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    Another lamp will go here as well. Might go on the corner post.

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    Good for you Greg .
    I like my aft facing porthole I generally keep it open year round for better cross ventilation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Indeed Greg, You hit the jackpot with those port lights! "Bright Star" does not have any port lights or dead lights in the after bulkhead at the end of the deck house facing aft. I kind of like that as I plan to mount an oil lamp in that area on each side of that area to light up the galley. I think that not having a fixed dead light or port light is a better way to go as light from the cabin can be controled at night by closing the doors on the deck house so as to allow the helmsman not to have his night vision affected by light from a light source shining aft. But, if you do want the port light in the galley, you can always rig for red with the cabin lights and save night vision.
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    Stove will go here and plotting will be done on the saloon table. Lamp on builkhead.
    Thanks Jay, I have a whacky of idea of fitting my stove to drawer runners that would allow it to stow away through the aft bulkhead, one side or the other, back under one of the cockpit seats to slide out over either the chart table or beside the galley sink. I plan to build myself a nice and functional chart table/nav centre, though it’s a plan certainly not fully formed yet and I’ll need to mock it up before building it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Good for you Greg .
    I like my aft facing porthole I generally keep it open year round for better cross ventilation.
    Thanks Tom, nice to know and to keep in mind when I decide. I’ve sailed a yacht that had a similar setup and it was a nice thing to have in the tropics with the washboards closed in the rain. Though I also plan a slightly wider cockpit hatch than per LFH’s plans specifically for tropical Queensland weather so the hatch may not fit anyway.....and I'll of course have a decent boom tent for that same Queensland weather........
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    Hi Larks your mention of ventilation in the Tropics brought to mind a very effective item known as a "wind Sail" The term is a bit obscure and I don't know who first invented it although Olin Stephens comes to mind. I think it was first used on his famous yawl "Dorade".
    Regardless of who did it, this is one item that really works and keeps a boat well ventelated when at anchor.

    This is a round or square tube of canvas that fits over the fore hatch that has a closed top but an open mouth on the side that faces the wind. It is held upright by a halyard. It contains a pair of staggered canvas baffles that slant downward on the outer sides and have drain holes in case of rain; Kind of like a "Dorade" ventilator box. The tube bottom is shaped to fit over the fore hatch frame and can be kept in place with a bungee cord around it. The hole works folds or rolls up and can be stored in a sail bag. In hot weather this device keeps a nice flow of cooling air through the cabin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Hi Larks your mention of ventilation in the Tropics brought to mind a very effective item known as a "wind Sail" The term is a bit obscure and I don't know who first invented it although Olin Stephens comes to mind. I think it was first used on his famous yawl "Dorade".
    Regardless of who did it, this is one item that really works and keeps a boat well ventelated when at anchor.

    This is a round or square tube of canvas that fits over the fore hatch that has a closed top but an open mouth on the side that faces the wind. It is held upright by a halyard. It contains a pair of staggered canvas baffles that slant downward on the outer sides and have drain holes in case of rain; Kind of like a "Dorade" ventilator box. The tube bottom is shaped to fit over the fore hatch frame and can be kept in place with a bungee cord around it. The hole works folds or rolls up and can be stored in a sail bag. In hot weather this device keeps a nice flow of cooling air through the cabin!
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    Thanks Jay, though I must confess that I am very familiar with wind scoops and their versatility and many advantages, having spent so long living in and cruising around the tropics and I have a few of them still from my time living on Pau Hana while cruising up around Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.

    Mine are made from spinnaker cloth and fold down pretty well small enough to fit in your pocket - if you’re in a marina you can hang them at any direction to catch the breeze if you are tied up side on to it or if your hatch opens aft.

    I can thoroughly attest to their sanity saving value, particularly at night, as I can also thoroughly attest to the great value of full cover awnings from stem to stern in the same conditions......ideally with a gutter and fill pipe.
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    Darn, I woke up in the middle of the night remembering that I forgot to add that some strategically placed battens will help the shape to not collapse. I figured you might know about this one. I wouldn't leave port without one!
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    Guys, you may already have heard this story, but I thought it worth bringing to your attention if not: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...tegory=Article

    And here is the later, 33' version, being launched: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...tegory=Article

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    This was a nice re-read.
    Larks heres a good reason for the ketch, you have an awesome anchor point for a full set of covers, Did these late last year. feels so much cooler on deck and below. Plus no more rain and dew on the decks (well 95% of them)
    I was doing some work on my motor at midday in the middle of summer (the hottest on record now....) and didn't raise a sweet.
    We get a lot of breeze through with the sperate lower foredeck cover. having that one lower also stops any sideways rain from going down the front hatch.
    I can't wait to try it out at anchor as I hope it will help feather the boat into the wind.
    The sides roll up and the whole thing can be raised up using the main and mizzen halyard to give some more headroom (I'm 6ft6inc)

    I've got another one to make, the same for another H28 in our marina.

    [IMG][/IMG]

    This picture shows how it goes right over the cockpit and the back deck. (Behind the cat)

    [IMG][/IMG]

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    Nice covers. But I kind of hate covers. Such a bugger to get on and off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    Guys, you may already have heard this story, but I thought it worth bringing to your attention if not: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...tegory=Article

    And here is the later, 33' version, being launched: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...tegory=Article
    I had a look over Marloo a number of years ago when she was for sale down in Gipsland. She seemed to have been been looked after quite well at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by James Chilman View Post
    This was a nice re-read.
    Larks heres a good reason for the ketch, you have an awesome anchor point for a full set of covers, Did these late last year. feels so much cooler on deck and below. Plus no more rain and dew on the decks (well 95% of them)
    I was doing some work on my motor at midday in the middle of summer (the hottest on record now....) and didn't raise a sweet.
    We get a lot of breeze through with the sperate lower foredeck cover. having that one lower also stops any sideways rain from going down the front hatch.
    I can't wait to try it out at anchor as I hope it will help feather the boat into the wind.
    The sides roll up and the whole thing can be raised up using the main and mizzen halyard to give some more headroom (I'm 6ft6inc)

    I've got another one to make, the same for another H28 in our marina.

    [IMG][/IMG]

    This picture shows how it goes right over the cockpit and the back deck. (Behind the cat)

    [IMG][/IMG]
    Thanks James and very nice covers indeed - I am a fan of a decent set of covers, particularly up in the tropics. I had a pair of covers that ran from bow to stern on Pau Hana (a 40’ sloop) when I was sailing up around Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and they were the best thing for the conditions. I was able to keep all hatches open and air flowing through the boat in heavy downpours of rain or shine and it would have been very uncomfortable without them.

    And I agree that there are many reasons to rig the H28 as a ketch, though sadly chucking away an almost new aluminium mast, boom and rigging and a set of sails to suit them and then spending the extra on a whole new rig and full suit of sails isn’t one of them.
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    Small news with nothing “solid” to show but reasonably significant on the $$$ and commitment side - ‘paid for this yesterday so need to get my arse home and fit it........hoping to finish my contracting work by Christmas so that I can get stuck into the boat rebuild full time and get her wet!!!
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    What model is that Larks?




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    I have been trying to decide on Beta or Yanmar. I need 35-40hp. So far, Beta has won. I'm interested in model and cost if you don't mind sharing.
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    It’s the 3YM20.

    Ben, I’m in Oz so prices won’t relate for you but if you’re interested in my engine comparison spreadsheet that has the prices for all of the engines that I looked at PM me your email and I’ll send it through
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    Wow! That's 2 years already!! You must be excited. Look forward to seeing Larrikin back in her natural habitat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    It’s the 3YM20.

    Ben, I’m in Oz so prices won’t relate for you but if you’re interested in my engine comparison spreadsheet that has the prices for all of the engines that I looked at PM me your email and I’ll send it through
    Oops. I should have known that. Yeah, prices will be way off in comparison.
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    Larks,
    I must apologize for not posting the fotos I promised of the engine installation on Bright Star. I got side tracked but will try to do it today!
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    Looking fwd to more of your top class wood hacking Greg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Larks,
    I must apologize for not posting the fotos I promised of the engine installation on Bright Star. I got side tracked but will try to do it today!
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    Thanks Jay, all good but they will be very helpful and very much appreciated

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    Looking fwd to more of your top class wood hacking Greg
    Thanks Andrew - thinking about the H28 and planning to get back into the rebuild is keeping my thoughts occupied at the moment. I’m planning on finishing up in Canberra second week of Feb (after a week long advanced blacksmithing course at Tharwa Forge while I will still have the opportunity ) and will then work full time on finishing the H28 until done.....aside from a couple of months doing a lap around the UK/Ireland from May to July...
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    all those years working away you must be looking forward to resuming a normal home life.
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    Looking forward to seeing her under sail.,and if you finish her by next spring you might be interested in attending the inaugural Tweed Vintage Boat Festival taken over by our TVSC catering both for power and sail. There is also another 1949 H28 down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    all those years working away you must be looking forward to resuming a normal home life.
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    Looking forward to seeing her under sail.,and if you finish her by next spring you might be interested in attending the inaugural Tweed Vintage Boat Festival taken over by our TVSC catering both for power and sail. There is also another 1949 H28 down here.

    That sounds like a good target to work towards Tom. And yes I really am looking forward to being back at home, but as for a normal life? I’m not sure that I’m really cut out for “normal” - whatever that is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    And yes I really am looking forward to being back at home, but as for a normal life? I’m not sure that I’m really cut out for “normal” - whatever that is....

    Ha ha Looking at these poor buggers that commute 2-3 hours between the GC and Brisbane every day, so by my definition that is not normal either considering my travel time to work is 4 minutes .

    Achieving the goal of working from home would have be the ultimate goal though .

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    Thanks for the photos Jay - I’ve dragged them into my H28 thread so that I can find them again more easily.

    Don’t worry about the measurements as my prop' is centre mounted and it’s a Yanmar engine, but those photos are just exactly what I was after and that arrangement will still work for me with the centre mounted shaft and prop'. To be honest it’s pretty much what I was hoping to see to justify doing much the same, though I have some 316 SS angle and plate that I might use instead of mild steel.











    My old arrangement:

    measurements of old frame 3.jpg

    measurements of old frame 2.jpg
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    I was hoping that the pictures might be of some use to you Larks. I am pleased that they are. If I were to start from scratch I would have built bronze and wooden engine bearers rather than the galvanized steel that was put in by a former owner. I think that you are in the place to do it as it should be and it might be wise for you to consider bronze for yours. I am always leery of dissimilar metals being in close proximity in a salt water boat! One thing that the steel reinforcing did was to crack a few frames but I don't feel it is too critical as the frames and planking are supported by the steel in that area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    I was hoping that the pictures might be of some use to you Larks. I am pleased that they are. If I were to start from scratch I would have built bronze and wooden engine bearers rather than the galvanized steel that was put in by a former owner. I think that you are in the place to do it as it should be and it might be wise for you to consider bronze for yours. I am always leery of dissimilar metals being in close proximity in a salt water boat! One thing that the steel reinforcing did was to crack a few frames but I don't feel it is too critical as the frames and planking are supported by the steel in that area.
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    I hear what you’re saying about dissimilar metals Jay and I’ll price up the job in Bronze. I’ve also been thinking about the floors throughout and whether I can afford to copy your bronze floor arrangement so this would be an extension of that job. But to be realistic it’ll boil down to cost and not overcapitalising - it’d be easy to go too far - I think I have enough 316 SS angle and plate to do the job already and I've been thinking of buying myself a plasma cutter for "life after contracting” when I start working for myself from home.
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    If it is not too spendy Larks, I think avoiding steel is a good choice. I would have made up a set of floors of cast bronze had I the time to do the job right. Even so, it was a simple job to make up the adapter plates and saved a lot of time. But, two weeks on the hard cost us a lot of lay days! Due to finding a bad plank we were forced to hang a couple of new ones. Maybe the engine installation was a good thing as we would not have found the soft plank behind the old ice box we could have been in a world of hurt some Tuesday next week or thereabouts!
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    Of course you could also build up your engine bearers out of bronze plate. Also, we were told by the maker of our engine that we would have to change the diameter of the old exhaust flange, through the transom to a larger diameter as well as place a high elbow in the line. The job was easy but I kind of hated having to have a bigger fitting in that lovely transom. The Beta 16 does seem to work a lot freer than the old Universal did I did also consider the Yanmar but the Beta is a lot lighter in weight so we went for it. All in all, we are very pleased with the new mill! Yanmar puts out a very good product as well and I think you will be very happy with it. Here is our old Universal saying by by. It was just plain tired and had a perforated water jacket.
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    Nice engine swap. I do like Kubota engines after running some of their equipment.

    Thanks for the transom shot. I had some questions about how to do my transom up in a way to allow me to varnish it up nicely. That nice paint line on the transom answers one. Does your transom cover the ends of the side planking? It looks like it does but Maybe the paint line is hiding them.
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    Hi Ben,
    The transom was laid in prior to the planking and has a caulk seam which can just be seen in the photo. It is a single course transom rather than being double planked. It is as it was designed by LFH. Some builders will opt for an angle at the transom butts with the topside planking being mitered into it. I have always felt that the mitered seam, in this case, is not as strong as LFH's choice as it is more vulnerable to damage from a bump when pulling into a dock or a dinghy hitting it. However, one must take care when caulking such as seam in order to not drive the planking off the fashion frame. There is a high bend in the exhaust line to prevent sea water from getting slapped into the engine in a following sea. The bilge pump discharge is just above it and slightly to the left in the picture. I hated to change to such a large fitting but it is a match in diameter to the exhaust line and it is backed with a butt block of opposing direction of the grain. The engine warranty would be void had I not done it.
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    Thanks that makes good sense.
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    A bit if "two steps forward one step back” news:

    I’d pulled the pin on the job in Canberra so that I could be home for good with the intention of working full time on Larrikin until she’s launched. To that end I finish up at work here this coming Friday (woohoo - step 1) and will be home for good a fortnight later after doing a specialised Damascus steel blacksmithing course here in Canberra (step 2) and taking my time to drive back home to Queensland......

    However plans for working full time on Larrikin have taken one step back, albeit not a bad one: I must have been doing something right here for the past couple of years as the mob that I’m working for aren’t keen to let me go and have asked if I’d stay on if I can work from home...... at least until mid May when we head off to the UK for a good long break. A bit of a no brainer really, 'same job and rate but without the living away from home expenses and without the personal pain of doing so.

    It’ll mean that progress on Larrikin won’t be anywhere near as rapid as I’d planned/hoped it to be but I’m not complaining.
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    Congratulations on that news. Does not get much better than working from home .

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    That's great Greg. Does Kate still live there?😜

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