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    My work takes me to many different parts of Vietnam so I thought I'd post some pictures of the variety of boats that I've come across over the last couple of years. They're not all great boats but some are, I think. A few weeks ago a forum member was also expressing interest in working sampans. I'm not sure how many of these would qualify as sampans but I'm sure they're close. If there's a bit of interest, I'll post a few from each area every few days or so. These are from Hai Phong, an area just south of Ha Long Bay in the north of Vietnam:







    This last one has a hull of woven bamboo sealed with tar. These are common around Ha Long in this oval shape and with the wooden frame on top. This one is in the channel between Hai Phong and Cat Ba Island, which forms the southern edge of Ha Long Bay. The boat above it belongs to one of many floating villages off Cat Ba Island. These raft villages consist almost entirely of floating fish farms. The fishing boats mainly catch fish, squid and so on to use for food for the fish grown in the farms. Rick
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    This little school doesn't really qualify as a wooden boat I guess but I thought some of you might be interested in it anyway. It's often too rough and usually too expensive for these raft village children to travel into the town of Cat Ba to attend school so this little `satellite' school was set up to ensure that these children attend school at least 4 times per week. Rick
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    I've seen boats like your first example in the Philippines - used by refugees and then abandoned.
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    From China and Vietnam I'd guess Andrew? Rick

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    Specifically Vietnam - although in the second wave (post -79) of boat people they did tend to be ethnically Chinese!

    What struck me is how long the abandoned boats survived in a tropical climate.

    Many more of them are at the bottom of the South China Sea as many more refugees were picked up at sea (and the boat either abandoned or sunk as a hazard)
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    The basic control when I was last there was that you needed written government permission to purchase a marine engine, and permission to install it in a boat.....
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    I thought of this: www.vietnamboats.org

    I know that the founder of this group died not long ago in an accident on a local highway. But the site is still running and they have a lot of links and info.
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    Thanks Bob. I wasn't aware of this site or the foundation. Very interesting! Rick

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    Great pictures, Rick. This promises to be a great thread.


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    Here's a couple taken at the National Maritime Museum - at the Sydney Woodenboat Festival in 2004. I'm fairly sure (hey, this was five years ago) that these are both boats used by Vietnamese refugees fleeing to Oz.



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    Thank you for the photos Rick.

    Please keep them coming.

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    I'm fairly sure (hey, this was five years ago) that these are both boats used by Vietnamese refugees fleeing to Oz.
    Thanks Ian. I remember seeing these boats at that show too and I think you're right that these were used by Vietnamese or possibly Cambodian refugees. I'm pretty sure though that the second boat (at least) isn't Vietnamese - it looks more like an Indonesian style of boat - maybe someone else with more knowledge of SE Asian boats will chip in here? Rick

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    I can't find much info on the anmm.gov.au site. They list the Tu Do - which I'm pretty sure is that first photo I posted



    When Tu Do arrived in Darwin, NT, on 21 November 1977, the 31 Vietnamese refugees crowded on board hoped for a better life in Australia - symbolised by the vessel's name, 'Freedom'. 'Boat -people' often fled the turmoil of Indochina in simple coastal fishing craft like this one, unsuited to the long ocean voyage. Those on Tu Do were lucky - evading pirates in the gulf of Thailand and surviving violent storms at sea.
    Tu Do has elements of traditional junk hull construction. The museum located the late Tan Thanh Lu who built the boat to escape Vietnam with his family. He and his family have provided advice on restoring Tu Do to its appearance when it arrived in Darwin.
    Length: 19.4 m
    Beam: 5.2 m
    Draft: 1.8 m
    Propulsion: Jinil 3JDM diesel, 34kW
    Construction: Carvel planked on sawn frames and planked /bulkheads using local Vietnamese timbers
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    Thanks again Ian. I'll bet you're right about your first photo being the Tu Do (pronounce that one as doo zaw) - I didn't realise it was a photo of just the forward section before - duh! It's interesting reading the commentary by the museum about the unsuitability of these boats for ocean voyages. The South China Sea's coasts have been almost depleted of fish so boats that still look pretty much like this one are venturing further and further out in search of fish these days, spending weeks at sea. You have to wonder how many are lost each time there's a typhoon or other major storm. The numbers would have to be high but, on the other hand, very, very many of these boats have survived the typhoons at sea too. Rick

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    Sorry Rick. I didn't realise I had a full hull shot.... here she is in the background

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Very much Indonesian Rick and thanks for the photos ...I know very little of Vietnam .
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    I think you might be wrong on this one Ian, didn't the museum aquire this one from the Mollucca Islands or somewhere ?
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    Whatever the case... these are great pictures and it's nice to learn a bit more about this stuff.

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    Dunno guys... it was 2004, and I just wandered by with a camera. Don't want to drift Ricks thread. It isn't shown on their site now.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Well, as promised, every now and again I'll post some more pictures of Vietnamese boats. These are all from Mui Ne, a cape just north of Phan Thiet on the South-Central Coast, between Nha Trang and Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). This fleet is quite large but there are many of this size in VN. The fleet just down the coast at Phan Thiet would rival this one for size. Nearly all these boats are operational. When flying into these areas with large fishing fleets at night, you get the impression of flying over a city of lights until you realize the lights are too evenly spaced to be on land - they're boats out at sea. From the beach at Mui Ne or Da Nang, or many other places, the horizon out to sea glows at night from the number of boats, again giving the impression of a city out there. The bamboo boats in the south always seem to be sealed with lacquer rather than the tar or pitch that is more common in the north. Boats on the central and southern coasts always have the eyes painted on the bow - there are various explanations for this but the `so the boat can find the way home' explanation seems to be the most consistent. I do suspect there's a deeper meaning but I haven't quite got there yet! Rick





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    Chao tam biet!

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    thanks RFNK
    My sampan is coming along.
    just put the frames in and the plankings at the turn of the bilge. I have been dithering on some detail's but those have now been done. since I am using my old shop scrap for the build planking has been somewhat slow mostly because i have narrow widths. the next 4 planks are 8 inches wide so it will move pretty quick now.

    so far the sampan has cost me 300$ in a couple planks that o wanted wide and full length (garboards), and SS screws.
    its a fun project.

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    I went looking for the specifics of a book I remembered (exact title and author) that might be of interest to those contributing to or following this thread - "The Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze," by G.R.G. Worcester. You can find it used via most of the online book vendors, although it's become very pricey.
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    Hello gentlemen,

    It has been a long time since I last "came" here, but I shall not complain about being (still) busy - hence my few visits - since I actually came to see if anyone was talking about the so many recent bankruptcies of yards and boat equipment suppliers, the catastrophic situation in which we are in the whole yachting (an shipping!) world: Royal Denship, Jongert, Couach, Boater's World: all gone! Feretti and Rodriguez almost down, as well as Beneteau.... ..and so many large shipyards...

    But then I stumbled on RFNK's thread. Thanks for posting these pretty pictures! I specially like the one of the boat with the green deck!

    The fishing/ boatbuilding industry is severely hit here too. As RFNK mentionned: there has been such an overfishing, not only by vietnamese fisherman (whose main mistake is to fish too small fish) but also by large foreign fleets that have in a very short time depleted the offshore waters of the reproducers! Now, most of the boats you see on RFNK's pictures are....house boats! There is practically no new wooden boat building in the whole country now, and even repair yards close down as boat owners cannot afford repairs.

    In Mui Ne though, as he mentionned, and other places, many are still active, and the night horizon is just a line of lights! Alas far from what it was just ten years ago...

    I shall definitely come back to post her whenever I have some time in hand, as it seems to draw interest. There is a LOT to say about Vietnam boats. See you guys

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    Re: the eyes at the bow. I read somewhere (a Tom Colvin book?) that fishermen painted eyes that looked down into the sea so the boat could find the fish. Other vessels have them looking forward so as to avoid navigational hazards. When I painted the eyes on my Gazelle I followed the latter practice.
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    Very interesting thread. Please keep the photos coming.

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    Thank you for the photos and comments. It is inspiring to see how little it actually takes to be on the water.

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    While my work takes me all over Vietnam, I nevertheless spend most of my time in and around Hanoi. Hanoi is surrounded by water, as it's located in the Red River Delta, and, as it's low-lying and flat, there are many ponds and lakes - all shallow. There aren't too many wooden boats around Hanoi but there are many boats, so I hope these are interesting at least. I'll top this up in a day or two as there are some interesting barges I want to add but I want to find out what they're actually made from first!

    In spring, the lotuses begin to bloom so te lotus blossom collectors go to work each morning collecting the flowers in these little woven bamboo boats. They paddle them with little paddles that look life ping-pong bats or just push along with a pole:



    The entire Red River Delta has barges like these shifting sand, gravel and clay around. The Me Kong Delta is full of wooden barges but nearly all the barges I've seen in the Red River are steel. Samuel Plimsoll may not be too impressed with some of the loading practices. While the river is generally free of waves, the current can be really severe so you really have to wonder about these tolerances.








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    The sampan communities in the Red River Delta lead very tough lives. The river floods nearly every year but also dries out a lot each year too, leaving these people stranded in bywaters surrounded by putrid mud.





    The ferries that cross the many branches of the delta are gradually being replaced by a network of huge bridges but there are still a few around.



    And, Vietnam, being a romantic place, has lots of these swan boats. They're not wooden either - sorry, but they are quite nice ... Rick


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    Those laden barges are a nightmare waiting to happen - and it would happen rapidly....

    I remember being in a 16' boat in Vanuatu and I couldn't see enough to count everyone on board, but it was at least 25 of us.....
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    Hi Rick. I just love that rudder. The guard over the prop must be in case someone falls off the stern.
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    There's quite a big wooden boatyard in Vung Tau. I'll send some photos from there in the next edition.

    As seen all over SE Asia, the waterways are pretty much clogged up with debris, old nets, vines, water plants etc. so prop. guards are common to prevent entanglement and damage. Throughout SE Asia you also see boats with the engine and prop. shaft mounted on a swivelling hinge on the transom so that the prop. and shaft can be lifted quickly over any obstacle. I'll include plenty of shots of this arrangement too.

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    As mentioned in the last lot of photos, here are some Hanoi barges. They're mostly made of cement - I thought perhaps ferro-cement at first but the `restoration project' in the first photo suggests to me that there probably isn't much ferro! I suspect the framing/reinforcing is mostly timber and bamboo. Some of the barges are steel.

    These barges carry ceramics (mostly pots) from villages just downstream from Hanoi to the river bank in the photos. This bank serves as a warehouse through the year, building up a very large stock of pots and other ceramics which are sold off just before Tet (Vietnamese New Year). Some of the stock is sold through the year as well - most visitors to Hanoi will have seen people with huge baskets of ceramics making their way on bicycles into the city each morning from this area in the north of the city, and then plying their way back again, seemingly with the same heavy load, each evening.

















    Vung Tau boatyard next time. Rick
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    After boring you all with cement barges and fibreglass pedal boats, I thought I'd better get back to some wooden boats. These are at Vung Tau - a large city at the mouth of the Me Kong, about an hour's fast ferry ride from Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). The shots are nearly all from one of several boatyards in Vung Tau. My wife says this boatyard reminds her of our front yard in Australia ... Rick












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