2 man surf boat ?

[jbelow]

Any good designs for a 2 man surf boat or should I stick to the plastic kayaks that all the locals use.

[Peerie Maa]

One of these Sea Brights

[James McMullen]

Did jbelow really just post something not in the bilge? I am stunned and bewildered. Who are you really, "jbelow"?

Computer must have been left logged on or something.



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[Glen Longino]

Damn near swallowed my upper dental bridge!
What are your plans for that boat, Jay? Fishing? Riding the surf?
How about a wood kayak or double-paddle canoe?

[James McMullen]

Okay. . .this is just too funny! I was curious because I couldn't remember jbelow ever having anything whatsoever to say about wood or boats or wooden boats in the entire time I've been on this forum, so I just looked back through his post archive and I had to scroll all the way back to August 2008 before I found a single boat topic--and that one was about the carnival-ride boats that run on a submerged track!

But I'd really love to encourage your newfound interest in boats, j, so tell us, just what kind of surf are we talking about here?

[Glen Longino]

Given where jbelow lives, I suspect he has a lifelong association with boats of some kind, probably for fishing and recreation.
Maybe this is our chance to get his mind off Democrats and Sinners and rehab that scamp.

[Peerie Maa]

Softly, softly.
All of this noise will spook him.

[htom]

Look in John Gardner's The Dory Book; there are several likely candidates there.

[waynec]

How about a Malibu Outrigger?

A short history of the Malibu Outrigger by Dana Sandiego

(↑ click-able link to the article ↑)

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[Daniel Noyes]

Look in John Gardner's The Dory Book; there are several likely candidates there.

Agreed.

there's the obvious surf dory, the gunning dory would also serve nearly well with a little better all around rowing ability (less windage)
Also boats built to the Coast Guard Bank dory model from the dory book have been used by life guards at Long Beach Ca. since the 1930's +- and performed well, they are rowed with the forward station sitting and the aft station standing facing forward to steer and keep visual on troubled swimmer.

[Glen Longino]

"...no substitute for wood."

I agree!
Wish I could offer suggestions for a design but all my experience is with wood kayaks, fairly useless for fishing.
Good luck finding a plan you want to build. Pics please!

[seanz]

This thread might be of help.

Suggestions for a small off the beach sailing/fishing boat

Well, it'll be worth a look anyhow.

[holzbt]

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...ORY-free-frame

[keyhavenpotterer]

Paul Gartside Surf boat design # 154. Maybe a bit bigger than you were thinking.

http://www.gartsideboats.com/catrow2.php#154

There's pictures of one completed.

http://www.gartsideboats.com/surf_dory.php


In the UK, historically, the Portland Lerrett was the surf rowing boat and the South Coast, never sailed, were about 20ft I think and very beamy.

On the East Coast the most advanced workboat ever in the UK was the East Coast Coble. Refined for beach landings as its all shallow were on the UK's east coast. They were really clever. All deep forefoot and shallow flat aft sections meant they stayed head to wind at sea when fishing, but close to shore they turned 180 degrees, stern to shore then rowed in (backwards). The deep forefoot now works as a keel and steadies the boat keeping it running straight as the beach approaches. The flat aft section gets it well up the beach and gave rear buoyancy for hauling nets up etc out at sea. The huge tumblehome, enabled them to be rolled back over upright easily if rolled in surf by one man and without putting stress on the gunwales - the stress is put onto the area reinforced internally by the thwarts. They fit them sailing rigs and used a raking rudder forward to give the lateral support.

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

Any good designs for a 2 man surf boat or should I stick to the plastic kayaks that all the locals use.

"2 man surf boat" can mean almost anything depending on what part of the world you are in. If you are talking about going out in surf that can be handled by a sit-on-top fishing kayak you don't need a boat that was designed to handle surf in the Nort Atlantic. And the plastic fishing kayaks are going out using muscle power. Do you want to limit your choices to paddles or oars, too?
You may disdain rotomolded plastic fishing kayaks but rotomolding is the ideal way to produce such boats. Rotomolding can produce bottom shapes that are absolutely impossible with any other method. The better boats are so stabile you can pull a 100 tuna out of the water without tipping. And when they are producing those very special bottoms they are simultaneously molding a top with a seat, a footwell, a baitbox, a beer cooler, rod holders, and a place for a plastic storage crate for any other junk you wish to take along.

[Hal Forsen]

You may disdain rotomolded plastic fishing kayaks but rotomolding is the ideal way to produce such boats. Rotomolding can produce bottom shapes that are absolutely impossible with any other method. The better boats are so stabile you can pull a 100 tuna out of the water without tipping. And when they are producing those very special bottoms they are simultaneously molding a top with a seat, a footwell, a baitbox, a beer cooler, rod holders, and a place for a plastic storage crate for any other junk you wish to take along

I love Wood boats but Chuck's right about the stability of the plastic boats.
I landed a 150 lb, thresher from a 'yak and know a couple guys who have landed marlin.
BTW, the Hobie Mirage Drive is an excellent mode of propulsion; especially for fisherman.

[Glen Longino]

I suspect jbelow wants an outboard on his boat, but I could be wrong.
Maybe he'll come back and be more specific.

[Dan St Gean]

Outrigger canoes are a traditional choice for both fishing and surf landings in about 1/2 of the world. Check out Gary Dierking's designs for some inspiration.

Dan

[Daniel Noyes]

OH wow guys this is news to me!
I didnt know a roto moulded surf ski was a more capable fishing boat than a Banks dory...
several 300lb + halibut any one?
a bottom full of 3-500 lb swordfish?... any takers... it's gonna get pretty cramped in the kayak.

Un fortunately we dont know what fishing is any more, we don't have any fish left, really pretty sad, though the Striped Bass are coming back here in Newengland with a vengance, bigger and more of them.

[bucheron]

Nobody seems to be mentioning the self-draining Lifeguard dory. Like this.



I like the self-draining feature. I have seen other pictures on the web showing many more scuppers than this one has.

A similar boat could easily be built of plywood.

This one is punching thru a wave which is hiding another boat.



Well, it's not lifting as much.

[sailboy3]

I'm just waiting for the BAM in the first photo.

Might want to take a look at Pete Culler's Race Point Surf Boat. There's an article about it in Pete Culler on Wooden Boats.