Timber Point Sloop

[holzbt]

Hi my boyfriend will be building a tp... love to get a ride to see if i like... we usually go to the afterguard at byc...maybe then??? my boyfriend says " trust me its a good boat" dana

Hi Dana,

Trust him on this one. I doubt there is a person alive today who has sailed as many miles in a Timber Point as Julien, he knows what he's talking about.

My boat's still a mess but I could probably arrange a sail on one of the others for you.

[holzbt]

A pair of TP's at Bay Shore YC probably 1925 or 1926.

[holzbt]

February 1925 YACHTING



May 1925 YACHTING

The May 1925 Yachting article above mentions that five boats went to Galveston, Texas. Below is some info from the Galveston, YC website.

Sterling/Islip Class
In 1925, a fleet of five one design boats arrived on the Bay from the East Coast. Designed by Cox and Stevens, the sloops were built by Greenport Boatyard of New York. The boats were 23 feet over all, with Marconi rig, spinnaker, and combination keel and centerboard. Originally called Islips, the fleet was locally known as the Sterling class, in recognition of future Texas governor Ross Sterling who purchased the boats in New York and shipped them to Galveston Bay where he sold them to his friends and fellow club members in order to promote one design sailing. In 1931, two of the boats were sold to the fledgling Fort Worth Boat Club. Two other boats disappeared into anonymity; however, one Sterling/Islip, Chiquita, originally owned by Sam Streetman sailed on Galveston Bay for decades.

[donald branscom]

Is anyone familiar with a Timber Point Sloop? The boat was the subject of Richard Bode's memoir, *First You Have to Row a Little Boat*. (Good book, I recommend it.) Apparently, the boat was about 23 feet and there were 15-20 made at some point. At any rate, I'd enjoying seeing plans or learning more if anyone knows anything. Thanks.

No photo huh?????

[holzbt]

No photo huh?????

What would you like a photo of? The thread is full of Timber Point sloop photos.

[holzbt]

TP's racing off Bay Shore probably 1925.

[holzbt]

Timber Point #26 in happier times. (Early 1980's)



I'm guessing the sail (#22) was from one of the boats that was cut up.

[sail027li]

Sampawams Creek. Babylon, NY. 7/15/09
Timber Point Wigeon (sail No. 27). 7/25/09Southard's Boatyard. Babylon, NY
Great South Bay

[holzbt]

Note the width of the stbd. garboard seam.



Timber Point #13 a day or two after I bought it. It had been sunk for several weeks and the owner had lost interest. I had to buy it because I was so bothered by it languishing underwater, just the rig was sticking up, but the outline was clearly visible below the surface. I can't remember the details but I think a few of us just used rope and a pair of come alongs to get the deck awash and bailed like crazy with 5 gallon buckets. The travel lift was less than 50 yards away which was convenient. The slip it sank in is the same one #26 is in in the other photos.

[holzbt]

Quite a few years after the above pic's. Supported so the old keel could be removed and the new keel started.

[holzbt]

#27 is getting a new keel this summer.

[holzbt]

[johngsandusky]

Thanks Roger. Your work?

[holzbt]

Karl is doing it himself at Southard's. I'm just helping out when he asks.

[johngsandusky]

Pretty cool. Tell him I said hi.

[davebrown]

Do I recall a short article about ten years ago on the TP in WB? the article I am remembering had photos of two identical hulls, and detailed a daysail with them...But I might be misremembering the boats in the article....

[CWSmith]

Beautiful design and some truly lovely rebuilds. Every photo held my attention. Congratulations to the people who rebuilt these lovely boats.

[holzbt]

Do I recall a short article about ten years ago on the TP in WB? the article I am remembering had photos of two identical hulls, and detailed a daysail with them...But I might be misremembering the boats in the article....

I don't believe these have ever been in WB. You must be remembering a different design.

[sail027li]

Karl is doing it himself at Southard's. I'm just helping out when he asks.

Helping out HUGELY!

[Edward Kauf]

There was an article on the MBO Manhasset Bay One design. They look somewhat similar.

[holzbt]

For close to 30 years I thought my boat was #13. The dacron sail from the 60's and the cotton sail from the 40's or early 50's both have the #13 on them. This 1927 Great South Bay Yacht Racing Association yearbook as well as the 1928, 1930, and 1938 yearbooks all show that #13 was never assigned. By 1928 a few boats hail from Point O'Woods YC and by 1930 they are spreading around the bay a bit.



From RUDDER magazine , March 1925.

[johngsandusky]

A bit of a mystery then Roger. Do you know which number you have? And why would the sails be numbered 13 if the number wasn't assigned? Could that number have been assigned out of sequence? Perhaps a later boat was given 13 at the owner's request. What do you think?

[holzbt]

Now I've no idea what # my boat is. My best guess is that the boat changed hands and ended up at a club that already had that # assigned to another boat. Or maybe someone just thought it would be different to have that #. The #13 has been with my boat I'd guess since the 1940's. Now I need to find more GSBYRA and yacht club yearbooks to try and unravel the mystery. I think the numbers got changed around as the boats passed through the various clubs. Makes it a bit of a challenge to decipher. Too bad all the old timers aren't around to ask anymore.

[johngsandusky]

I hear you. There are family stories about my boat that are not in agreement with official documents. But the builder and original owner have crossed the bar. I have to draw conclusions from available information.

[holzbt]

Timberpoint #9 - 1950's owned by the Madsen's of Bay Shore.

[holzbt]

Bill Madsen sent these and hopefully he will comment a bit on them.

[johngsandusky]

Great Photos!

[sail027li]

Wigeon's (#27) new keel. The white oak had too many flaws, so Roger kept things moving with some longleaf yellow pine that he had recovered from an old (1890's?) building in Brooklyn.
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[samclem]

I've been trying to locate the lines/plans for these boats who was the designer? Everytime I inquire at mystic they tell me they can't find thime.

[Breakaway]

Sam--read the last sentence of post # 2 of this thread. There is clarification there by HOLZBT that may solve your problem.

Kevin

[samclem]

Yup, I complely missed the design and the second name when I read through, perhaps I shouldn't have been working as well.

One other question, for those that have one are you using the new tall rig, or the older one?

[sail027li]

The newer (1937) rig. The original, low aspect rig hasn't been in any boat since the 1950's.

[sail027li]

[QUOTE=samclem;3369696]Yup, I complely missed the design and the second name when I read through, perhaps I shouldn't have been working as well.
It's Cox & Stevens' design #274 in Mystic Seaport's Ships Plans Collection.

[samclem]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my completely newbie questions on this design .

[holzbt]

Karl is still working and has a few more ribs to replace. He should be sailing soon.

[johngsandusky]

Cool.

[holzbt]

Just finished bending in the last few ribs this morning. Time to canvass the deck and reinstall the covering boards and rails.

[sail027li]

Wigeon finally back in her slip.

[Breakaway]

Huzzah!