Canoe Yawl Association

[Dick Wynne]

Some pals and I think the canoe yawl belongs as much to the future as to the past, and have invested some time & effort to give it more prominence. Have a look here: www.canoeyawl.org and let us know what you think -- we may just be nuts.



I am away sailing with Thad for 2 weeks from Sunday 1 August (hope to meet some Forumites at the ERR) but my co-conspirator John Hobson (not yet a Forumite) will be manning the new site and managing its own forum etc in my absence. Apologies in advance if anyone has problems getting registered on it.

[Dave Gray]

Looks great, I hope it takes off!

[peter radclyffe]

thanks Dick

[Dick Wynne]

...If you'd like to PM a suitable email address to me I'd be happy to dig through my collection and send you what I have....

Thanks Tony and others! I am PM-ing you Tony. Do you (or anyone else here) have any knowledge of the fleet of Holmes' Ethels built by Pete Turner of Goolwa in the 1980s? His website (Gnat River Boats) no longer works (but I can see his yard on Google Streetview!). I may have to phone him if he's still around in person.

[mizzenman]

Great site!

Love the Designs section!

[Dick Wynne]

Thanks mizzenman,

Are you in Sweden? What do you know about the sailing canoe scene around Stockholm? I think there is a story there judging by an old magazine article by John Leather. The boats are quite robust, about 1.6m+ in beam I think, and are more CYs than sailing canoes I suspect. My son lives in Uppsala so I should investigate next time I am over. I somehow missed the examples in the Maritime Museum last time I was there - I was distracted by the lunatic war galleys.

[Duncan Gibbs]

The Ethels look lovely: Mr Sibley will be well interested I dare say. Just registered on your forum! Terrific site Mr Wynne! Well done!!

[Brian Palmer]

What a great idea!

I would like to nominate two additional designs: William Gardners "Eel" and Steve Redmond's "Elver."

Brian

[PeterSibley]

Thank you Dick , I've been comparing canoe yawl all evening !

[Dick Wynne]

What a great idea!

I would like to nominate two additional designs: William Gardners "Eel" and Steve Redmond's "Elver."

Brian

Yes Garden's EEL came to mind about 0300 but it was time to get some shut-eye, I'll include it tonight, also ELVER, which looks lovely from the WL up, I wrestle with that sawn-off bottom though, but I do believe she goes OK ! And what the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve over.

[Canoez]

Excellent!

It would be nice to know where plans/lines for the boats you are showing are available from.

[Dick Wynne]

Excellent!

It would be nice to know where plans/lines for the boats you are showing are available from.

Yes that'll be there too as I get the time, I was going for qty over quality of info, initially !

[willmarsh3]

Great idea for a website. I hope this takes off and becomes a preeminent source of information about these boats.

What a great idea!

I would like to nominate two additional designs: William Gardners "Eel" and Steve Redmond's "Elver."

Brian

I'd like to second Brian's nomination of these two designs.

[James McMullen]

Do open boats ever count? I certainly feel a kinship with the likes of Siri, despite lacking a deck on Rowan.

[Dick Wynne]

Do open boats ever count? I certainly feel a kinship with the likes of Siri, despite lacking a deck on Rowan.

Well I knew this would come up! I share your love of Iain's Nordic-inspired open boats, but to admit them would open the floodgates and destroy the identity of the site and association (if it takes off). I am no naval architect, but they are different beasts really. The CY was originally a development of the sailing canoe for more bracing conditions than they could handle, and being at least part-decked, and with the typical sections it has, was integral to its character. The CY, to me at least, represents a certain atmosphere, even eccentricity, which could make for a distinctive community, and I would not want to dilute that.

BTW Iain is a member of the Albert Strange Assoc and loves CYs (which of course inspired Eun na Mara). He also has the hots for Strange's Hawk Moth design, and once tried to persuade me to go halves with him on Richardson of Dublin's tweaked version of Sheila II, called Charm, when she came on the market a few years back. I decided to stay married, and Charm is now in gorgeous condition and hoovers up the silverware regularly in the English East Coast Old Gaffers programme, with her owners the Hills. Iain is not an online person (or keeps quiet about it) but I'll let him know about the CYA and we may get him on board.

There must be many, many more Oughtred open boats in the world than CYs - don't they have a club of their own? The paradox is, of course, their owners, like those of CYs, probably tend to be an independent breed, so maybe an association of them is a contradiction in terms - we'll see !

[Thorne]

Yes Garden's EEL came to mind about 0300 but it was time to get some shut-eye, I'll include it tonight, also ELVER, which looks lovely from the WL up, I wrestle with that sawn-off bottom though, but I do believe she goes OK ! And what the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve over.

Check out this thread on Elver, where Steve Redmond responds on post #20 with a clear and succinct explanation of why he went with the flat bottom, and how it makes sense once the displacement for the design was set -
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...ighlight=elver

[James McMullen]

Well then, please consider me a comrade in spirit! I may end up with a decked canoe-yawl yet if I decide I need a sleep-aboard beachable cruising boat.

[Lew Barrett]

I was in northern California last week and saw one of our illustrious member's quite customized canoe yawl. A beautiful construction, we sat in the cockpit (ashore) and made whistling (wind) sounds. A great class of boats.

[Don Kurylko]

CYA member #9 here, Dick. I really think you are on to something. Best of luck!

Don

[Dick Wynne]

CYA member #9 here, Dick. I really think you are on to something. Best of luck!

Don

Many thanks Don. Often admired your Alaska & Myst, both so right-looking; the former appeals to my pulling inclinations, I sold a Montague Whaler last summer and the pounds are creeping back on. I have always wondered why no-one did the CY thing before, given the perennial interest on the WBF and elsewhere. We'll give it our best shot and see who and what come out of the woodwork!

[Dave Lesser]

Great site, Mr Wynne. Thanks for setting it up. And thanks for including Paul Gartside's design #160. Although that's pushing the definition of canoe yawl, Wenda and Rozinante were the inspiration for her development.

[mizzenman]

Thanks mizzenman,

Are you in Sweden? What do you know about the sailing canoe scene around Stockholm? I think there is a story there judging by an old magazine article by John Leather. The boats are quite robust, about 1.6m+ in beam I think, and are more CYs than sailing canoes I suspect. My son lives in Uppsala so I should investigate next time I am over. I somehow missed the examples in the Maritime Museum last time I was there - I was distracted by the lunatic war galleys.

No I recently moved to Norway for career reasons.

The sailing canoes in Sweden have developed into small campeable racing sloops. However some yawl riged ones stil exist.
In the lighter winds of the east coast there is a preference for the E-class, which is unbalasted and slightly beamy.

The canoe sailing club of stocholm was recently disbanded but their web page will stay up for the rest of the year
http://www.kanotseglarna.se/

[PeterSibley]

Well then, please consider me a comrade in spirit! I may end up with a decked canoe-yawl yet if I decide I need a sleep-aboard beachable cruising boat.

Me ! Tom Dunderdale's Electra 19 is my current front runner .

[Dick Wynne]

Great site, Mr Wynne. Thanks for setting it up. And thanks for including Paul Gartside's design #160. Although that's pushing the definition of canoe yawl, Wenda and Rozinante were the inspiration for her development.

Pushing the envlope, that's us Dave. In answer to your email re the header photo, I will add captions to these when I get a moment.




The one coming at you in the grey sea is Emerald, to Strange's design 112, the same as his own Cherub III. She lives on the Scottish Isle of Bute. More on her on the ASA site here. A really lovely and businesslike boat.

The others header pictures are:

Paul Gartsides #160 40ft yawl, currently building for Dave Lesser
Holmes' Daisy on the Zuider Zee (original mono reproduction overpainted by my friend Tony Watts of the HYC)
A Eun Mara (red) by Oughtred
Holmes' Eel towing dinghy
Holmes' Yum-Yum with the two guys in caps
A Holmes Ethel built 1992 by Dick Philips at a college in Falmouth
Bolger's Nord Vinden
Bunny my David Moss 15-footer shortly before a capsize in 2002 on Loch Ness in the Great Glen Raid
(see "Two Years Between the Masts" in Me & My Boat on the CYA forum)
and my own Constance to AS #45 Wenda

[PeterSibley]

I've just registered Dick .

[Dick Wynne]

I've just registered Dick .

After due consideration and taking up references, you're in !

[PeterSibley]

Thank you sir !

[Dick Wynne]

Me ! Tom Dunderdale's Electra 19 is my current front runner .

19ft? That would be a lot of CY, did you mean 15ft 10in, Peter ? What a lovely-looking design though.

[SBrookman]

Dick, great looking site, thanks for organizing and publishing it. I just registered as "Trout." I've been stuffing a favorites folder for years with CY sites. Yours on Constance Building really was a favorite. Having all things CY on one site will be nice, only downside could be the possible confusion of using the acronym CYA. ;-)
Do you think if Mr. Gartside or Vivier stick a mizzen on the Sjogin design it could qualify as a CY?

[Russ Manheimer]

Steve,

I've often thought that Sjogin would look great with a gaff yawl rig, bowsprit, jib and staysail. I think RodB asked Paul Gartside if he could draw such a rig as an option. She's very handy as she is now but it would be nice to have more strings to play with.

Neat site Dick. Hope to see you and Thad in Brooklin. Let me know when you get in.

Russ

[PeterSibley]

19ft? That would be a lot of CY, did you mean 15ft 10in, Peter ? What a lovely-looking design though.

Tom is offering lines and offsets but no construction plan for a 19 foot version of Electra . She sounds as if she would make very good camp cruiser !

[Duncan Gibbs]

Dick,

I've tried posting to the forum but none of the scripts are active on my Mac (G4 running OS10.4). It works on my PC (running XP Pro) though.

[Dick Wynne]

Dick,

I've tried posting to the forum but none of the scripts are active on my Mac (G4 running OS10.4). It works on my PC (running XP Pro) though.

Oh dear, I'll look into it, but I'm away for 2 weeks shortly, so it'll have to wait till I'm back. I also notice the forum occasionally displays some weird code instead of the normal text on the headings describing the reader's current location. This may be on Google Chrome browser only, I haven't noticed it on IE.

[Dick Wynne]

Dick, great looking site, thanks for organizing and publishing it. I just registered as "Trout." I've been stuffing a favorites folder for years with CY sites. Yours on Constance Building really was a favorite. Having all things CY on one site will be nice, only downside could be the possible confusion of using the acronym CYA. ;-)
Do you think if Mr. Gartside or Vivier stick a mizzen on the Sjogin design it could qualify as a CY?

Thanks Steve,

Having Constance built was as much fun as sailing her is now. Before long our outfit will surely be the first thing "CYA" brings to the world's mind.

Better qualified people than me should rule on the Sjogin / CY question, but sticking a mizzen on would likely require the main mast moving forward, is my guess.

[PeterSibley]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dickw/sets/165297/

Wow , what a beautiful job !!! I really like the colour too .