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    Latest progress is putting the frames and floor on the keel.
    I am using the sheer strake to have something to hold them in place. I am checking the frame alignment by laying a plank over the frames to make sure they are aligned correctly.

    Each station is about 1-7/8 apart and there are two additional frames between each station.
    The first photo is the place my last thread left off at.
    The 2nd bulkhead from the bow, is #8 and it is temporary. It will be removed.
    Last edited by donald branscom; 09-09-2010 at 09:43 AM. Reason: photo explanation
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    The framing continues.
    I added the two bottom(Garboard planks) to make framing much easier.
    Also I am putting in the floors.
    On the real boat the frames are secured to the keel with bronze angle iron.
    I love the smell of fresh cut plywood in the morning.

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    Absolutely amazing. beautiful work.
    There's the plan, then there's what actually happens.

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    This is an amazing bit of work and attention to detail. I look forward to each installment.

    If I may request that instead of starting a new thread for each update, just keep updateing this one that way we have a great chronicle all in one place.
    "The desire to build a house is the tired wish of a man content thenceforward with a single anchorage. The desire to build a boat is the desire of youth, unwilling yet to accept the idea of a final resting place." -Arthur Ransome

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBSebens View Post
    Absolutely amazing. beautiful work.
    Thanks for the compliments.
    That 50 inch Trimaran must take a big lake to operate on!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidagage View Post
    This is an amazing bit of work and attention to detail. I look forward to each installment.

    If I may request that instead of starting a new thread for each update, just keep updateing this one that way we have a great chronicle all in one place.
    I will stick with this 2nd thread then David.
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    The prop shaft has been installed and framing is continuing.
    I had to build up the floors to the proper level.
    Will need to recheck again when building the interior furniture.
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    I bet you'd tie WICKED flies!

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    Today I received a box of beautiful milled wood from Jim Ledger.
    It was milled for the size that I can use for the model I am building.
    There were 3 bundles.
    There was the size i can use for planking and I mean it was PERFECT!
    It was .095 thousandths thickness and was better than any hobby shop offers!
    After sanding it will be just right for the hull planking.
    There were 1/8 strips too and some wide planks.
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    A model making tip/trick.
    I use finger sanding boards and they are very handy for getting into hard to reach parts of a model.
    You can even cut them with a scissors to any shape you want. They have a coarse grit on one side and a fine grit on the opposite side.
    They come in different lengths and widths.
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    One frame left and one floor.
    This photo shows me marking the cabin house on the deck beams.
    This will help me to locate some of the interior components.
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    Now the curved plank can be used to establish the cabin house sides.

    I am afraid to bend it any more today because it took four tries to get a plank that would not break. I used hot water and was very careful too. Anyway this one can sit until tommorrow and get used to the idea. LOL
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    Wow! That's looking real good. I wish I had the time to consider one. I would love to build a model of the Marsh Cat from Joel White.
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    Installed the first sheer plank and blocking between deck beams for the mast.
    Also cabin sides.
    The deck beams will be cut where the main salon is located, once the support for the side decks are installed.
    Then the cabin sole can be installed.
    Glad those frames are finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Thanks for the compliments.
    That 50 inch Trimaran must take a big lake to operate on!!
    Less than you'd think, but it does take some space... Though our boats are nowhere near as detailed as your projects. You do amazing work.
    There's the plan, then there's what actually happens.

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    Thanks BBSebens!
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    Donald, how did you figure out the curves to each of the frames? Did you take measurements off plans, and then make forms to bend the frames to them? I have an inclination to try something like this, so that 'd be nice for me to learn. Nice model work there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBudd View Post
    Donald, how did you figure out the curves to each of the frames? Did you take measurements off plans, and then make forms to bend the frames to them? I have an inclination to try something like this, so that 'd be nice for me to learn. Nice model work there!
    Once the boat is lofted and the lines are drawn (you can use the offsets to draw the lines),
    then you will have a drawing of the frame.
    I was lucky because I got the plans and all I had to do was cut out the drawings of the frames.
    Had to make 10 copies of the drawing of the frames. So I could cut them out.
    Don't forget those lines are the OUTSIDE of the hull.
    There were 10 stations(frames) in this model and the there were intermediate frames.
    I did not draw out the intermediates. Instead I just made extra frames and cut them to the proper size by checking how e lay with a riband or flat board. On the real boat you could just draw them on the lofting.

    There were two intermediates between all the frames except one.
    So if I was making the intermediate between frame #7 and frame #8 you could make one from a copy of #8 and one from a copy of#7.

    Anyway this model is NOT for a beginner.
    You could get plans for other Catboats that have sawn frames with plywood construction.
    To sum up: You trace the frames onto the wood and cut the wood to match the pattern.

    Photo above shows steamed frames.
    Actually the method was soak the wood overnight, Put in microwave for 20 seconds.- Soft.
    If I put them in the micro wave for 30 seconds they would get hard.
    I actually tried 2 or three different methods before getting to this method..
    Last edited by donald branscom; 09-18-2010 at 01:09 PM.
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    Thanks. Much as suspected, or at least how I'd probably do it if head was scratched long and hard enough. Nice work that looks like fun. Now, how are you going to fix your planks to the ribs? With little brass pins or epoxy on the inside? And for sealing the plank-to-plank joinery, epoxy or...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBudd View Post
    Thanks. Much as suspected, or at least how I'd probably do it if head was scratched long and hard enough. Nice work that looks like fun. Now, how are you going to fix your planks to the ribs? With little brass pins or epoxy on the inside? And for sealing the plank-to-plank joinery, epoxy or...?
    I just use yellow carpenters wood glue.
    It is a display model.
    Some times I use Devcon 5 minute epoxy.
    I have models that are 10 years old and they are still good.


    Any model that goes in the water MUST have the hull covered with fiberglas resin and cloth.
    If you do not believe me you will pay the price.
    What happens is that any water or moisture that gets on the model, or in the model, will cause the planks to warp and they will be all ruined , twisted , and bulging.
    I know from experience.
    I thought a good paint job etc would be enough for a short period in the water-WRONG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    One frame left and one floor.
    This photo shows me marking the cabin house on the deck beams.
    This will help me to locate some of the interior components.

    Just curious Donald,but did you put the main bulkhead in reversed as it appears in the photo that a passenger would have to step over the stove to enter the cabin............


    Inspiring work!

    Cheers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan View Post
    Just curious Donald,but did you put the main bulkhead in reversed as it appears in the photo that a passenger would have to step over the stove to enter the cabin............


    Inspiring work!

    Cheers!


    Peter
    Yes, I did reverse the bulkhead layout.
    I will be changing all of the interior.
    Just as if I was building the boat for myself.
    I will not have a coal stove in this design.
    Also the setee is overly large unless the owner likes to take out families on the boat.
    Last edited by donald branscom; 09-19-2010 at 03:25 PM.
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    I thought I would be a little more informative on this thread about the model making steps.
    I am beginning to attach the outside hull planking.

    The planking starts with the sheer plank and then the garboard plank.

    You plank alternating from one side to the other-port then starboard etc.,.
    The planking starts from garboard up and sheer plank down until you meet in the middle.
    The last plank is the shutter plank.

    You measure the plank and devide into the amount of space to eliminate a weird shutter,(last plank).

    Some other boat designs may be different.
    On this boat Ted Brewer must have worked it out, because it looks like an even number of planks.
    I let each plank dry for at least 4 hours before removing clamps.
    If I am leaving something out please jump in and tell us, as I am not an expert on this part of wood boat construction.

    This is that wonderful wood given to me by Jim Ledger. I think it is Spanish Cedar.
    BTW these little plastic multi-colored clamps come from Harbor Freight. Not available from Home Depot.
    Perfect for model making. Stronger than clothes pins too.
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    Donald -- Thanks for continuing with the steps of building. My plans might include building a Balmain Bug model this winter. IF I have time and inclination. The Balmain Bug is a sailing model from Australia, previously discussed on the WB Forum. Check out this website:

    http://anmm.wordpress.com/2009/10/28...ke-a-comeback/

    While most all of these models have been carved (and thus eliminating the warping problem you mentioned when thin planked models hit the water), my thoughts are to indeed build one with a keel, frames, planks. I want to do this because I know I'll never build a full size boat that way, so it'll be my chance to go through the process in miniature.

    I'm more into building models for the building and for looking at them rather than sailing them but the temptation to sail one might well arise. Your suggestion on f'glass and epoxy might appeal although the hull shape won't take cloth readily. Perhaps applying the cloth/epoxy on the inside of the hull might work -- small strips between frames.
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    Donald -- Here's a link to a planked Balmain Bug --

    http://www.huntersandcollectorsantiq...=1&category=45

    This is a 24" model, brass pinned cedar planking. 12" large enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBudd View Post
    Donald -- Thanks for continuing with the steps of building. My plans might include building a Balmain Bug model this winter. IF I have time and inclination. The Balmain Bug is a sailing model from Australia, previously discussed on the WB Forum. Check out this website:

    http://anmm.wordpress.com/2009/10/28...ke-a-comeback/

    While most all of these models have been carved (and thus eliminating the warping problem you mentioned when thin planked models hit the water), my thoughts are to indeed build one with a keel, frames, planks. I want to do this because I know I'll never build a full size boat that way, so it'll be my chance to go through the process in miniature.

    I'm more into building models for the building and for looking at them rather than sailing them but the temptation to sail one might well arise. Your suggestion on f'glass and epoxy might appeal although the hull shape won't take cloth readily. Perhaps applying the cloth/epoxy on the inside of the hull might work -- small strips between frames.
    I would not try to put the epoxy and cloth on the inside!
    Just put it on the outside and you can stretch it tight and put clothes pins on it or use pieces.
    Then when dry add another coat or two of epoxy and sand until smooth. Then paint.
    Just trim the cloth even with the deck (after it is dry), and put a piece of trim over it.
    BTW....I looked at that Balmain Bug . It is very strange. Sorry but that is what I thought.
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    very nice work.
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    Thanks WX!!
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    Getting back to that Balmain Bug.....

    Two feet overall and the story is that these boats are getting popular AGAIN???

    Interesting.

    Check out the bat in the photo LOL
    Wierd boat ,weird house and .... Lets not go there HAhhahahhhaha
    Just hav'n a little fun with it.
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    Just want to say thanks for sharing your model building with us. Great work, what do you us for glue?

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    Hunky Dory,

    Read post #20.

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    Thanks for the interest Hunky Dory.
    The forum members have you pointed in the right direction.

    Yellow carpenters glue mostly and occasionally Devcon 5 minute epoxy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donald branscom View Post
    Getting back to that Balmain Bug.....

    Two feet overall and the story is that these boats are getting popular AGAIN???

    Interesting.

    Check out the bat in the photo LOL
    Wierd boat ,weird house and .... Lets not go there HAhhahahhhaha
    Just hav'n a little fun with it.
    Dondald -- Since I was in Australia, having spent some weeks in Queensland, I've an appreciation of their design sense which is different from that in the US. So I like the Balmain Bug (and have eaten real "bugs" down in Brisbane--delicious seafare that can be coupled with Australian wine to great delight...). Also have an older Aussie fishing reel that is made of wood, an enormous device that inspires one to keep on fishing. And I greatly admire the works of many fine thinking Australian architects.

    But back to the issue of epoxy on outside: will try it out if/when I get there. Thanks for advice. And keep on posting images of your catboat model!

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    Thanks for showing us the process. I'm enjoying seeing the model progress.

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    Im just going to throw this into the fray.

    Our models are all sealed with epoxy. No glass. But our boats are made from plywood, except the one that is strip planked, and it is well encased with epoxy. However, our boats are very simple hull shapes, and are designed primarily for sailing performance, and not to accurately depict a large scale yacht.
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