H28 "Larrikin" rebuild

[skuthorp]

I hadn't given much thought to putting a coin under the mast step. Maybe I should see what I have.

What year were you born Gary, I have a box of pennies and halfpennies somewhere.
Greg, I have a 1943 penny under the Mack's mast step, it's my birth year.

[Larks]

What year were you born Gary, I have a box of pennies and halfpennies somewhere.
Greg, I have a 1943 penny under the Mack's mast step, it's my birth year.

1943 was obviously a very good year for exceptional designs.!!!!

[RFNK]

Thanks Rick. Unfortunately I don't have a jointer (other than a biscuit jointer), do you think it would work for cutting the profiles?

I don't really know for sure but if you rigged up a jig I think the jointer would give you a cleaner surface and jointers don't throw up so much dust. But I think what you're doing already looks good, except I agree that it would be better to run the jig along the other side of the blade if you can.

Rick

[The Bigfella]

What year were you born Gary, I have a box of pennies and halfpennies somewhere.
Greg, I have a 1943 penny under the Mack's mast step, it's my birth year.

I was born in 1923 if you've got a h'penny... or 1930 if you've only got pennies

[shade of knucklehead]

Raising the blade shouldn't be a problem. You start with the blade low and cut all your panels at the same time, then raise it, then cut them all again, then raise it. If your saw can be fitted with a dust collector it shouldn't be that bad. Ours is so old there is no chance of fitting one to it. On my homemade router table that I also use to cut raised panels I made a little half circle out of pvc and glued in a vacuum adapter to which I hook a vacuum hose. That works really well. I think the last thing I made with a sideways cut on the table saw was some curved molding for the edge of a customers bar

[johnno]

Love the work on the raised panels by the way Greg...and a really interesting technique. I'll have to practice my table saw skills to be able to match that!

[WX]

What year were you born Gary, I have a box of pennies and halfpennies somewhere.
Greg, I have a 1943 penny under the Mack's mast step, it's my birth year.

1952, I think it was the year Stalin died.

[chas]

"The freehand worked pretty well Chas, but I do agree with you, I'd rather have it a bit more controlled"

Just to clarify my point, Greg, then I'll get out of the way. I freehand many things on the tablesaw, mostly because my tool inventory is slightly undersized, as is the saw itself. I bite off small chunks and allow the saw itself tell me with the whine and the smoke, LOL, when I'm pushing too hard. The method you have used is exactly the one I would recommend for this tablesaw operation.

With due respect for other methods, I would never attempt to freehand from the trailing edge of the blade, anymore. There will be no warning when things go awry. Just my opinion. / Jim

[floatingkiwi]

The freehand worked pretty well Chas, but I do agree with you, I'd rather have it a bit more controlled. My problem with raising the saw in increments is getting the final height exactly right each time. I've been thinking about ways to pack the fence out either side instead and I reckon if I make up two or three roughly 10mm thick spacers the length of the fence they'll do what I was doing freehand but a bit more steadily.

Stephane, I have a recess cut with a spade bit in the mast step ready to take the coin and I'll either bed it in epoxy or a bit of clear silicon, the compression post won't even know it's there.

As for the work on the boat, you are right but I've been doing a few bits and pieces that haven't been worth posting in preparation for bulkheads etc, time consuming fiddly bits such as getting the floors level with each other and making up templates for the bulkheads.

But I've also been quite distracted trying to find some real work to pay for all of this, so have been spending a lot of time on submissions, CV's, chasing up contacts and applications and so on, as well as trying to get as much work done on the house as I can while I can. The reality for us, unfortunately, is that we are having to prepare for the worst work wise and that means trying to get the house to a sellable stage. I built it about 5 years ago and whilst it is perfectly liveable and comfortable, there are a lot of little things that I never quite got around to once we moved in, such as the decorative wall paneling in one of the toilets, trim around the back of the kitchen bench, a few cupboards, some landscaping and so on.

I should add, there is every chance that the job I end up in will take me away from home for quite a while as well, so the work on the house has had to take priority.


The H28 is my sanity bank.

When selling a house, I believe it is important to have those odd things left unfinished here and there. That way people can immerse themselves in the finishing touches they can do themselves, giving it their own feel. Instead of seeing someone else everywhere, it makes it more of a potential home for them.

[Bernadette]

greg, heck! i just read you are selling your home. i rememebr calling in on you when you were building it. you were as pleased as punch to be building and doing a great job. i thought you were going to be in there forever.

[Larks]

greg, heck! i just read you are selling your home. i rememebr calling in on you when you were building it. you were as pleased as punch to be building and doing a great job. i thought you were going to be in there forever.

We still plan to be Bern', but we're really just needing to be very practical and prepared for anything, rather than have the bank turn around and take it from us. So rather than sit on my arse and worry about it I've been doing whatever I can afford to do to in order to get the best price for it should it come to that......which I sincerely hope it doesn't. But better forearmed than ignore the possibility and get screwed over.

There is also now a likelihood that I may end up having to work in Perth so I need to be prepared to be away from home for quite a while as well. I can't count on it though as I've had a few similar contracts look very likely only to be dashed at the last minute by some bureaucratic bugger up.

[PeterSibley]

Not necessarily Bern, it all depends on the work available, if I have read correctly.

edited to add ... A cross post Greg, hope that's OK. We like having you up the road !

[Larks]

Not necessarily Bern, it all depends on the work available, if I have read correctly.

edited to add ... A cross post Greg, hope that's OK. We like having you up the road !

I like being here too Peter, and having just spent three days reorgainsing my shed I'd rather hang around. A Perth job will be a bit tough but I can't afford to be fussy at the moment and there just doesn't seem to be anything much here on the coast.

[JoshuaIII]

Well you know how it is... You throw some varnish and paint and it all look good for selling, just as boat
The average customer only care about the look...

For the coin under the mast step, I can send you a Canadian Toonie if you wish got plenty in my pocket... Would sure make wonder the next person lifting the mast!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toonie

[Larks]

Thanks for the offer Stephane, but I reckon I'll stick with the penny from her year of design.

[Bernadette]

greg
well i do hope you are successful in getting work.
it is tough waiting for the outcomes of applications for different jobs.
i hope it all works out for you. you have a nice home there and a lot of hard work has gone into it.

[Larks]

Thanks Bern', yes, I reckon it's worth the effort of putting up with working so far away from home for a while if it means being able to hang on to it.

[JoshuaIII]

Thanks Bern', yes, I reckon it's worth the effort of putting up with working so far away from home for a while if it means being able to hang on to it.

Bahhh sell the house, finish the boat and let's go cruising!! I give you lat/long of a nice little island in the middle of the pacific, I bring the rhum! When we get bored let sail toward Thailand try their food and looking the womans(I bring the rhum there too!)

I spend more of my life on boat then land, so I have no clue what it is losing a house. But I did lose a boat with all my memories, pictures & all once... It's hard until you realize that it's just material and you already have all what you really need. Publicity & movies make you believe that you needed more and it's a failure losing it...

If you want to talk about it, I can also bring some rhum for it

[PeterSibley]

A friend had his boat catch fire a burn then sink a year ago off Venezuela, a definitive experience.

[8387mike]

Larks,

You will love it over here, H28 racing from South of Perth YC and Royal Perth every Sat or Twilight racing on a Wednesday arvo.

Mike.

PS love the build

[RFNK]

Bahhh sell the house, finish the boat and let's go cruising!! I give you lat/long of a nice little island in the middle of the pacific, I bring the rhum! When we get bored let sail toward Thailand try their food and looking the womans(I bring the rhum there too!)

I spend more of my life on boat then land, so I have no clue what it is losing a house. But I did lose a boat with all my memories, pictures & all once... It's hard until you realize that it's just material and you already have all what you really need. Publicity & movies make you believe that you needed more and it's a failure losing it...

If you want to talk about it, I can also bring some rhum for it

Sounds good to me Stephane! If you can find a way to talk da missus into parting with the 2 !!! houses we're (I'm) currently renovating and going cruising instead then I'll supply gallons of rhum!!!

Rick

[Larks]

Larks,

You will love it over here, H28 racing from South of Perth YC and Royal Perth every Sat or Twilight racing on a Wednesday arvo.

Mike.

PS love the build

Thanks Mike. I do love Perth and I've looked at a few H28's over there, probably the biggest contingent of them Australia, it certainly does have it's benefits.

[andrewpatrol]

G'day Larks, I think it was you asking about solid panel bulkheads wasn't it? If so then on the Classic Boat website there is an article about that very thing. Timing or what!
Andrew

Heres link

http://www.classicboat.co.uk/practic...head-building/

[Larks]

G'day Larks, I think it was you asking about solid panel bulkheads wasn't it? If so then on the Classic Boat website there is an article about that very thing. Timing or what!
Andrew

Heres link

http://www.classicboat.co.uk/practic...head-building/

That is brilliant timing Andrew, I hadn't seen that article! Thanks indeed for the link!

[PeterSibley]

A really good link.

[Duncan Gibbs]

You will love it over here, H28 racing from South of Perth YC and Royal Perth every Sat or Twilight racing on a Wednesday arvo.

Mike, is there an H28 - sloop rigged - still sailing there called Gretel? If so she used to belong to my late Granddad, TR English. This is a shot of him at the helm of Gretel in the early 1970s:

[Larks]

Sadly I'm having to pack Larrikin up to be left alone for the next seven months (at least) while I head 4500km west for work.

I still have her in the bath with only up to about 300mm (12") of salty water in it, it's probably not quite enough to reach the garboard (I can't see inside to see just where it is) but hopefully it's enough to wick up and keep everything that's covered moist and stable enough while I'm away.

It sprung a leak at around that 300mm height when I was setting it up again last time and I've just got too much to organise with the house and getting ready for the trip to have time to repair it. (I'm driving over on Tuesday coming).

I'll be home probably once a month for a couple of days so can keep an eye on the level:





I'll cover her over completely to keep the mud wasps from nesting on my new paint work:






I'd contemplated leaving some water in the bilge as well. The heat in the shed (even during winter here) and the blue tarps would ensure a pretty humid environment inside the hull id I did that, which COULD be a good thing........?????

However, it makes me wonder whether I'd cause two more problems by doing so:

1. Mould/mildew inside the hull, even though I've used a mould inhibiter in the paint. Not a huge problem as I could soon enough clean that up if it did occur.

2. More worrying, possibly an uneven wetting of the above water line timbers that wouldn't be used to it......ie moist and humid inside but dry outside (it gets very dry here in the winter.)

I'm after opinions. Obviously hull timbers experience uneven wetting when in water to no ill effect, am I over thinking this?

[P.L.Lenihan]

Well I'll be damned......... even your air flows and twirls backwards! I would never have believed it had I not seen it here with my own eyes! I'm gobsmacked!

[Larks]

Well I'll be damned......... even your air flows and twirls backwards! I would never have believed it had I not seen it here with my own eyes! I'm gobsmacked!

And here I was thinking that I was being all scientific with that whole hot air rising thing......

[PeterSibley]

Greg, I'm really not sure about setting up a damp environment in the hull, especially with restricted ventilation, it seems a recipe for rot.

[RFNK]

I agree. Just let it dry out and resume once you're back.

Rick

[johnno]

Greg, howdy! Not sure if you've seen this one...some interiors not quite right but still similar to your ideas I think. I can't get the two relevant interiors to enlarge on my comp but you might have more luck.
cheers
J
http://www.boatsalestas.com.au/boat_...nyalene/112246

Another nice one on that site too....

[Larks]

Greg, howdy! Not sure if you've seen this one...some interiors not quite right but still similar to your ideas I think. I can't get the two relevant interiors to enlarge on my comp but you might have more luck.
cheers
J
http://www.boatsalestas.com.au/boat_...nyalene/112246

Another nice one on that site too....

Thank you John, that is a lovely huon pine H28, as close as I've seen to what I want to achieve with the more open interior:



and a couple of pic's of one of the others on that site with elements that I like:

[RFNK]

Beautiful!

Rick

[PeterSibley]

My ! That's classically lovely .



Really good ventilation too.

[Larks]

Actually, I have a vague recollection of Nyalene featuring on here quite a while ago in the early stages of her restoration.....

edited to add: Yes, I thought so, Malcolm "Tassybear" bought her and was working on her:

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...hlight=nyalene

http://www.telegraphics.com.au/3dgal...g2_itemId=1413

[floatingkiwi]

I believe any opportunity, going where the work is qualifies as a pretty good one, to travel should be relished as an oprtunity to learn, see and experience new things.
Stickin around the same place leaves you with not much more than you could probably already list on paper but travel leaves the possibilitires wide open and endless and if they turn out no good, there is always the option to return to your familiar surroundings.
If ya don't go, you will never know.
I reckon you'll have a blast and make the most of what comes along. You are in control of your own life, do with it what your gut tells ya.
Good luck mate.

[Larks]

Thanks Kerry, all good mate.

[P.L.Lenihan]

WOW Greg! Those handsome interior pictures may be worth their weight in gold, if they allow you to wander far from bed and boat while remaining suitably lit up and truly inspired for your return home.

May good fortune point its' finger at you and declare, "Yoo-hoo.....hey buddy.....over here....I got jobs so far up my wazoo I can barely swallow. I need a full time assistant and you is the one! Name your price while your packing your kit,will ya?"



Cheers!



Peter

[Larks]

WOW Greg! Those handsome interior pictures may be worth their weight in gold, if they allow you to wander far from bed and boat while remaining suitably lit up and truly inspired for your return home.

May good fortune point its' finger at you and declare, "Yoo-hoo.....hey buddy.....over here....I got jobs so far up my wazoo I can barely swallow. I need a full time assistant and you is the one! Name your price while your packing your kit,will ya?"



Cheers!



Peter

Thanks Peter, here's hoping!!!

[euro]

Just grind her off Greg and the coin will look just right. The sole looks great but I'd have used the Hebridean bowsaw.

Rick

Deface a coin of the realm?

Bloody lucky if you're only hung and drawn for that.

[euro]

Catching up with threads here - Greg, I didn't think you could surpass yourself, but from the looks of it you have. Work of art - hope you're back to her soon.

I'm going to hunt backwards and find the latest progress report on the keel bath.

P

[floatingkiwi]

Deface a coin of the realm?

Bloody lucky if you're only hung and drawn for that.

Hung and drawn for a quarter? Good one mate.

[Larks]

Catching up with threads here - Greg, I didn't think you could surpass yourself, but from the looks of it you have. Work of art - hope you're back to her soon.

I'm going to hunt backwards and find the latest progress report on the keel bath.

P

Thanks Peter, meanwhile I'm sure I'll be able to satisfy my restoration hunger watching you get stuck into yours!!!!....???

[auscruisertom]

[QUOTE=Larks;3541400]Actually, I have a vague recollection of Nyalene featuring on here quite a while ago in the early stages of her restoration.....

edited to add: Yes, I thought so, Malcolm "Tassybear" bought her and was working on her:

Hey Greg Hard to believe you guys had all that info at your fingertips I just had a quick look at Nyalene while in Hobart,and despite the assurances of the broker about her restoration ,no documented evidence was provided. I just tracked down the present owner Mrs Twain and requested a list of work carried out .She has a very good feel surprisingly stiff for her size,altough did find some dry rot in the stern and a seeping Starboard frame,along with some deck leaks. If you need annyone to help out at your place while in Perth just let me know . Cheers Tom

[Larks]

[QUOTE=auscruisertom;3640964]

Actually, I have a vague recollection of Nyalene featuring on here quite a while ago in the early stages of her restoration.....

edited to add: Yes, I thought so, Malcolm "Tassybear" bought her and was working on her:

Hey Greg Hard to believe you guys had all that info at your fingertips I just had a quick look at Nyalene while in Hobart,and despite the assurances of the broker about her restoration ,no documented evidence was provided. I just tracked down the present owner Mrs Twain and requested a list of work carried out .She has a very good feel surprisingly stiff for her size,altough did find some dry rot in the stern and a seeping Starboard frame,along with some deck leaks. If you need annyone to help out at your place while in Perth just let me know . Cheers Tom

Nice to hear from you Tom, and thanks for the offer mate, that is very kind of you. Are you going to join us in Hobart this coming festival?
Any further plans with Nyalene on your part?

[auscruisertom]

[QUOTE=Larks;3641411][QUOTE=auscruisertom;3640964]

Nice to hear from you Tom, and thanks for the offer mate, that is very kind of you. Are you going to join us in Hobart this coming festival?
Any further plans with Nyalene on your part?[/QUOTE


Wouldn"t miss it for annything,this time I planned ahead and managed to get the cheaper air fares, and also upgraded our accomadation from last years hostel.
Regarding Nyalene I'm awaiting the info on what work was performed during her last restoration. If we manage to agree on a price I will have to rectify the stern ,since the backstay is fastend to the top plank. Probably look at sailing her back here during the next school holidays. Also if annyone has anny additional info on Nyalene I sure would like to hear about it . Because 1953 was a good year after all. Cheers Tom

[JoshuaIII]

Bump....

[Larks]

Bump....

Thanks Stephane. Unfortunately though, I am working about as far away from home as I can be and still be in the same country (just south of Perth, Western Australia), so she's sitting at home in her bath under a tarp inside the shed waiting patiently for me to return and get back into her.

It's looking very much like my contract is going to be extended here for another 12 months so I'm planning on bringing a few tools back with me, once I know that the contract is signed, and see if I can come up with a few projects that will go into her but which I can fit into my vehicle when I eventually drive home, such as a new tiller, butterfly hatch, chart table, whisky box......anything else that I can think of but which I can do over here (I'm open for any suggestions.....)

It will also mean trying to get some of my timber shipped over here, but my thought is to make up some templates here and take them home and cut as much out as I can on the table and band saws over my weekends home to bring back here in a suitcase and refine and put together.

[RFNK]

I suggest a dinghy.

Rick