? Or sail upwind to the anchorage, drop the hook, and fix it then?

    I elected the former -- there is a swell that comes into Hope in a NW wind and I wanted to get close to shore in a little nook to anchor, to avoid rolling during the night, and that is best done under power.

    So, vowing sternly to myself To-Not-Drop-Any-Screws-Into-The-Bilge, I got on my knees -- again! -- and took off the jabsco pump. Removing the back plate, sure enough!, the impeller was missing a third of its vanes, and 5 of them were plugging the outlet pipe. So, a little surgery, a little back-flush; some water-pump grease, a new impeller, transfer the old drive-pin to the new part (good thing I had a set of Allen wrenches), more grease, re-assemble, back on the motor, adjust the belt, and voila! -- we have irrigation!

    Followed by the hook, a steak dinner, a modicum of whiskey, then a music session on deck at sunset; uke-and-guitar.

    Dave

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    Lovely summer morning -- coffee on deck, eggs, fruit, then an expedition to the beach.






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    Later we motored in a calm back to Beausoleil...



    ...and anchored with a large number of boats, choosing that spot due to thunderstorms in the forecast. Obviously the other boats did that too for the same reasons, but surprisingly everyone was on his best behavior. We had another very pleasant evening.

    I confirmed that any plans used in the construction of Drake vanished long ago. The Grandfather, M. LaFortune, may have stretched a set of plans he had for a 30-footer, modified by all he'd read and observed during the 1930s and '40s. I showed J-F my copy of "The Good Little Ship" by Vincent Gilpin, and we spoke of how Drake resembled Ralph Munroe's designs. I made clear all the things that had been done right in her design and construction, plus what had evolved over the decades. J-F pulled out 2 family photo albums, and we pored over the old black-and-whites of the ketch's early days.

    Sunday morning we got under way early -- they faced a long drive back to Montreal -- and a flat calm turned into a nice breeze, and we tacked our way back to Penetang.



    Very pleasant little trip! Full of remembering for both of us. And very good company.



    Dave
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    It is nice to vicariously return to my old cruising ground. Sailed out of Meaford, either working up the Bruce or across to Christian Island and working up the north east shore. Thanks.

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    Last cruise of the year, probably. A bit cold, 12C, but sunny and pleasant. I was the only sailboat on the lake yesterday -- and there are about 4000 slips within 10 miles. And I'm the only boat at anchor. (Boy are those other people all crazy...)

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    No one here but loons and mergansers...

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    The Secret Weapon.

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    Beautiful. You got that right!

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    Sunrise on The Shore With Stovepipe

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    I guess I waited until the last possible day to get the boat out and tarped (yesterday). Winter has arrived -- the Gales of November. Right now it's gusting to 48 kts at the Western Islands, and the seas are being reported at 3.7 meters.

    In fact the power keeps going out here at home. These have been in periodic use this evening.



    Three days ago I took the final cruise of the year -- motored from the mooring into the boat-lift slip. Always the most bitter-sweet journey of the sailing year!



    Then I winterized the motor and we pulled the mizzen (it isn't the largest travelift), and ended up on the hard... sigh...


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    Then a diversion -- probably the last chance I'd have this season to move an old biplane -- a DH83 Fox Moth. I flew it from Grand Valley to Ottawa (after a summer of work being done on it).


    matt Watson

    A friend saw me off...


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    Pete L met me yesterday morning and we got Drake covered. The rain started just as we arrived and continued steadily until just after we left. (Figures...) And the temp dropped from 12C to 4C. But at least the wind held off. (All those people who put away their boats when the weather is nice -- are they ever crazy!)

    This is one of the times I find Drake's 46 ft sparred length inconvenient. Lots of tarp!





    But it's all quite do-able. I know it looks a bit funny -- all those water jugs -- but I find they really work well. If you take the line from a tarp grommet on one side and run it under the boat, through a grommet on the other side, and then weigh it with a jug, it works its way as tight as possible all winter and never lets up.

    Tarp Saving Tip -- when a grommet tears out, don't buy a fancy replacement unit. Just poke a small round pebble into the fabric, and then work a constrictor-knot around it. Tie a loop in the end of that. This is far stronger than the grommet the tarp came with, although a bit ugly.


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    Default Re: Drake -- 40' LOD Munroe-influenced ketch

    This is what it turned into today...


    from Simcoe Today

    Summer on Friday, rain on Saturday, Winter on Sunday...

    Oh well; at least I squeezed everything I could out of the season.

    Dave

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    Drake is buried in snow of course. Everything is buried in snow around here.

    But my brother was going through the family albums the other day and unearthed this...



    This is the first powerboat my Dad bought, in about 1965. It's a Peterborough Playboy, 14ft I believe. We had a green 25hp Johnson on it at first, then that 40 hp Merc. We used it harder than we should have, and sold it when the transom started coming away from the hull.

    I learned to ski behind it, and slalom. The photo is a typical summer morning at the cottage, with both brothers and friends. (I'm the tall skinny guy. And I had the hots for the girl in the white cap that summer...)
    Last edited by Dave Hadfield; 02-16-2017 at 02:08 PM.

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    Default Re: Drake -- 40' LOD Munroe-influenced ketch

    A simple clove hitch on the pebble works well too. I rarely use the grommets on tarps, just go straight to the pebble to stake them out. I do use the grommets to stretch the tarp on a ridgeline, but that is a very low-stress service, if done correctly.

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