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    Wonderful........

    Thank you Jenetta Lover for posting above. I am thrilled and fascinated to learn of other Urry designs. What happened to Cambria? Where is she now, are there any photos, and....most interesting to me....are there any drawings around? Have you any information on where the Urry drawings might have ended up? Any living decedents? You also mention "other designs" plural....we are only aware of the cogge ketches and Cresset.....and now Cambria...are there others you know of?

    My information on Jenetta above came from the "Annals" Royal Vancouver Yacht Club, 1903-1965. This is the reason to post this stuff on the internet, to have it corrected by someone who was there! The same book lists Cambria as "30ft B-Class sloop, designed, built, and owned by W.E. (Bill) Cunningham 1948 to date." There is also record of Cambria's numerous wins in the 1950's.

    This is the only photo I have of Jenetta in better days....credited to Neil Stebbins, here she is anchored in Yeatman Bay on Quadra Island. I'll guess that's not your molded dinghy in the foreground.....you can contact me privately if you like...just click on the link at the bottom of this post.....thanks again.

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    Words fail me looking at that series of pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingo View Post
    Indeed there is no chance to save even a piece of the hull. The boat is totally rotten and therefor you have to rebuild rather than restaurate her.
    What would have be better when they lifted her more gentle? Does anyone believe any plank could be saved??? No chance.

    I think it is wonderful that there are people like Oliver Berking who take care even of these total wracks. He had proved he is able to bring new life to rotten twelves.

    It may hurt to see a rotten boat. But this one will be born again.
    I agree completely. From my perspective there was nothing to save but the provenance, the lead and the nameplate. As for the safety factor of the rigging, no comment.

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    Ingo, dear. The word is restore. There is no restaur, or restaurate, but there are restaurants where people go to eat, and they do generally restore people's sense of well-being.

    After eating in one, people feel restored, their good humor may be restored, sometimes, even, their general health is restored, although with all the salt in the food one gets in restaurants, I'm not so sure about that part!

    But boats are restored, or subjected to restoration! Even when all that's left is the keel!
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    When Roger Taylor reprinted his Cogge ketch article in Thirty Classic Boat Designs, he included an introduction that said, among other things, "F. Wavell Urry argued for bringing back the stern cabin to yachts in an article in Sea magazine in 1940 and illustrated it with designs for a 68-foot, deep, narrow Marconi cutter, and a 96-foot seagoing motor yacht, both with stern cabins beautifully incorporated into their then-modern hulls. He even wrote me that he was even thinking of installing a great cabin in a modified stern on his Jenetta!" Seeing Jenetta's photo above, the one of her stern in ever so slightly palmier days, really makes one wonder what sort of modified stern he had in mind. I would love to see the deep narrow cutter as well. In fact, isn't it high time for a WoodenBoat feature article on the Urrys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Kinda wonder why they don't just send the ballast keel and maybe the rudder over and start from scratch...
    Prestige, I guess. Those boats are unique, no two should be built by the same plan. If you are rebuilding practically from scratch you don't want some else to claim that in fact he owns a substantial part of the original boat.

    After some delay that didn't exactly help to preserve the mint condition they are starting with the rebuild this year.

    It is not sold yet but as they are also building another 12mR (Anker 434) they expect synergy effects and estimate that there will be a market when it is ready.

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    are you 'foresail' of foresail tumblr? i love your photo blog, really good stuff
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Me, too.

    I like that 6mR, very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    The stories and connections these boats have is continually amazing.....

    Today I was doing some research reading on the Urry Brothers and their racing cutter Cresset. As some know presently we in Silva Bay are the caretakers of the world's largest collection of Urry Brothers yachts. My 50' cogge Blackfish and the 40' cutter Cresset are both here, Cresset being restored by the owner and my son, and our boat being properly finished out plus restored.

    Anyway.....it turns out that the Urry brothers are responsible for Jenetta being in BC! Apparently Jenetta was laid up during the war and converted for cruising afterward. In 1953 the Urry's were on a visit to the UK when they bought her. In consultation with Robert Clark they converted her to a ketch and did a season of cruising with some local racing in Scotland. They then had her shipped home to Vancouver on the deck of a freighter, were she became the largest sailing yacht in the RVYC for many years.
    I sailed Cresset for a short time back in the fifties and always wondered what happened to her. She was in rough shape back then. Her sails were blown out and both her bottom and decks leaked a lot. What is her conditon now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    I sailed Cresset for a short time back in the fifties and always wondered what happened to her. She was in rough shape back then. Her sails were blown out and both her bottom and decks leaked a lot. What is her conditon now?
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    Pretty well completely rebuilt, Trevor has been working on her since 2009. http://www.cresset.ca/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    are you 'foresail' of foresail tumblr? i love your photo blog, really good stuff
    Yes that's me. Thank you.

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    Default Re: 12-metre restauration: Just a little varnish needed ;-)

    I thought only restaurateurs should restaurate...
    (perhaps the books are cooked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    I thought only restaurateurs should restaurate...
    (perhaps the books are cooked)
    What books?

    The OP is German. The word is a false friend as it is Restaurierung in German,

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    oh dear
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    A plaid hull? Huh? Anyone recognize the tartan?



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    Welcome!
    Any chance there's an English version of that link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Welcome!
    Any chance there's an English version of that link?
    Thanks for having better manners than I Rich! Indeed, welcome aviateam! I'll also add that it's wonderful that she's been launched.
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    Default Re: 12-metre restauration: Just a little varnish needed ;-)

    Referring to the original discussion about rebuilding/restoring it says that one deck beam is original, that's all. And the ballast lead, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    A plaid hull? Huh? Anyone recognize the tartan?



    I was expecting it to be the Mylne tartan, but it doesn't appear to be.

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    Default Re: 12-metre restauration: Just a little varnish needed ;-)

    Would the tartan have been applied as a printed vinyl skin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimConlin View Post
    Would the tartan have been applied as a printed vinyl skin?
    If you can't find a can of tartan paint,you would probably have to use a vinyl wrap.My question is why would anybody want a classic 12 metre to look like this.

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    The Germans seem to love their 'tartans'; there are some truly horrible ones on old VW seats!

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    Yeah, that's the one I thought it would be, but the one they used has red instead of yellow, unless there's something funky about the picture.

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    Getting very dizzy looking at that hull.
    The Mylne tartan is a recent register so I would assume the hull vinyl to be a close match.
    Best to resolve the matter by skiving off to the upcoming 12m Worlds and having a gander.
    Crikey they had better get a rattle on if the are going to make the start though.
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    What's up with those ally (or steel?) frames? Are they copies of original ones, or an innovation?

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    Appear to be alloy so maybe a modern take on original steel ones.

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    60% original. By weight.

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